Royale with Cheese
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This isn't the first time nor will it be the last that a con has been achieved.
Well he conned himself since he agreed to the pay cut and signed the restructured contract....
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Did Tyrod specifically state better receivers?I don't understand what the plan at receiver is. Tyrod said part of the reason he took a pay cut was to get better receivers on the team. But as of right now we have worse, yes WORSE, receivers than last year. Is the plan to evaluate Tyrod for a year or not? Sounds like they're just saying F it, we'll run our backs into the ground and pray Sammy stays healthy.
This has been a bad weak spot for Whaley, along with RT.
Also you got to take into consideration, if you're a free agent WR, wouldn't Buffalo be towards the bottom of your list for destinations?
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Fair enough. I think he's got a good chance to be an elite NFL pass rusher.
Von Miller probably is premature as a comparison, but the Clay Matthews comparisons make a lot of sense. Matthews obviously has never been an every down DE, but you could still probably plug him in as a SLB in your base package in a 4-3 and kick him to the edge in your Nickel package.
Elite athleticism, elite intangibles, prototypical size, scheme diverse, incredible blood lines. I think you can do a lot worse with a 1st round pick than roll the dice on a guy with all that going for him.
I think Clay Matthews is a better comparison yes.
But we will see.
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Ummmm what?
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To some degree, but it doesn't seem to matter a ton. Guys with his type of measurables don't bust as DEs or 3-4 OLBs.
Guys like Watt work out and become very good NFL players at an extremely high rate.
JJ Watt's game film said his first step wasn't very good. Scouting reports are wrong all the time.
And with that said, it's not like his scouting reports are describing a bad player. TJ Watt has been a late 1st round pick for a while now. His combine test scores will move him up into the top 15 picks.
Not all had him as a late 1st rounder....I was reading 2nd and 3rd a few weeks ago. After this combine, he'll probably be at least a late first rounder. He might sneak ahead into top 20.
I think he will be a nice player but comparing him to Von Miller is very premature....Miller is a generational type player. There isn't a faster guy off the ball than him in a long time....that's why he went #2.
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I'm not sure it matters. Guys who put up his test numbers are almost always really good pros.
As I said earlier, this is a 22 year old guy who is just scratching his potential. Put him in an NFL calibre weight program for a year or two and you're going to have an elite pass rusher on your hands.
Bruce Irvin is probably the least successful guy with these type of scores, and he's still a really good player. The floor for a guy with this type of athleticism is very high.
You're saying game film doesn't matter?
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I don't know, but if his floor is Bruce Irvin he's worth at least a mid first round pick.
You can make a pretty strong case that his intangibles (Irvin had numerous off the field issues coming out of college) move his floor a little higher than Irvin.
The Clay Matthews comparisons seem to make the most sense.
Most of the guys who post his type of measurable numbers are phenomenal, game changing football players.
I'm not saying you're completely in the wrong. I just find it a bit odd that with these numbers, more than one scouting report says he's not explosive off the ball. Zeirling a very well known scout says he lacks explosion out of stance, another report (don't know that scout) says he's very slow out of stance.
That's Von Millers biggest positive...explosive first step that makes him a terror on the edge. Very fast twitch guy.
Is Watt a good tester but doesn't apply that on the field?
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His test scores are also very similar to Bruce Irvin who's a pretty decent pro. Is he undoubtedly more Von Miller or Bruce Irvin?The data from the combine says he's a great athlete.
Guys with his test scores routinely go to the NFL and become perennial All Pros.
That's a fact. That's all I care about.
Guys with his athleticism fit in any defense.
He might not be an every down base defensive end (I think otherwise), so you play him at SLB in your 4-3 sets and DE when you go Nickel.
Von Miller has been used the same way in Denver. Over the years, they've flipped back and forth between 3-4 and 4-3 schemes, and he's always been incredibly productive.
Watt's test scores say he's the same player, and given the track record of success for guys with this level of athleticism, I want this guy on our team.
The tape doesn't show Von Miller but seems like the combine numbers are more important than game film....
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At the end of last season I was so sure this wasn't going to happen. After seeing Mills in action last year, I just knew DW was going to make RT a priority.
But looking at the FA market and how it's been playing out so far, I'm getting nervous.
Really would be awesome if Kujo could step and play RT....
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Why wasn't JJ Watt the #1 overall pick?
He was also described as an effort guy who lacked athleticism and agility.
WEAKNESSES
Won't consistently get the edge on tackles with his get off or quickness. Plays high at times, can be blown off the ball by the double team, but does fight hard to hold ground. Lacks some lateral mobility both rushing the passer and playing in space. Will occasionally give up outside contain.
The weaknesses section of his report was dead wrong.
Scouting reports are often wrong. That's why 1st round picks bust and late round picks can be successful.
Test scores don't lie. You don't put up elite numbers across the board if you're not an elite athlete.
The reason that I used NFL.com scouting report is because back in the BBMB days, you used it a lot. When you don't like a player, you'll focus on a negatives. When you love a player, the negatives and scouting report are wrong.
More than one scouting report states he's not a great athlete.
http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scouting-Reports/Scouting-Report-TJ-Watt.asp
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He has the raw talent and size to be a dominant pass-rusher in the NFL. The knock on Watt is his speed and athleticism. He is very slow getting out of his stance.
Hes already got a varied skillset that dominates tight ends, but fails to translate versus tackles nearly as often.
So okay, maybe hed play the strong side. I dont believe Watt is a premier athlete at the NFL level, certainly not a knock on him, but hes not the twitchiest of athletes. So maybe an NFL team puts him at strong side outside linebacker
He might be a great player and you could be absolutely right. You just tend to not take into account anyone else's opinions, whether it's a poster or scout.
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So the scouting report is wrong?Their combine numbers say they're both quick twitch, explosive guys.
The guys who post these type of numbers pretty much always go on to become elite NFL pass rushers.
"Low risk" guys are low risk because they work out all the time.
If he's low risk and fast twitch...why isn't he going top 5?
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Why not?
Athletically they're essentially the same guy.
Von Miller
Forty time - 4.53 seconds
Bench press - 21 reps
Vertical - 37 inches
3-Cone - 6.7 seconds
Short shuttle - 4.06 seconds
Demarcus Ware
Forty time - 4.65 seconds
Bench press - 26 reps
Vertical - 38 inches
3-Cone - 6.83 seconds
Short shuttle - 4.09 seconds
Clay Matthews
Forty time - 4.67 seconds
Bench press - 23 reps
Vertical - 35.5 inches
3-Cone - 6.9 seconds
Short shuttle - 4.18 seconds
TJ Watt
Forty time - 4.69 seconds
Bench press - 21 reps
Vertical 37 inches
3-cone - 6.79 seconds
Short shuttle - 4.16 seconds
Defensive End.
From his scouting report, his pressure comes from relentless effort and hand techniques. Von Miller is a quick twitch explosive guy....the opposite according to Watts scouting report. A few times at the combine that are similar doesn't mean they are the same athlete.
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There's not a ton of video online, but from what I've seen plenty of his production was beating offensive tackles one on one.
I don't know much about the guy so I'm relying on scouting reports. Here's NFL.com
ANALYSIS
Strengths
Produced at high-end level with just one season of full-time football. Has desired length for the edge with room to accommodate more size. Attacks blockers with early arm extension and utilizes push-pull technique to upset their balance as his pet move against run and pass. Outstanding hand play in his game. Disruptive as first man in on twists. Always ready to leap into passing lane and deflect the throw. Strikes fast and early to create leverage points. Rarely has helmet involved in play and is constantly searching for the ball. Understands art of quick disengagements and can flatten out against outside run. Has good agility to clear trash near his feet and pursue the ball. Functional in space when asked to cover. Can get skinny when shooting gaps and has decisiveness and pursuit quickness to crash down the line and close-out cutback lanes. Consistent, wrap-up finisher as tackler.
Weaknesses
Not overly twitched-up as an athlete. Short strider who lacks explosion out of stance and up the field to bend the edge as a pass rusher. Foot quickness is average and needs to win with technique and great hand play. Won't generate enough acceleration to crank up speed-to-power rush with consistency. Plays with a narrow base. Needs to play with more consistent bend to play through redirection by offensive line. Will have to add power in his base to hold point of attack against tackles. Pass rush menu will need more options against NFL tackles.
Sources Tell Us
"He looked a lot stronger and a lot more confident on tape this year. He needs to get bigger, but he's already a strong guy. I can see him standing or playing base end for a 4-3 team. He's going to keep getting better." -- Midwest area scout for AFC team
NFL Comparison
Paul Kruger
Bottom Line
A long-limbed effort rusher who posted impressive numbers against the run and pass in just one year as a starter. He is a tireless worker who pursues from snap to whistle and his brother, J.J., will be a tremendous resource for technique and pass-rush plan. While he is unlikely to win a race to the edge, he's a plus run defender who can get to the quarterback with plus hand work and relentless effort.
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Not really.
Von Miller had all of the same concerns coming out of college. Clay Matthews couldn't crack the starting lineup at USC until his final year.
This guy's movement skills are elite. The thread from the BBMB would have classified him as "low risk", and guys in that category pretty much always went on to become excellent NFL players.
The biggest of the concerns is a lot of the production came from being unblocked and tight ends.
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His concerns are big concerns IMO
Light for the position though with the frame to pack it on.
Much of his production came unblocked or versus tight ends.
Only one season of production. Played 661 snaps in 2016 after playing only 174 snaps in 2015.
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he's no larry kinnebrew.
(i just like to bring up larry kinnebrew)
Larry is a name that isn't as popular anymore which is a shame. It needs to make a comeback.
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Mills graded out better, by quite a bit, than Smith did last year. FWIW,
Yeah I saw that somewhere as well but when it comes to offensive lineman, Im not sure how reliable an outside sources grades are.
Eric Wood talked about this in an interview. He brought up an example of something he would be graded a negative on. Let's say his job is to pull and go down the line to seal a block. However when he's pulling, a DT pushes our guard into him and trips him up. Wood never gets to his guy and he will be graded as a negative on his part even though it wasn't his fault. The only accurate grade is from their position coach.
I'm just guessing that since the Bills went hard after Smith and only signed Mills for back up money....they aren't very comfortable with Mills as the every day RT.
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No loss. His best years are behind him.
It's a loss if Mills ends up the starting at right tackle.
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Let's talk about Chad Kelly
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things
And bad things that may be
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All of this is funny that we still have to argue about it...
If folks want to call this a "bridge contract" using QBs like Bradford and Glennon as points of comparison, that's fine, but Taylor's much more of a deal based on the on-field performance we've already seen. Yeah, Bradford was very good this year, but it's not like that was expected... and please don't pretend you did. Bradford got more money despite being worse than Taylor on the field... living off "hype" and "draft status" largely really.
That's why this is just such a fantastic deal. Because if the team gets some weapons (hellooo Whaley...?) and stays healthy (unlike the Vikings), the Bills could be looking to make more noise than just being the "fringe playoff team" so many are expecting.
Don't get me started on Glennon. That might be Brock Osweiler contract territory...
It's a bridge contract because the Bills put themselves in position to walk away from him in the first 2 years.
Taylor took a pretty big pay cut....great deal for the Bills.
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As long as it's not $7,000,000 per year.
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I can't believe you're leaving Ryan Leaf out of the discussion.Manziel is available, too. I can't make up my mind on which one I want more.
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He also said RG3 was a can't miss.Bill Polian said that Kelly is flat out the most talented QB in the draft. Worth a gamble in the third or later IMHO.
I respect Polian as much as any GM/talent evaluator but it also doesn't mean he's always right.
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I'm not sure just how much worse, but Mixon is getting drafted fwiw. That guy should never play pro ball imo but he will. Kelly is getting picked.
Yeah I hope some defender comes up and crushes him...hurts him badly.
T.J. Watt
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I like Peterman.
Unless we sign another FA safety, I see is taking one in the first 3 rounds. McDermott plays a lot of Cover 3 I understand.
WR probably up there too.