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  1. 15 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

    The justice system isn't perfect.  One reason I'm against capital punishment.  But do we burn it down and start again or improve it?

     

    no. we look at evidence. tucker presented some. some that was hidden from you, me, and defense team...which is illegal. you refuse to ask simple questions based on it. you then go on to say it was bs or whatever when it lead to his freedom and dont blink a eye.

     

    if trump was in office. they arrested a redtail hawk for violence. cnn showed clips of you standing around. i said cnn is propaganda. i dont believe my lying eyes. let him rot. 

     

    pretty sure you would feel diff for my unrelenting bias that doesn't even consider anything but my politics for conviction of the strongest degree.

     

    thats a disturbing place but i see by your downvote of that idea. your pretty far gone. 

     

    have a good night and hope that situation is just a example.

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  2. 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

    so why are you advocating for civil war?

     

    im not. im saying being si biased you are perfectly fine prosecuting your "enemies" and dismissing any evidence to the contrary has a natural conclusion to violence. people arent going to peacefully stand around and get rounded up because you were TOLD they deserve it. 

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  3. 7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

    sure you would/did...  and good luck with the civil war.  We all know that's your goal.  Winning within the rules is mine.

     

    i sure would! dont bring me down to your level. im on this board saying many things your biased mind would think impossible. not a trump fan. abortion rights. advocation to clear student debt. some of us a open to both sides of the story. especially if it means unjustly prosecuting people.

     

    within the rules of what? certainly not law or objectivity. 

     

    you pluck out the last statement. because you have nothing to say on the rest? its not a surprise. 

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  4. 6 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/04/tucker-carlson-long-con-fox-news-trump/

    and yes, I watched the weak tea "special" he aired about the "peaceful Jan 6 protest" after the radical R congress critters released some meaningless footage to him exclusively.

     

    meaningless? that footage got the shaman his freedom? i guess the sentencing judge didn't see it as dubious as you. its not suprising that there are people in this country that dismiss evidence that ultimately frees a man as what you just suggested.

     

    its really sad. there are alot of people whos political bias is so deep they would rather have people rot in jail and maintain that bias then objectively say...maybe the narrative was wrong. many people were violent. i did not see footage of them on tucker. the man who picked up the trashed statues in the footage, if full footage start to finish was him being let in and peacefully cleaning up but he was charged with 20+ years terrorist action. would you be behind that persecution. why?

     

    that is civil war territory friend. prosecuting political enemies and then dismissing evidence because its from someone you don't like. its flat out evil. for a group of people that ultimately came out of covid looking like fools i find it astonishing any of you can act objective or think you are on the right side of history to call any info misinformation and not care if fellow citizens are being unjustly prosecuted as you don't even consider evidence to the contrary.

     

    id feel the same for antifa or blm who were being prosecuted unjustly dept on evidence uncovered. but that's just me i guess.

     

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  5. 15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:


    The debt ceiling is a mistake and weird quirk that would never exist if it was thought through at any point. 
     

    Congress sets the budget. It tells the Executive Branch how much to spend and how much money it’ll receive to do so. 
     

    When Congress tells the Executive to spend more than it takes in, any rational person would understand that as Congress telling the Executive to borrow the difference. Instead, Congress also has to pass a separate bill to authorize the borrowing it essentially already told Executive to do. 
     

    The idea that using the debt ceiling as a vehicle for redoing the budget makes as much sense as threatening to not pay your mortgage until your kid cuts back on their Roblox spending. Sure, their spending might be out of control but tying it to the mortgage payment is just going to hurt everyone and shift the conversation away from proper budgeting at the expense of the family’s credit.

     

    What McCarthy is doing, and a long line of congressional leaders on both sides have done in the past, is stupid, counterproductive, against the mandate of the voters, and dangerous to the US economy. 

     

    so congress passes a full  budget and the borrowing part is what they are "raising" after both sides have already agreed to the number beforehand or can the side holding out reduce the debt side. they certainly make it sound that they are actually doing more then shutting down the government over nothing. i know congress held out because they did not want any money allocated to the wall and ultimately that's what they got. no wall

  6. On 4/21/2023 at 8:40 AM, ChiGoose said:


    The debt ceiling clearly has not been abolished. 
     

    If the debt ceiling was abolished, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

     

    why does the left want to abolish everything?

     

    you abolished having to shower and leave the house a few years. you abolished having to find a bathroom to take a $h/+ in your cities. you abolished anyone slowing you down when you take stuff from all the stores.

     

    lets mellow out on the abolishing for a bit. 

     

    no, i hear what your saying. isnt this litterally the only time where our politicians have to even think about money spent or deficits? i agree its pointless but still nice that they have to pretend they give a F with a tiny bit of urgency on the line. lord knows they want to be dead before any real reprocussions truly hit. not getting mail for a few days and suddenly everyone has a meltdown. i like the shock to the system while they pretend to compromise.

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  7. 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:


     

    Not sure facts and data work on emotionally driven people.  
     

    It’s why they keep shifting goal posts on racism, Gay rights, and now since science is against them they want change what science means. 

     

    it really is pointless. theres not going to be a great awakening of the woke. dont address it directly and it doesnt exist. force them to look and blame someone/thing else.

     

    nigerians are "black". are in a worse position economically comming in the country including language barrier. very successful with same skin tone.

     

    how many other identity groups are successful and nonviolent but not "white". alot.

     

    problems cannot be addressed when they are given a baked in excuse to exist and ignored. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

    White people are 3.5 times more likely to be violently victimized by a white person than by a black person. 

     

    1,700,000 white on white violent crimes per year vs 480,000 violent crimes by black people against white people. 

     

    White on white violent crime is the majority of all violent crime, and hands down the most of any race based crime. 

     

    Where's the outrage about white on white crime? 

     

     

     

     

     

     

    are you using TOTAL population numbers? im not sure what this is saying motor. its a given white people are going to be more violent...towards everyone including whites when they are a majority. is there a place on the planet this is not true?

     

    if we drill in deeper and are looking at men. the most likely cause of violence. we are talking less then 7%. 3.5 less likely becomes quite a bit different.

     

    all sorts of interesting ways to manipulate data but goose is right. its all meaningless unless given citation to analyze to see what people are doing with the data.

     

     

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  9. 12 hours ago, Chris farley said:

    Like the people putting their own chains back on to watch the shadows on the cave wall.  

     

    Crazy is how many know it's shadows.   But choose to stay glued to them 

     

    But yet  they scratch on the floor about how heavy the chains are.  

     

    my question is how/why so many older people are caught up in it all. luckily my gen was at the tail end of smartphone emergence. when staring at a computer screen all day made you a outcast/nerd. now its odd not to. for the gen that know segragation/racism/freedom very well. they certainly don't seem to be aware enough that they are pushing society back into it all under new names. i guess age and wisdom dont nec coincide as much as conformity. 

     

    those people that should know better are who are letting us down...they are all in charge.

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  10. i really think we are living in the matrix.

     

    society today is what happens when generations grows up with their face in a screen every minute of the day. a morphed worldview that focused on whatever induces a big reaction/on time/ad revenue. entire worldviews built on extremes. algorythms building everything you can't personally see and humans happy to be isolated with the bots who can create consensus. 10s of millions. how could so many be wrong. censorship so you never even know any other reality.

     

    imagine the National Enquirer being the nightly news your whole life and noone ever telling you its nothing but hyporbolic garbage. a huge digital community to back up this normal reality.

     

    i think that's why many can't be reasoned with. someone is trying to tell you the sky is red but you have seen the sky 100s of times in your phone. millions of heart emojis confirm it is blue. im not even going to bother to look up and anyone who suggests it should be flagged for misinformation. i think that's the reality of ALOT of people. would you want to listen to this red sky liar? we will see where this goes but its not looking good for western society.

     

    thats my random thought.

     

     

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  11. 3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

    combination of overindulgence and new computer.  gonna have to see if Amazon will take this lousy computer back..   MacBooks are way better.  On a positive note, a poster on the music thread said she loved me.  well, I certainly hope she is a she...

     

    its 2023 hope is all thats required now.

  12. 10 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

    Yes my typo vs your every post.  Spare me.  And it's Mr Professor Sir.

     

    Is English your 2nd language?  I mean I hate typing on my phone but...I manage most of the time.  Probably not if I take an ambien.  You taking ambien?  Washing them down with a couple beers?  

     

    Your knocking what Bill said when one of your examples is similar, you get that right?

    Yes oil impacts most of what we pay, not just at the pump.  Directly.   As does technology price increases.  Both when I buy things for myself and when every company I interact with increases their price to me because tech they bought was more expensive. The problem is Biden is only partially to blame for oil prices while Trump is 100% to blame for China (specifically those moronic tarriffs).

     

    I dislike Biden.  One reason is I wish he'd done more about gas prices.  Not because it's his fault but it's his job to fix it.  

     

     

     

     

     

    ouch. i didnt know you read my thoughts so often that you can critique my EVERY post. obviously i have to do better for my fan. ill make alot of typos like you but capitalize. try your best to read my shlog. if you can.

     

    You can't answer the question. I can literally name every presidential policy in human history and it will effect people at some point. good or bad. large or small segments. You choose a trade war as your reasoning as worst ever. while it did have a effect, its pretty weak. Obviously tariffs on China boosting the cost for products of their slave labor made your trips to Walmart seethe in rage. Sorry i did not notice a significant price jump. If i did I thought decades of imbalance in US trade policy with China was worth trying to adjust. Seeing as we are massive consumers and China picks and chooses what american products they decide to allow in their country. some of those allowed face big tariffs just to be in that market. Thats before they steal our intellectual property, manufacture under slave wages and sell back to Mr Professor at a discount. Good for Ron but not so much for american manufacturing. any price increase may have led to consumers choosing american made products that are at a competitive price. obviously a horrific mistake to try.

     

    Biden saw a similar problem. We made too much domestic oil. We need to stop doing that and immediately shift to a energy we have no infrastructure or rare earth minerals for. We also need to cower in fear and fire people for vaccines that do not work well. For years mind you. Me and my fellow citizens felt that immediately and hard. making new life decisions on food or gas every week is a bit different in my world. there are no alternatives. I am paid a decent wage but i know alot of people this is devastating to. no big deal to a tenured english teacher like yourself. 

     

    Its a difference of opinion i guess. You see global warming as a worthy cause. I see a opposing a growing nuclear powered adversary trade disadvantage as one. You couldn't buy cheap chinese products..as cheap. everyone on fixed income had to skip meals to get to work. you paid more for chinese products. We all pay more for every product. including chinese. you realize that right? Gas doubling in a weeks time. people losing their jobs in a day. direct negative "reprocushunz" to me, and you. if you look close you might say one is much worse.

     

    Bidens campaign promise was to end fossil fuels. executive orders on drilling domestically. Its only partially his fault? selling our reserve off. We were independent. sure. whatever you need to tell yourself with those facts in mind. 

     

    typos, missing indents on paragraphs aside i hope you can comprehend how stupid this comparison is. you may never live in a country that had the prices with the "worst president" presiding again. Am i still unclear on the difference or should i switch to my 3rd language?

     

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  13. 44 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

    Trump passed some things that personally helped me and other veterans.  

     

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/1158092/president-signs-bill-to-extend-veterans-choice-health-care-law/

     

    Perhaps you think veterans deserve less health care?

     

    I still don't like him and hope he never sets foot in the oval office again, but he done good on this one.

     

    well didnt he set prices on prescriptions like insulin near the end of his term. i believe i read biden reversed those agreements and then reworked them to take credit. id have to research that but i remember thinking is this just some reelection smoke and mirrors from trump because somthing that sounded really good was not covered..then the middle east peace agreements. i was like this is a big deal and the media is acting like its just some false campaign junk. but thats the media..and prob why "trump was the worst ever" keeps getting posted. im not sure how those agreements turned out in the long run. ill have to look into it.

     

    edit: judge blocked a executive order. good ol american judges. move like the wind on cheap drug prices. have to read the constitution 1000 times letter by letter for years to rule on executive orders to fire people without vax and boosters.  

     

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-drug-pricing/federal-judge-blocks-trump-administration-drug-pricing-rule-idUSKBN28X2II

     

    why i thought biden reversed it..no he just froze it...to be reviewed?? cant have that hit the market. might change this "worst president" i been hearing about. 🙄

     

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/biden-trump-drug-prices/index.html

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  14. 56 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

     

    I didn't like Trump either but come on man, W was far worse what with not reading the briefings before 9/11 and his Iraq War boondoggle which killed 8,000+ US troops/contractors (31,000+ injured) and 1,000,000+ brown people.

     

    But, I suppose you could have been born in 2009.

     

    i agree 100%. i pose the question to see if their is any honesty. if they felt no personal reprocussions then how can they say "worst ever"? the president today has definitely impacted their daily lives in negative ways but they will push it on excuses provided and keep pounding the drum that was drilled every day for four years. even though they have a clear reference now between being TOLD about a bad pres and being EFFECTED by a bad pres. 

     

    bush was def worse then trump. not sure how a argument can be made. on top of the lives and trillions in debt for war that was based on lies there was the wallstreet blank check bailout. sure clinton put in the policy but bush sat and watched that bubble grow while economist warned it was just a matter of time. 

     

    its pretty interesting thinking about the media during that time and how tame it was for a idiot whos warhawking vp ran the country. who knew the occupy wallstreet crowd would become the corporatist endless war crowd complete with admiration for a Cheney.

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    2 hours ago, BillStime said:

     

    You want to help define TRUMP POLICY?

     

    I mean - if Conald were still in office - Infrastructure would still be two weeks away, right?

     

    What about TrumpCare?  He promised that and never delivered.

     

    Who paid for the Wall that's falling apart?  Oh yeah, it certainly wasn't Mexico.

     

    Did his tax cuts for the rich and corporations negatively impact us? They sure did. Corporations used their tax cuts buying back shares over investing in American workers.

     

    Did Trump's trade war that he lost with China impact us? It sure did... 

     

    Should I go on?

     

     

    no you shouldnt go on. like i said i tryed this with you and this is what you give. 

     

    your listing things that trump didnt fix? biden passes a infrastructure deal that cost trillions of dollars and thats a trump policy that negatively effected you personally? a rotted infrastructure that was allowed to happen over decades..the entire time biden had power to address it as a career politician AND vp. this is a trump policy that negatively effected you?

     

    same goes with "trump care"? read above. so policies he never made is your example? what the hell are you talking about? he did work on bills to lower prescription prices. you act like his campaign promises have anything to due with a democrat loyalist. biden said he was going to bring the country together. the policy he never made is negativly effecting me cause you are still a billstime biden lover! im holding biden responsible for this broken campaign promise of a reply you gave lol 

     

    now this is great. billstime was in full support of the wall!? i had you all wrong.

     

    his corporate tax cuts negatively effected "us?" you sure? my company reinvested it to buy me a new stapler. its red. sorry you work for greedy pigs who bought back stocks. lol. your generalizing and really have no clue how you were effected by that. debt piling is something you personally applaud. i said negative effect personally.

     

    again trade war with china? that negativley effected you? 

     

    this!? this is what our board member who has a  trump is the worst president doctorate degree has to say when it comes to policy that effected him? policy he never made and hyporbolics on broad complex topics that never significantly touched you in any reasonable way? 

     

    ill give you a example. bidens has cost me personally and direct members of my family thousands of dollars due to his anti oil climate policy. executive order aka biden directly did this.

     

    bidens federal vaccination policy has been addopted by ny state. thousands of qualified healthcare workers have been fired. my grandfather has stage 4 Alzheimer's. he used to get a nurse provided to his home by ny state 5 days a week. that has been cut to 3 due to lack of employees. me and my family rotate to cover this. it has negativley effected me. executive order aka biden directly did this.

     

    THOSE are direct reprocussions of a failed presidents policies. 

     

    my side street still looks like $#[÷. thats getting fixed in 2 weeks you said? 😉

     

    should i go on?

     

    ill give credit. you tried. most dont answer because they understand the question

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  16. 26 minutes ago, BillStime said:

     

    Oh for heaven sakes - your question has been answered over and over and over and over again.

     

    There is LITTLE doubt that Trump and his administration was the most CORRUPT in our lifetime.

     

     

     

     

    i already tryed this with you mr. time. 

     

    but yes. this is the typical answer, when its attempted. so kuschner secretly stole campaign money. ill take this as absolute truth.

     

    that is not a trump policy that negatively effected you personally. 

     

    so much for over and over. still waiting on the first. for the description provided as satan on earth..especially by a guy infatuated like yourself. you have already not answered what should be the easiest question asked on the planet. i should get a list immediately. 

     

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  17. 3 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

    Trump is worse on all accounts.   ALL.  Biden is just a declining mummy.  It'll be your fault if Biden wins again too.  He'd fade away or lose if Trump was gone.

     

    all accounts? ALL? wow given the state of our country and this being said by every leftist known to man. i still haven't seen one back it with actual policy that negatively effected them personally. its all boils down to leftists wiping a singular shimmering tear from their eye as they describe a off putting  personality trait. 

     

    can you do it ron? are you the chosen one? 

     

    dont worry i fully expect this to get ignored but i have posed this question to every leftist board members on here so hoping you are the one that can offer insight on what trump actually did to people while in office and not what he said. 

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    1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

     

    Whenever I hear of drag queen story hour in schools or teaching things such as CRT, I wonder what they're taking out of the school day to put this in?  its not like American public schools are knocking it out of the park teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic leaving  extra time for this other stuff.  Something's gotta give.  What is it?

     

     

    if crt is such a important topic then why not teach it in a afternoon school program. im guessing no one would show up. if this gender identity crap was just legitimate subject with nothing strange going on. you'd have parental opt in sheets. if you weren't afraid of your lesson plans you'd have syllabus printed in the beginning of the year. 

     

    they know this doesnt belong in schools. they know parents would rather their kids learn ordinary subjects or none of this would be not be forced on classes during regular times and so secretive. its very easy to see by the actions that leftists are running cover with constant excuses of why all this is necessary to do. none of it is. 

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  19. 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

    And how does the administration in Washington regard parents that raise objections to school boards and libraries about inappropriate topics and material for young children?  At the request of powerful teachers unions, as extremists and terrorists that the DOJ concludes will requires investigation by the FBI.  So send in the storm troopers to push around parents with threats of violence and criminal charges but hands off the purveyors of sexual exploitation of young children in schools?  That hardly feels like a fair and balanced approach to the issues.  Which leaves it up to grass roots parenting movements going up against big money backed liberal PAC's and State and local governments stepping in to fight the Federal agencies, with of course, the media is waiting in the wings to demonize anyone that resists the movement.    

     

     

     

     

    exactly. the left keeps talking about "fringe". i dont approve its just the loud minority. no if the top levels of washington are advocating and sicking military type operations on parents. id say that is no longer "fringe".

     

    people arent going to just take it. when we are talking about peoples families and children i am very suprised that we arent seeing more violent types of reactions. i certainly hope not. but keep poking with a stick. keep pushing people into corners on issues with family and your playing with very serious fire. 

     

    there are only so many ways to warn someone. LEAVE PEOPLES CHILDREN OUT OF THIS WOKE POLITICAL CULTURE WAR CRAP. PERIOD. be as enclusive and woke as you want but please stop pushing that s#it on everyone else especially their kids. its either going to result in laws you dont like getting made that noone really wants but is necessary. if that doesnt work and they still do it people are going to say f it i tried the resposable thing..now im going to take it in my own hands. you keep declaring the country is brimming with  "far right terrorists" and we are talking about people with no political affiliation that are forced into taking a side because people can't just admit their side has gone to far.

     

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  20. 16 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

     

    The problem with these laws, aside from the idea of the government criminalizing books (which is a huge deal that conservatives should oppose), is that they are often vague to the point that it is not readily apparent how to comply with it.

     

    There was a photo going around a while ago with empty bookshelves. Liberals decried it as DeSantis goal for schools while Conservatives said it was a hoax. The reality is that when you have these types of laws, it's not always apparent how to be in compliance. To avoid criminal charges, the school removed all books temporarily until they could be reviewed by the government censors. These laws are going to result in people being overly cautious and self-censoring if they're not 100% sure about a specific book. If you choice is keeping one more book off the shelf or potentially being charged with a crime, you're not likely to stock that book.

     

    Also, what are you going to do if you have a precocious child who is reading above their grade level? A very smart 12 year old can probably handle The Handmaid's Tale, but no librarian is going to make it available to them if they could be charged with a crime for doing so. 

     

    And maybe people support this idea because it's their side writing the laws about which books are crimes. But would you still support government criminalization of books if it was being done by the most lefty pinko commies around? Would you support a ban on any books that mention the founding fathers but doesn't include that they were slaveholders? How about a ban on books whose characters are not sufficiently diverse? Should a librarian be charged with a crime if they stock a book that doesn't have enough minority characters?

     

    It still blows my mind that conservatives are arguing for government book censors. 

     

    as i stated i wish a law like this wasnt needed and if vague needs to be refined. maybe a simple rating system the same way movies has and clear age range given. 

     

    you seem to be really concerned about the law, its implementation and effects. i agree if its ambiguity is causing issues. but i also accept that there were to many demented examples of sick people in schools giving kids access to things that are completely inappropriate. it was happening so much it could easily be construed as a trend. a trend the left seemed unbothered by and in many instances endorsed. this is what happens alot. the left pushes things far past the boundaries of common sense reasoning and then only gets outraged at the reaction by the right. 

     

    the left "under the guise of inclusion" has advocated the exact playbook of pedophile groomers and found a way to justify it. 

     

    approaching children with subjects on sexuality they are to young to understand. check.

     

    isolating the child and promoting secrecy about these topics. check

     

    telling the child they are the ones who understand noone else will so come to them. check

     

    inviting them to participate in adult activities ie drag shows. check.

     

    now there are certainly alot of examples that were not in these catagories but that doesnt change the fact they are happening and they are adjacent. democrats put them ALL as innocent nothing to see here and advocated it all. 

     

    what do you expect to happen here? you think parents are not going to want to be sure their kid is exposed to any of this. of coarse they will and that gives the only people firmly on the parents side the ability to go in a draft laws like the one your talking about. this didnt come out of the blue. it could have been avoided if the left agreed with everyone else. but just as you have shown in this thread you are more concerned about the response then you are about the actions that led to it. its was all ok and perfectly normal. just  conservatives lies and misinformation on perfectly innocent behavior without research the real examples of depravity that have been sent to you in this very thread. 

     

    you say if ponography is getting distributed. arrest them. thats not addressing the complete cover given for somthing like that more easily happen and even giving the excuse of...its educational.

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  21. 4 hours ago, ChiGoose said:


    The problem is making it a crime.
     

    In a sane world, you could have Handmaiden’s Tale in a school library where a teen could check it out. If a librarian let a 6 year old take it, then the librarian could be disciplined. But at no point has anyone committed a crime. 
     

    If someone provides actual pornography to kids, then that person can already be charged with a crime under existing law. 

     

    this we absolutely agree on. in a sane world the librarian would be a adult and so would the teacher to be responsable enough to not expose children to obscenity. just like a bartender. just like a ticket stub attendant. example after example is showing that inclusivity and virtue signaling is now more important then being responsible, and decent human being when it comed to the care other peoples children. they just HAVE to expose children to alternative life choices and flat out disgusting things. in their warped minds if they dont do it then that child will become a bigot and they will just be a ordinary teacher. activism! they also have thoughts that parents can't be trusted to teach there kids at a appropriate time/age. its up to them alone! its twisted that this is also the exact way pedos groom kids. secrecy. introduction to adult topics based on sex. running perfect cover for those, and they do exist in schools, scum of the earth. 

     

    either way nothing is banned. its simply not EASILY accessible  WHICH IT SHOULD NOT BE. if they simply cannot help themselves even when a law is in place...which we both agree should not be necessary..there is somthing extremely wrong with that person and it should bring about attention of people outside the situation. parents, police i dont care but thats a urge that needs investigation. if nothing is wrong then i doubt someone being charged for innocent mistakes. ill see proof of otherwise as it is a concern but as of now its a empty concern to run cover.

     

    id hope most teachers librarians are not so deranged they would ever have to worry about a law that doesn't apply to them. the fact a law needs to exist is the left pushing it past a point of with the combination of sex/drag queens/hiding things from parents/advocation of transitioning young is going to get backlash. alot of the issues the left says about the right is this fact. at least its in a form of the law and not worse, violence from people on staff. we are after all talking about peoples children. dont like the law then take the side of rational people that want it away from kids and it will not head to more states.

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  22. 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:


    Beloved is pornography? The Handmaid’s Tale is pornography? Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West is pornography? Those books have been banned in compliance with Florida’s new censorship law.

     

    There are laws against distributing pornography to minors. If that’s actually what is happening, arrest the perpetrators. We don’t need a new law for it, they can be charged under existing law.

     

    My point is that we shouldn’t criminalize books. That’s it. If you think someone is giving porn to kids, then report them to the police. These laws aren’t about protecting kids. We already have laws in place to do that. These laws exist solely to gain political support and dupe people. 

     

     

    ok well handmaids tale premise is women are routinely raped.  what age do you think that story is appropriate? whatever your answer what makes that correct for someone elses child? whatever answer can these "banned" books be picked up at a bookstore? if it can its not banned at all. its just not supplied at a school library PUBLIC school aka gov funded so gov is already involved for unsupervised children to take or deranged teachers to assign to other peoples children knowing it is innapropriate 

     

    thats it. thats the crux of the hysteria is florida is removing questionable books that may be age inappropriate..and as been talked about in earlier replies most likely is washed out because there are far more sick examples that people and misguided teachers ARE DEMANDING be available or assigned under the darkness of night. a teacher desperately wants a story of rape to be in the curriculum? inform the parents to go buy the book. but that is a problem i guess because then the parents have no choice but to be aware of what it is that is being assigned when they go and get it from a section or bookstore that def is not the childrens section.

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  23. 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

     

    You're trying to use reasoned discussion with a commie.

     

    But still,  thanks for the post.

     

    well its not for him particularly. it would be nice for him to see which side he really stands on but its not my first try so never had expectations. its for any lurkers who see these rationalizations and push back with facts and reasoning. simply blowing them off is what i would think society as a whole would do but even somthing so simple as not wanting kids exposed to sexuality at a young age has a built in mainstream narrative for them to follow so it doesnt come off as insane. level headed debate is the answer imo if you want to have moderate people who arent paying attention see where we are. otherwise THEY come off as the calm logical one and your just a guy insulting them. 

     

    just my 2 cents. could be wrong. people dont seem to care much when they threaten and trap a young woman who is simply trying to defend womens rights and spaces. just give the aggressors a empathetic backing and anything is justifiable at this point. ( far right transphobic speaker is confronted by pro lgb mob). so im prob giving to much credit toward society being rational about anything anymore. 

     

     

     

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