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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah it's ridiculous but apparently we have a lot of finish-line fans who want to win a SB immediately so they can hurry up and die.
The Chiefs obsession is annoying but Chiefs fans have been there with the Broncos as Denver was reaching 8 SB's and winning 3 since KC had last been to one. I'll never forget when a half dead Peyton Manning beat KC in KC in the closing seconds(on the way to another SB) in his last season. Before that Elway was totally in Chiefs fans heads.
The Bills all-timer is still the hate for the Dolphins from the 1970's thru the early 2000's. Because there was an actual rivalry there with divisional races and playoff matchups etc.. The New England domination was much greater but it's only second because there was no rivalry. Buffalo never even won a meaningful game in the regular season against NE with Brady there, let alone a playoff game. KC obsession is newer but gaining fast because there is an actual rivalry with lot's of regular season wins and narrow playoff losses.
Most of the obsessing is just based in ignorance. They can't really understand why the team keeps losing so they think it's something bigger and means more than it does. After a nearly 50 year stretch of KC being the only team in the AFC West to not play in a Super Bowl they get Patrick Mahomes and all of a sudden all KC fans can see it maybe wasn't a curse or conspiracy or some inherent organizational flaw after all.
The Fitz/Fred Jackson/4 INT game!
That game was the most exciting moment in 2 decades for me as a fan.
But, otherwise, the bolded is sadly correct.
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10 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
Are you saying that the narrative about McDermott wouldn't be vastly different if a couple plays/decisions were reversed?
And no, I don't think Allen walked into the perfect circumstances. But that doesn't mean he'd have won as much or more as Mahomes if the roles were reversed, as many claim.
I 100% believe Allen would be as successful as Mahomes if he was playing for KC. If not more..
What now?
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2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
As opposed to the people who judge him based on one or two decisions from a few games?
Who does that?
You're on a board of fans that have had a chance to watch everything McDermott has done.
To make a blanket conclusion about him because he backed into the playoffs one year w/ Tyrod Taylor? Not very scientific. I mean, what's your premise? Allen & Mahomes have had equal circumstances every step of the way, so obviously Mahomes is way better based on results?
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Just now, SaulGoodman said:
If a talent-depleted team led by Tyrod Taylor reached the playoffs, McD must be better than many think.
That's your sample size?
We needed a miracle play by Andy Dalton & Tyler Boyd to even have a chance that year.
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15 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
Weren't the Bills a 9-7 playoff team the year before? With Tyrod Taylor at QB?
We get it. KC's success is 100% due to Mahomes, not just the greatest QB in history, or the greatest athlete of all time, but one of the most amazing people to ever live on the planet Earth.
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In 10 years, more people outside of Buffalo will evaluate the trade as, "oh, it worked out great for both teams!"
Pretty sure on that one.
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1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:
If JA17 never wins a superbowl in Buffalo this will go down as the worst trade in NFL (and quite frankly pro sports) history. Sean McDivisional will also be the most hated figure in Buffalo sports history as well.
I still can't fathom how you make this trade with the guy who fired you in the first place especially after 17 long years of misery and a guy like this falls right into Buffalo's lap. It was destiny, fate and every other cliche you can look for.
The Chiefs should have been us period. And now we get to watch them play for and win many more superbowls in the years to come.
The Chiefs' SB success goes pretty well beyond Mahomes.
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We should really have a separate "Chiefs angst" forum.
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3 hours ago, mjt328 said:
I've been watching this team since the late 1980s. Now my kids are the same age I was during the Super Bowl years.
My grandfather passed away without seeing the Bills win the Super Bowl. Now my father is over 70.
Yeah, it's nice to have a player like Josh Allen under center. But I've experienced having great players before. Even the drought teams had some fantastic individual talents that I enjoyed watching like LeSean McCoy, Kyle Williams, etc.
What I've never experienced is seeing my team a top the football world... not even just ONE time. When I sit back and consider that Brady and Mahomes have enough rings to fill up two hands, while my own family is on the 4th generation of fandom and still has nothing to show for it. That's why my full focus is on the Lombardi.
Those late '80's teams are some of my 1st memories. I agree w/ what you're saying here - at this point of my fandom, I have had plenty of entertainment from teams that either never had a chance, or had their chance but failed.
But I still love watching Allen play, and watching this iteration of the Bills. Allen may not be the best of all time or even the best right now - but to me, he is the most entertaining QB to watch in NFL history. Maybe Fran Tarkenton comes close.
I'm appreciating it. I love watching football every week now, and love seeing this team relevant again after the past few decades. I'm definitely trying to go into each season w/ more of a mindset of enjoying the games, and hoping for a title. I don't want to be in week 4 or 5 and thinking "none of this matters unless we get the prize."
That said, I'll have no peace until we win it all. But that's kind of a separate concept.
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11 minutes ago, beebe said:
The Bills would be better served hyper focusing on the draft. Free agency is a poison pill if trying to land a big name guy.
You're competing against other teams trying to fill the same positional need, and to get the player you desire, that almost always means overpaying (that will be especially true this year with added cap space.) Most important, you're overpaying for a player who performed well in someone else's system. How they'll translate to your system, or what made them successful in the prior system, is often highly unpredictable.
I'm gonna guess that they can chew gum & walk at the same time, and focus on both having a great draft, and doing what they can in FA to strengthen the team.
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That's awesome. Major kudos to him.
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2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
Each era has gad something to offer if you love this team. It was fun in the drought years hoping things would be different. Following the draft and coaching changes and hoping we got our guy. You learn to enjoy different elements of the game and the team when you aren't as competitive. It was similar to how it felt post Kelly when we fought to be relevant again. Both those eras led to a lot of frustrations but so does losing every year in the divisional round. I struggle to rank my frustration to be honest and never felt like I should be "thankful" for this or that. I love the Bills, I enjoy the team regardless. It's always entertaining and I suppose anything short of a Super Bowl will end up being frustrating. For different reasons depending on how close you get.
I do agree w/ this general sentiment.
But the drought was brutal. I definitely got my hopes up every season, but it was only the homer in me. That was such a tough time, and something I NEVER would have imagined when I started life as a sports fan. To go through 2 decades of sharing a division w/ the greatest, most enduring dynasty of all time.
Crazy.
But, it makes me appreciate these days more.
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26 minutes ago, Old Coot said:
Let's try a counterfactual: (that means I know this trade would never happen but let's assume that it's on offer)
Mahomes for Allen trade, straight up one for one. You are the Bills' GM, do you do the trade?
Why or why not?
I don't, which I'm sure might get some laughing emojis.
I just think both guys are right for their teams. I think Allen has a better arm for the winds & conditions in Buffalo, and a tougher running style. I also think he's just a tougher dude, which suits our city.
Mahomes is great & a good fit for KC. I wouldn't trade Allen for him straight up.
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33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Slightly 🤣
My favorite part of the Chiefs fans on here is you have to demean every other part of your organization because any hint that Mahomes is not 100% responsible for their success is sacrilege. Any hint that Allen with the Chiefs could have had similar success is sacrilege. So it comes down to coming up with bizarre (and wrong) opinions about your own coach and surrounding talent.
Pats fans did that for years.
If the debate was Brady/Manning, it was all Brady, all the time. If it was about coaching, Belichick was the GOAT and chess/checkers.
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This thread has veered ever so slightly into "overreaction" territory.
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12 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Andy Reid didn’t have to face Brady in the same conference, much like Shanny doesn’t have to face Mahomes now.
Andy lost to Kerry Collins, Kurt Warner, Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Brady, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Aaron Rodgers in the postseason. Some great names in there, and also some not so great names.
Marvin Lewis lost to Matt Schaub, Phil Rivers, Andrew Luck, Big Ben when Andy Dalton was a starter in the NFL.McD and Allen have lost to Mahomes 3 times and Burrow once (since Josh has been a franchise QB).
Shanny has lost to Brady (as OC) Mahomes, Mahomes, Hurts (when his QB got hurt).
your Marvin Lewis comparison fits far more to pre-Mahomes Andy than McD.Shanny and McD are the better comparison. Losing to the greatest QB in the generation isn’t a crime. We face them before an NFC team ever will.
Losing to Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson and Kerry Collins? Man, you’d have burned McD’s house down if he did that.
I mean, it's really a stretch to say pre-Mahomes Reid was ANYTHING like McDermott.
He made a SB - and could have likely won if McNabb hadn't been sick & thrown 3 INT's. He went to 5 AFCCG's.
We've been to one, in what seems like forever ago.
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2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
He doesn't have to be Superman for them to win. He's supported by a good running game, good receiving weapons (including two good TEs), good tackles, and a very good defense (yes, yes, their LB situation vs KC wasn't ideal, I get it).
If the Bills were to add one more solid WR and maybe bolster the interior line a bit, their offense would be absolutely loaded. I don't get the narrative that he has to carry a bunch of scrubs.
No one said he has to carry a bunch of scrubs. He didn't have a great WR corps this year, though. Harty & Sherfield didn't pan out. Diggs started off great, but wasn't close to himself the last few months; I am fairly sure he was trying to work through an injury. Davis is incredibly inconsistent, and was hurt at the end. All of the all-22 stuff for the Bills showed epic problems w/ the receivers getting separation.
Sure, Mahomes had a similar bad situation there. But he had a much better D - certainly at the end of the season & in the playoffs.
Allen has had to do more for the Bills than most QB's have to do for their teams. I really don't think that's disputable.
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That one punt he had for us preseason was insane.
Probably the best punter you could have when you're pinned deep.
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Good pick-up. The only caveat is that he's just a boomer - not nearly as good at placement.
I'd bet the Chiefs average punt position is far closer to midfield than most teams.
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Maybe we can have a separate forum dedicated to Mahomes worship?
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15 minutes ago, beebe said:
Do a search for "Superman" on this forum. You'll retrieve 1856 results and 75 pages worth of usages. More specifically, do a search that includes both "Josh" and "Superman" and you'll find 330 results and 14 pages. Hope this helps.
Also, any context on that?
I did the search. The vast majority of references seem to be game threads, where Josh makes a great play and someone says "he's Superman!" Kind of like fans do the "he is HIM." Basically every fanbase does that.
I also see quite a few "Allen needs to be Superman for us to win," or that kind of thing.
I'm sure you'll search further to find ways to prove me wrong or something, but context is important on this one. There is far more "Allen needs to improve" on this board than "Allen can do no wrong," which our KC friend contended in his neverending quest for Mahomes credit.
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2 minutes ago, beebe said:
Do a search for "Superman" on this forum. You'll retrieve 1856 results and 75 pages worth of usages. More specifically, do a search that includes both "Josh" and "Superman" and you'll find 330 results and 14 pages. Hope this helps.
The KC fans really adore ya.
Thanks for the tip.
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5 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
First of all, who uses their real name on an anonymous board? If that somehow makes you less "pathetic," then I guess you're less pathetic than 99% of fellow Bills fans and the entire internet.
My identity isn't based on a football player or team. If there's anything creepy around here, it's the insistence that Allen can do no wrong and branding him "Superman." I wouldn't be surprised if some people from that part of the country actually worship him.
I don't think I've seen anyone here use the word "Superman," or even say he could do no wrong.
We think he's a top tier QB. Which apparently you don't, since you said you don't think he would have done "much" with a team Mahomes won a SB with.
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Just now, SWATeam said:
The whole last drive he went into "hero mode." Fumbled the ball that we were fortunate to recover. Threw an ill conceived pass off the hands of a defender, and went for the kill shots instead of checking down to move the chains and milk the clock. It is what it is. That's what we get with Josh- a lot of brilliance, but he occasionally gets tight and spazzes out in the big moments.
Maybe the fumble play. But it's incorrect to label the pass to Shakir "hero ball."
It was the play design, and Shakir was open. You have to take that.
I kind of laugh when people argue that he should have checked down and gone for a TD more methodically to wind down the clock. As though you can script that against a great D. A lot of bad things can happen, and great D's tighten up the closer you get to the endzone. That might have been the last open guy for a TD Allen could have seen. From the 10 or 5 yard line, if we made it there, he might have had to force it.
You take the open guy when he's open.
Just now, FireChans said:Poyer forced a fumble out of the end zone that saved the game from being a blowout and cost the Chiefs 7 points.
Fair. That's one - and a bit of a wash because that was only there due to the fake punt.
Chris Jones made the game-sealing play. There was nothing like that on the Bills side.
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Chiefs-Bills trade that landed Kansas City Patrick Mahomes
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Nah.
Except for the Ravens playoff game, the D has underachieved in the playoffs.
You present a lot of stats out of context.