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10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Yeah no trust me bro doesn’t work.
back your claim that Allen is going off script. Where is the hold package Mr progressional. Ooo wait others also do this a long time professionally.
Heck everyone makes educated guesses in every profession. That is much different than your claim.
I have. You refuse to listen. I've also said it's not "off-script". When he is seeing man coverage he's just picking the match-up he likes best. This has been Diggs the vast majority of times this year. It's no different than taking "the gift" in 3x1 sets. If the defense is playing off to the single side you can ignore the concept progression and throw the 5 yard stop since they're just giving it to you.
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21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
And there is almost no linebacker in the league who is going to hold up when a guard gets his hands on him flush at the second level.
My overall take on Williams is he was better than last week for sure. He is so fast and instinctive at times he has a tendency to get to his spot too early or overrun his gap / drop point in coverage. But I'd much rather be trying to reign that in with a guy with speed, instincts and talent than trying to put AJ Klein out there knowing full well they are spots he just can't get to in time. There is a lot to like in Williams game and as the game slows down for him and as he slows himself down I think you will see a better player. I'd be interested in @HoofHearted or @Buffalo716 opinions on some of his coverage drops because they were the weakness to me last night, especially two of those shorter 3rd down completions Tyrod had where it felt like he almost outran his spot but without having looked at the A22 yet, obviously, I thought he graded pretty well against the run, chasing down plays and attacking the ball carrier.
I know he overran his drop a couple times. I'd have to see the A22 to give a true opinion though. A lot of his faults right now are just eye discipline which will come with reps. I'm encouraged by what I've seen so far. You can't teach his speed and willingness to pull the trigger.
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6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Again so I would like the proof that there is a progression that Allen said ***** it I am going to Diggs. You have that yet?
Guess you just have to trust that a guy who's been doing this professionally for a long time knows what he's talking about 🤷♂️
1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:That specific throw. I feel like corners play differently if there are worried it getting thrown into that hole over there head before safety gets there.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
The Bills rarely run man coverage, I think the two Tryhard hit were not man, but was definitely cover2 safeties
1) I thought you were saying why isn't the vertical passing game in our offense
2) The one on Elam was Cover 1 and the one on Benford was 2 Man
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
Except they do.
Example one Concept could have a Deep to Short Read progression based on the coverage shown, and flip the very next play. So YES they do change play to play defense to defense, script to script. So unless you are in those build meetings you can guess who the 1st read is, but as I said that is a guess. Guessing is fine too. But to say Allen is doing things on his own vs designed n the offense that is where I am calling for the proof. which you have yet to show.
Yeah, coverage plays a huge role in progressions, but again they are all rule based. You're acting like the Bills are running some obscure offense that's never been done before. All of these concepts have been around for forever. They all have set rules and progressions. As a casual fan you could probably find them if you wanted to, but like I said - watch the film.
3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:Two weeks in a row now the opposing team hit lofting the ball to an outside go with. Db draped all over him before safety help gets there.
T-Law hit one to Ridley then Tyrod hit one on each sideline. Why is that not is the Bill arsenal?
It is? We rarely get man coverage to take advantage of it.
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17 minutes ago, Dopey said:
Some of you should listen to "One Bills Live" WGR550. Tasker and whoever his partner is give a good perspective on why Dorsey isn't to blame for that first half. It's ok to blame the players for lack of execution. And that first half was definitely on the players.
Blasphemy! How are we supposed to get Dorsey fired if we acknowledge players mess up?!?!?
2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:Again you cannot say who is the primary read definitively without being in the build meetings. SO you can tell me to watch whatever film you want me to watch unless you are in the build meetings you cannot tell me who is the primary read for a single route, you can assume but that is it.
I mean it's cool if you don't want to believe me, but all concepts have built in reads/progressions. Those don't change based on what team is running them. Football is a game of rules and those rules are tied to the concept.
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13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Are you sure? Because I would need to see the evidence that Diggs is the first read from Allen only, and not the play designed with Diggs as the first read.
Go watch the A22 from last week. We run the same exact play all within the same drive and vs man he stares down diggs and throws the vertical when he got zone he went through his progressions. This isn't anything abnormal. Quarterbacks in the league do this all the time. To be clear I'm not saying this behavior isn't condoned, but it is going against the progression of the concepts.
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31 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Only time I yell at the TV about a play call is a Shotgun handoff in the redzone. I am about done with those. Rest of play calling you would be remised to scream about it at the broadcast angle. wait until the all 22 is out and we will see if the route concepts are producing open routes.
Though I do question the progression build in certain route concepts. Like is Diggs always the first read and everything comes off that?
Diggs is always the first read if Allen sees man coverage. That's Allen doing his own thing.
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2 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:
I've still yet to see him turn around and play a ball this year...
Maybe ever?
Can't recall specifically last year, but this year I've yet to see him to do so, going back to preseason. If he's trailing in coverage, he's probably drawing a flag.
If you're trailing in coverage you're taught not to turn around and play a ball.
How anyone can have an opinion of Elams play as of right now is baffling to me. Without being able to see the A22 and just relying on the broadcast view you all are just making assumptions without any evidence to back them up.
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3 hours ago, Limeaid said:
Each loss someone posts asking what you did which caused the loss (the loss in London was due to the King Josh sign put up by peon of Goodell).
What did you do to help Bills win this game against Bills former OC?
I was late to watching game since I needed to complete another task.
Cheering D-FENCE when offense was on field which was very clear on TV is not one of them.
I corrected people who were certain we ran "shotgun draw" every time we ran the ball out of gun.
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40 minutes ago, Success said:
I thought one of the biggest positives from that ugly game was the LB play.
Both of these guys seemed like they were all over the field, all night. Just flying to where the ball was and making plays. It seems like what we lack in size in the LB unit, we make up for in speed.
I didn't really notice Milano's absence. Williams seemed like a vet out there.
Curious if anyone/everyone saw it the same way I did. There were mistakes, like Bernard's PI in the endzone that almost really cost the team, but overall I thought both guys were excellent.
Both got lost in coverage at times and both were slow to fit the Trap run scheme NY came out of halftime with, but other than that both looked solid on the broadcast. Will wait for the Wide and Tight film to come out before making final judgements.
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2 hours ago, gtw3 said:
Thank goodness you're here to set the record straight.
And it’s all free of charge. You’re welcome!
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4 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Felt like we went more run heavy in the 2nd half, no? With a few absurd throws from Allen mixed in. Our normal rhythm passing offense did almost nothing positive tonight. Nearly every bright spot on offense came from the run game or Allen making magic happen.
Same calls as first half though was my point. We got into no rhythm first half because we couldn’t sustain drives.
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5 minutes ago, Nostradumbass said:
It’s the RPO delayed run handoff concepts as a whole that suck
Not every run out of shotgun is an RPO, and they don’t all suck. We ran Dart with great success the past two weeks out of gun.
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
The original point of my post was that we needed an ADDITIONAL option. Which we haven't had. This year. Or last year.
Should have said that 😉🤣
Im with you though. As far as personnel is concerned it doesn’t take anything special to be successful doing it. Just need to be able to read post-snap leverage. Like I said it already built into the scheme and were already doing it just need one of those guys to built rapport with Allen.
We also allow Allen to disregard his progressions whenever he wants if he sees a matchup he likes. It’s frustrating at times because we’ll have guys running wide open but he’ll be staring down Diggs because he likes the matchup there better.
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Just now, FireChans said:
Are you intentionally being obtuse?
You asked who’s running out option routes from the slot - I provided you the answer. You’re welcome?
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Right, it's not schemed for that player because that player doesn't exist on this roster. They didn't exist on the roster last year, either.
Nothing like depending on a rookie to be a critical part of our offensive passing attack. Can't wait til next year when we are waiting for the next rookie to catch up that's trying to replace Gabe.
Right now that player is Diggs. It’s been Diggs this year and it was Diggs last year.
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5 minutes ago, FireChans said:
On the contrary, we have a slot position player? Who is it?
I was referring to your statement about it needing to be intentionally schemed - not the personnel. The scheme is there.
EDIT: Up to this point it’s been Diggs operating it if you want to talk personnel but eventually Harty/Kincaid will need to fill that role depending on what personnel grouping we want to go with.
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11 minutes ago, FireChans said:
In all seriousness, we need a legitimate, intentionally-schemed, slot position player that can run option routes that Josh trusts.
It is, by far, the biggest problem going with the offense currently. It was the biggest problem last year as well. We have ZERO players in that role. Part of that may be a lack of talent there. Part of may be an unwillingness of Dorsey's to use.
With Diggs and Davis on the boundary, both as deep to intermediate route options, we need a guy running 8-12 yard routes with the freedom to cut up the seam, or curl in on the soft spots in the zone. This offense doesn't have it. They haven't had it since Cole Beasley lost his legs. And Josh desperately needs it.
On the contrary - a large portion of our passing concepts have route conversions built it. It’s why it takes young guys so long to come along and get comfortable in it.
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10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
What I don't understand was the switch from the first half to the second half, it's like Dorsey has this idea of how he wants the offense to work and if ***** doesn't. Then either he changed his mind or someone changed it for him and he started spreading the ball around and it worked.
Players executed the second half. Calls didn’t change in the open field. They were the same concepts we ran in the first.
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9 minutes ago, Wizard said:
5 Things
#1. Dorsey needs a "you suck" st your job with an ultimatum to get more consistent.
#2. Get Mike Evans
#3. Stop the shotgun draw
#4. Utilize Cook and Murray more to change up pace and out of backfield.
#5. If you can't get Mike Evans, then game plan with Kincaid in mind or find confidence in a receiver not named Diggs who Allen stares at the whole time.
Bonus: Davis, Knox, Sherfield, and Harty should not be in next year's plans if at all possible.
Didn’t run a single draw all night.
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10 minutes ago, Einstein said:
Speaking only of this game…
We run the most amount of play action in the NFL and the Giants called our bluff the entire first half.
The LB’s we’re not biting on the play-action at all (they weren’t even moving). Thats why the running attack was so successful when we finally ran it (when the linebackers aren’t crashing the gaps, you can run nearly at will).
It was a scenario where the Giants were begging us to run the ball but Dorsey didn’t figure it out until the second half.
We didn’t sustain drives the first half. Can’t establish anything when you’re not sustaining drives. Giants also blitzed us early to take away the run along with the play action when we were under center.
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3 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:
NBC showed a stat line for Elam near the end of the 3rd quarter or early 4th, cant exactly remember. it wasnt good though. targeted 8 times, gave up 6 catches for nearly 100 yards. im not an Elam hater, but this was against Tyrod Taylor of all people with a Giants offensive line that was mostly terrible. mbe the all22 shows more, that he didnt play badly, but that stat line looks terrible.
That’s what he was credited with last week against the Jags.
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12 minutes ago, cgg716 said:
He was actually able to adjust at least. Something mcd has never done
We didn’t adjust a thing from a play call standpoint. Ran the same exact plays in the open field as we did in the first half. Players just executed the second half.
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