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12 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
People can keep saying that I'm clamoring for praise, but it doesn't make it true.
Btw, there were Bills fans creating threads on the KC board like "The Bills will take the AFC this season." If the roles were reversed, do you think I'd be doing that? Not a chance.
It's pretty easy to make claims that no one can disprove (but I actually wouldn't do that).
You've said a few times that Mahomes isn't getting enough credit on here...no?
At one point, you said no one here was giving him credit. Which you later corrected when it was pointed out that most here praise him.
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2 minutes ago, beebe said:
Playoff loss #5: 26-for-39 for 186 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INT, 24 points, vs Chiefs in '23 divisional round. Not good enough.
Playoff loss #4: 24-of-42 for 264 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 10 points, vs Bengals in '22 divisional round. Not good enough.
Playoff loss #3: 27-of-37 for 329 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INT, 36 points, vs Chiefs in '21 divisional round. Good enough!
Playoff loss #2: 28-of-48 for 287 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 24 points (two garbage time scores late) vs Chiefs in '20 AFC title game. Not good enough.
Playoff loss #1: 24-of-46 for 264 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 19 points vs Texans in '19 AFC Wild Card. Not good enough.
Allen clearly wasn't good enough in playoff losses #1, #3, #4. He was arguably good enough in playoff loss #5, but couldn't lead his team to any points in the final three possessions, in the same situation where Mahomes routinely comes up clutch (including in all three Super Bowl wins.)
Allen was great in playoff loss #3.
On the whole, Allen has been good — but not good enough.
McDermott has clearly not been good enough — but has also had the hardest degree of difficulty assignment in football three of his last four playoff losses (stopping Mahomes.)
You said McDermott is basically Cowher before he got Big Ben.
Were you saying that Allen isn't close to Big Ben, and that for McDermott to take that leap, he needs a better QB?
EDIT: and quite a few people think Allen played as well as or better than Mahomes in this past game. He had some big drops by receivers. And you left out his rushing stats.
Allen wasn't the reason we lost to KC this year.
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Nah, I think we keep scratching and clawing and trying to get better (with a pinch of draft luck) and try to beat them or hope we catch some breaks and not have to face them at all. I don’t think we can NEVER win. We just have to get lucky, and a team with a good coach (but not the best) and a great QB (but not the best) is going to need luck to break through.
Mahomes can win 10 for all I care, I just want one. I am past the point of caring if Josh Allen goes down as the greatest QB in the history of QB’s. There’s some weird obsession with trying to wish Josh into being a better QB than Pat but that race is long over.
Most teams need luck to win a title. Even the mighty Chiefs.
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Just now, FireChans said:
I think he’s a good coach. Honestly a great coach. I also know he wasn’t “good enough” before he got the best QB in football.
If the Bills had the best QB in football and couldn’t beat them, I would be yelling fire McD with the rest of ya.
Would you prefer we traded Allen for a ton of picks & start from scratch?
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Let’s play a quiz game.
Which coach is being referred to with these quotes?
“Whenever I think of ****, I think of Bill Cowher. People were so critical of Cowher not being able to win the big one, yet he was the head coach for 14 years in PIT and did a damn fine job with only a single SB appearance prior to his last season. Before 2005, his last season, he had only four losing seasons, five AFC Championship appearances, and the one Super Bowl appearance, losing to Dallas in 1995. Yet his reputation was a good coach who couldn't win when it counted.”
“*** i think is a very good coach Monday thru Saturday, but awful coach on Sunday...and for the last couple of years has had some incredible puck luck during the season.”
“Hes another Chuck Knox, Marty Schottenheimer type. Beats bad teams all the time, loses the 5 or 6 toughies ends up 10-6 11-5 if the schedule smiled on him and exits when the playoffs start.
If your not making the playoff he will get you there almost guaranteed then the frustration is your really not going anywhere and guess what they are not making the super bowl this year either”
”Have you watched him coach… in the playoffs?
It's very entertaining. He's saves his best game day mismanagement for those games.”
“He's a modern day Marty Schottenheimer, IMO. Solid but not spectacular. Very good regular season coach who usually fields a good, competitive squad but can't get over the hump in the playoffs.”
If you guessed, “Andy Reid before he got the greatest QB in football,” you’re right!
Johnny, tell them what they’ve won!
Your assessment of Andy Reid as a mediocre HC who gives KC no advantage over the Bills is noted.
Just now, beebe said:Andy Reid was Sean McDermott before Mahomes.
Tony Dungy was Sean McDermott before Peyton Manning.
Bill Cowher was Sean McDermott before Big Ben.
Sean McDermott is still Sean McDermott with Josh Allen.
So what's the conclusion? Allen just ain't good enough? He's holding McDermott back from greatness?
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40 minutes ago, Billl said:
I've never seen a fan base more obsessed with coaching.
I mean, that's what happens with an underachieving team.
It must be challenging as a KC fan to see fans of another team post about anything but Mahomes' greatness.
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2 hours ago, beebe said:
Josh had TWO completions beyond six yards the entire game. One of them was a spectacular catch by Shakir for a touchdown. There were for sure a few catches that should have been made - that need to be made - downfield. But the Chiefs' banged-up defense, playing without four starters and two backup safeties, turned an elite quarterback into Russell Wilson.
I mean - you understand that the focus on short passes was by design....right?
Reid coaches these games better. McDermott is a solid coach - but Reid is a great coach.
1 hour ago, Mark80 said:We were one throw away from beating the Chiefs with our defense completely decimated by injuries. Amazing how this just gets glossed over constantly. We had AJ freaking Klien trying to cover Kelce. AJ Klien. And still almost won. The chiefs, on the other hand, we basically completely healthy on D to start the game and then lost 1 LB during the game.
100%. I feel like I'm losing my mind reading some of these posts.
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56 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
Ha...not the reason I come to this board, but no one is more stuck on a QB's nuts than Bills fans and Allen. Now imagine if he had 3 rings and two MVPs in six seasons.
You think we'd be on the boards of teams that hadn't won a ring yet clamoring for even MORE credit & praise for Allen? Like, literally within days of winning another SB?
I wouldn't be. Not a chance.
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9 hours ago, 90sBills said:
I remember the media would be incessant about Reid’s clock management in big games. It’s funny how that whole narrative has disappeared since Mahomes.
No matter how brilliant a coach is he’d still need the right players to execute his visions. Players (especially QBs) will always be more important than the coach. It’s already proven with Brady and Belichick.
Reid is a great coach. Just like Brady/Belichick, the success of that team comes down to both.
It's an advantage the Chiefs have over the Bills. I like McDermott, but he's not really in the same league as Reid.
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26 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
You’re proving my point for me. People would have laughed in your face if you suggested Reid was better than Belichick 5 years ago. And he was a mile away from the GOAT conversation. He was fired by Philly for God’s sake, and took a lot of heat from Chiefs fans early on. Reid was 11-13 in the playoffs before Mahomes. 15-3 with Mahomes.Well, of course people are going to put a lot of the blame on the losing coach. Just like Reid dealt with for 20 years. Media narratives aren’t always fair.
If the Bills make a few more plays in the 13 seconds game and this year, the narrative about McD is completely different.
I’m not saying that McD personally deserves a lot of credit for developing Allen. I meant the staff in general.
The bottom line is that Allen’s had good coaching, and the defensive coaching has been very good as well. All those injuries you guys talked about and yet they still finished, what…4th in total defense?
Not really sure what you're looking for, but everyone here thinks Mahomes is great, and most think he has also benefitted from a HOF coach. It's pretty simple.
If anything, you're here trying to diminish Allen by saying things like he wouldn't have done much w/ this year's Chiefs team. I mean, that's a big dropoff between Mahomes & Allen. One guy wins a SB w/ them, and one guy wouldn't do much w/ them.
You think Mahomes would have won a SB w/ this year's Bills team? Kinda doubt it, myself.
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32 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
Well, respect for Reid nationally (and locally) increased 1000% after Mahomes became the starter. That’s no coincidence. And McNabb and Vick were pretty talented. Alex Smith had by far the best season of his career in 2017, and Mahomes doubled his TD total in his first year.
Many of you give little credit to McDermott and his staff, but he’s a pretty damn solid coach. Went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and a weak roster. Hell, one of the “genius” plays that Reid’s praised for was stolen from the Bills. The occasional questionable decision doesn’t make McD a vastly inferior coach. As good as he is, Andy’s made a hell of a lot of questionable decisions in his career too, and it’s no secret that he’s struggled with clock management over the years.
Andy’s done a nice job of developing Mahomes, but does McD get any credit for what Allen’s become? Especially considering how raw and inaccurate he was early on.
The difference in perspective among different fanbases is funny to me. On a Broncos board, they’ll say Andy Reid is an awful playoff coach being carried by Mahomes. And they hate Mahomes for obvious reasons.
That's quite a narrative.
Reid is considered the best coach in the NFL right now. That is pretty much consensus. People are starting to talk about him as potential GOAT.
McDermott? Not so much right now. I've heard countless opposing fans & pundits say that he's holding Allen back. I'm not ready to give up on him personally, but there is no question the JA era Bills have underachieved, and much of that falls to coaching.
So, yeah - the difference in perspective is kind of funny.
EDIT: I'd also add that literally no one credits McDermott w/ Allen's development. He's a defensive coach. Daboll is credited w/ making Allen as good as he is. That's a fairly consensus opinion also.
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I wouldn't trade JA for anyone. Like you said - he's perfect for Buffalo.
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12 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
You haven't seen anyone claim that Reid is the main reason Mahomes has won at this rate, and that Allen would have like 6 SBs if he played for Reid?
I've seen posters here talk about the disparity in coaching between the 2 teams, and how that's a big factor in the accomplishments so far between Allen & Mahomes.
That's just factual. It's not "not crediting" Mahomes and/or not thinking he's still a great QB.
Unless you think Mahomes deserves 100% credit for everything?
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1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:
There are a lot of people here that pull the "no respect" card, but I'm not one of them. Sure, some people are too salty to give credit to Mahomes, but he gets plenty of credit from experts and talking heads.
I haven't seen a single poster who fits that characterization.
That might be your perception if someone cites injuries or Mahomes also having a great defense this year - but that in no way = Bills fans not "giving credit to Mahomes." Everyone here knows he's a great QB.
But, once again - you ARE on a Bills board. "Credit for Mahomes" isn't always going to be a daily focus, though I'd say again that I think there is too much of it here, and not too little, and there certainly isn't anyone who doesn't credit him at all.
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21 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Happy to help.
It's pretty simple: The Ravens, Chiefs and 49ers all boasted elite defenses in every phase. When the Bills faced top defenses this year, they often struggled (Jets, Chiefs, Patriots, ), they also had success against top defenses in the Steelers, Raiders, Cowboys, but only the Cowboys were though to be in the upper end of defenses. The Ravens, 49ers and Chiefs (who eliminated us) were all cream of the crop.
I'm not saying the Bills would lose by 20, but I could absolutely see a loss by 10+ to the 49ers, or even the ravens, in a game where the Bills were never really in a position to win. I know it feels good to think "oh we were a play away from beating KC" or whatever, but that's why they're stacking Lombardi's, while Josh is working on his short game. Despite the small difference in scores, there's a chasm of difference between the top teams in the league and where the Bills are now.
I think if you run a simulation from the division round forward 100 times, I'd be shocked if the Bills win out more than 5-6 times. They just aren't built to go deep and they never have been. We'll be running it back once again this year and you guys will get all excited when they win 11-12 games, and you'll be so disappointed and shocked when we get dropped out early in the playoffs. I won't be. I've seen how champions have been built the last 20 and especially the last 10 years.
You go all-in or you go home.A "chasm?"
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but I'd characterize it as overly negative.
If we made it to the SB, which we could have if Chris Jones got to Allen a half second later, chances are we would have had Bernard, Spector & Benford back, as well as a healthier Douglas. I'm probably missing someone, too.
It would have been a great game against the Niners, that I'd give us a 50% chance of winning (at minimum). I mean, we beat the champs in the regular, and the divisional loss was a very winnable game. I can't really comprehend the idea that there is some sort of "chasm" between us & the contenders.
EDIT: I did miss some guys - we would have likely had Rapp & Davis back for the SB also.
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12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
For sure. I would think at least 10. Josh would have been under constant duress from their pass, rush, their DBs would have locked down our WRs and Warner would have blown up our run game. We wouldn't have been able to out-scheme them like KC did.
I might need some logic behind this one.
When did we get blown out this past season? When was a Bills game not close? Didn't KC beat the Niners? Didn't the Ravens - who KC beat more handily than they beat the Bills?
So, that one game would have been the outlier where a team just handled us easily?
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One of the all timers. I'll basically watch it any time I come across it on cable.
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14 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
Uh….yeah. You aren’t seriously under the impression that everyone agrees with you that this was an egregiously bad call, right? Dude was a at least two yards out of bounds. 🤣
Did you miss the rest of the 4th quarter?
An entire series of missed calls (block in the back, holding), clock "problems", and a basically phantom grounding penalty - all going the Chiefs way.
I was extremely glad that one wasn't the Bills. Gotta think that Bengals fans are still replaying some of those.
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2 minutes ago, beebe said:
Kelce's career games vs Bills:
13 catches, 118 yards, two TDs ('20 afc championship)
5 catches, 65 yards, two TDs
8 catches, 96 yards, one TD
6 catches, 57 yards, one TD
8 catches, 108 yards, zero TDs
6 catches, 83 yards, zero TDs
5 catches, 75 yards, two TDs ('23 divisional round)
Kelce's best-ever game vs the Bills in the 2020 AFC championship game came against a fully-healthy Bills roster with in-their-prime Poyer, Hyde, White, Johnson, Milano, Edmunds all on the field.
Arguably his second-best game vs the Bills—easily his most memorable given the game-winning catch in OT—came against another completely healthy Bills defense.
Kelce has cooked basically every defense he's ever played in the playoffs. We've seen Kelce run circles around Milano in two prior playoff games and caught the game-winner over him in the divisional game. In fact, Milano has gotten crucified in the past for getting beat in playoff games, and how many times have we read here, "Why is Kelce always open!"
Mahomes targeted Kelce on 39.5% of his pass attempts in the 2020 game.
He targeted Kelce on 26% of his pass attempts in this year's game.
The Bills haven't had an answer for Kelce for four years now.
This past game, that really shocked me w/ Bernard, Milano & Spector out, and our secondary missing Benford, White & featuring a much-less-than 100% Douglas.
Who knew that Klein - who I think I heard was heading to FL a week before the game? - couldn't keep up w/ Kelce?
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3 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
KC was a boneheaded penalty away from winning that regular season game. Also seeing how things have played out KC has another gear in the playoffs that Bills have yet to match.
Could a healthy Bills D slowed them down this time? Maybe. But more likely not. As KC played a better (and healthy) defense in Baltimore the week after then yet again another better ranked defense in SF to win the Lombardi. So lament all you want about what could should would. KC has proved that they can beat anyone in the playoffs. Bills need to raise their game to that level otherwise the trophy case will remain empty.
The bolded is what I don't really get.
Why does KC get the benefit of some "ifs" on here from some - but we don't hear from those same posters about the "ifs" of Diggs catching that 60-yarder, or Sherfield catching that long one, or Dawkins not ceding so much ground to Chris Jones, or Bass making that FG?
That narrative for some seems pretty one-sided in support of an idea that the Bills are nowhere close to KC, when just about every game we have w/ them is a coin flip kind of game.
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4 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:
Which calls were egregiously bad?Really?
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Just now, SaulGoodman said:
Speaking of luck, do the Bills even make the playoffs if Toney isn't called for offensive offside?
Does KC have 2 SB's in a row w/out egregiously bad calls against BOTH Cincy & Philly, in the AFCCG and SB last year, respectively?
It's a curious thing to consider.
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33 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Stop feeding the KC strays....
And those guys STILL complain that they're not getting enough praise on this board, literally a week after winning a 2nd consecutive SB.
It's a very tough crowd to please.
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1 minute ago, SaulGoodman said:
Again, I'm not triggered by anything here and I'm obviously not expecting to see lavish praise for KC or Mahomes. I just think there are some silly narratives floating around. Before the game in Buffalo, the prevailing opinion seemed to be that the Bills had the advantage at most positions and would win comfortably, and then go on to win the SB. People were saying the Bills had rounded into form and were playing at an elite level. After the game, the narrative immediately changed to "Mahomes has way more talent around him and Andy Reid, so of course he should have won."
That wasn't the narrative I heard - nationally, or here. Especially not "win comfortably." Personally, I thought there was a chance we could have a good win, but I'm one of the biggest homers here, and got my usual round of laughing & eyeroll emojis. It was nowhere near "prevailing."
As I said: most thought the Bills were too banged up, especially after the losses in the Pitt game. Even your guy Wright said that. And it was a huge concern here on this board.
No offense, but you seems to fabricate a lot of stuff. Or maybe just misremember.
The coaching mismatch
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Of course, of course.
Because, as we know - Josh Allen has to play perfect games for the team to have a chance.