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That would induce a lot of drug and alcohol abuse.

The pressure on the Eagles apparently is the cap. We've been told the Eagles are over the cap and they hae to get under. So they have to move Foles or someone else.

I'm just basing it on the rumors from a week ago. The rumor was the Bills offered a second and the Eagles wanted a first and fourth. Obviously, it doesn't make sense to give up more than is necessary, but the Eagles are in the driver's seat. So long as they have some way to get under the cap, they can wait out the Bills. The Bills MUST know whether they have Foles by draft day, and the Eagles can wait that long.

I don't believe the Bills are going to camp without a decent veteran, and Foles is by far the best veteran left. So from that point of view it makes some sense to me. Not sure why they had to trade up with Glenn. Why not just trade Glenn for Cincy's second, then give the Eagles 21 for Foles. Unless the plan always was to get Smith or another MLB. I also don't see why they have to wait until 4 pm to announce it.

I tend to agree with you, at this point. I think the right move was to get someone with experience and potential. There's not much potential in the market now. If it had been me, I would have spent some money on Keenum. I would have spent a lot on Cousins. These guys seem to be rolling the dice.

Yup. Say they get Rosen and start Peterman because he's better in camp. Say Peterman sucks in September. Okay, in comes Rosen, and he really isn't ready. He sucks, too. Bills are 1-8 in November. Cousins Keenum and Mayfield (whom the Bills passed on to take Rosen) or even Taylor are having good years. You think the fans won't be berserk? You think the Pegulas will continue to have total confidence in McBeane? I don't.

I'd like to think you're correct but I don't think you are. Some teams like the Giants and Broncos know they don't have a long term answer, so they'll take a QB. And if they really don't want a qb, they'll trade down with someone who does want a qb. The Bengals did that already. There's no way only one qb comes off the board in the first 11 picks. No way. Q

Thanks Rush. I don't agree with that plan, but it's plausible. I don't agree with it because I don't think anyone knows how to "develop" a qb. They do develop, but I don't think anyone develops them. There's no qb school that's the equivalent of Harvard. So going into 2018 with a true journeyman like Moore and a couple of youngsters seems risky. Why not play 2018 with a qb who has some promise, like Keenum? Moore has a career passer rating of 81. That's EJ Manuel territory. If he were a good qb, he wouldn't have been horrible for the Dolphins in 2017. Keenum, on the other hand, has been growing as a qb - he's been getting better. He give the Bills a real chance to win in 2018, and could even become a star. The downside to Keenum was cost. Bur the Bills had enough cap room to do it, and he wouldn't have eaten cap beyond 2019 if the Bills wanted to drop him. I don't like going into 2017 naked. I think McD believes in Peterman.

Thanks. I don't get it at all. This seems reckless. I expected a little patience, recognition that there a building process going n I. And also recognition that some QB might grow into a real stsr, like Cousins, Keenum or Foles. This seems like a crap shoot on an untested rookie. The only other explanation is that McD really likes Peterman and that his one NFL outing was aberrational. Maybe McD thinks Peterman will be as good as McCarron, which is the bare minimum the Bills need.

What? What is is this?

Problem is with Bradford theres a good chance your rookie playing on day 2.

Both of these guys have the speed that McD's defense requires. Get one of them, draft an MLB high and bring Kyle back. Bills will have a MUCH better defense. I've been wrong about everything, but I'm sure McD wants to replace Preston. Too slow.

I think you have to draft linebackers. You get an occasional Lomax but generally your stars come out of the draft. Having said that, I like the idea of bringing Bradham back.

This guy covering Carolina estimated it would take 4 years $40 million. https://www.catscratchreader.com/2018/3/5/17075718/is-nfl-carolina-panthers-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-worth-4-years-40-million

I agree. So maybe the plan is to use next year's first to package with the 12th to move up for a qb, then get the MLB at 22. Then get a guard center in the second round. And maybe a tackle. Whatever. It's amazing to see the team being reshaped like this.

I think this correct. I saw something that said he was looking for four years at $40 million, so your 8-9 is a little low but in the ball park. By the way, buying these guys after a down year is smart. It keeps the price down a bit.

All last season I said McD would be going after his next Keuchle, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is what they're doing. But if they moved up to 13 to take Smith or the VT linebacker, what do they do at qb? Is Cousins still in play?.

I like this a lot. I don't know NFL talent, and I'm unfamiliar with Star. So why do I like him? McBeane like him. They know him and like him. He played for McD and his play was excellent. His stats dropped off last season, which was the one season he didn't play for McD. He must like McD to have decided to come to Buffalo. He's first round talent, and there's no substitute for talent. Linemen tend to last a long time, so he could be a fixture for five years or more. This may help bring Kyle back. It means Kyle doesn't have to carry the inside. Star seems to be more of a space eater, which frees up Kyle to do what he does best - slash. I think Kyle retires or returns to Buffalo, and this will help him decide to return. This also means Cousins is out. Bills are spending the cap elsewhere. Looks like Bradford and a rookie.

Anything's possible. Beane's got a vision and he ain't afraid to go for it. Of course, as Badlands pointed out an hour ago, maybe Beane is a total lunatic off his medication. Who knows what's next? Wednesday is going to be very interesting.

I agree with you. I was just spitballing. I don't think you make this move unless there's someone you really want, and if there's someone you really want you can't sit at 12 and hope he's falling to you. I think the Bills will be moving again, but the next move might not be until sometime within 48 hours of the draft. Beane is fearless. And I assume McDermott is on board with him. It's amazing to watch.

Yeah, but if you were going after Cousins, you'd rather have more picks, not fewer. If they thought they'd get Cousins, why not give Cordy to Cincy for their second and then have SIX picks in the top 65? I think this signals that they have a QB in the draft that they really want.

Let's wait two days and see if the Bills sign Keenum. If they do, they probably aren't using #12 on a QB. They might even trade back out of 12 for a later first and a second. Watching Bean these past few weeks, I'm not going to be surprised at anything.

I don't think you trade up if you're going to sign Cousins. If you're getting Cousins, you want to add a lot of talent, not one guy at pick number 12. I'd rather have the 21 and 22 and get two good players. I think this trade means the Bills sign a journeyman, bridge QB, because this looks like they're going after their QB of the future in the draft.

That's great! In the next two days there are four more trades. Shady and Hughes and Benjamin and White are all gone, and the Bills have twelve picks in the first round. The Pegulas have Beane carted off in a straight-jacket!

I know, but from RIchie's perspective, Dawkins is just a kid. And there'll be a kid on the other side. I'm not complaining. I assume they got decent value for him, and I think the move means they were happy with Dawkins. Plus, I love the assertiveness. These guys have a plan and they are goin after it. When Whaley inked someone, maybe Hughes, he said he was happy because the Bills had their six key players. He said you can afford to pay six guys big salaries, and the Bills had their six. Well, Gilmore, Dareus, Taylor and Watkins are GONE. So much for his key players.