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I mean... he sure fits the athleticism mould McBeane looks for.
And 5 sacks in the 8 games he started after all the Washington trades are impressive.
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20 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Yeah yeah, you argued that Ken Dorsey was gonna get better in year two, but now arguing Monken isn’t gonna get better in year two. Ooookay bro.
That was easy... thanks for proving my point
20 minutes ago, FireChans said:you can lead us a horse to water, but you can’t get him to admit that the Tyrod Taylor saga should have made him look his Bills opinions in the mirror.
We all get things wrong. It's the human condition.
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11 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Every team in the NFL had injured players who they expect to be better in 2024 as well. That’s another whiff.
Did every one have 2 All-Pro starters knocked out most of the year and another HOF starter who was still clearly hampered by an injury the year before?
Actually... 2 All-Pro starters and one Pro-Bowl level starter. Forgot about Tre White, who was back to form to start the season.
11 minutes ago, FireChans said:For every player who is young and developing, another player is getting older and slower.
And Joe Brady gets another year. Todd Monken gets another year too. He’s not an unknown commodity either.
Monken already had a full offseason to prepare and implement his own offense.
These 2 situations aren't the same and you know it. This wreaks of someone just desperately trying to win an argument hoping no one blows down his Straw Men.
11 minutes ago, FireChans said:do you really not see the generalizability of all of these arguments?
It’s not just for every team. You could say this EVERY YEAR. Kaiir Elam is developing and is gonna be better in year two. Tre White will be healthy in 2023 two years after his ACL.
Again... no. You're comparing apples and oranges, but especially with that Monken comparison you're just painting the orange red and hoping no one takes a bite.
Monken was hired as OC 7 months before the 2023 season. Brady became interim OC 2 months into the season.
Comparing those 2 and using that as one of your primary arguments is where your house of cards falls apart.
8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:Um... no. I DID take it.
I see that you named terms for yourself, but never gave me any... what am I supposed to do?
EVERYONE, I WAS 100% WRONG ON TRE WHITE ABSOLUTELY BEING ON THE BILLS ROSTER IN 2024!!!
There ya go
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20 hours ago, FireChans said:
@transplantbillsfan not to put too fine a point on it, but I’m going to create a character for you. His name is transplantravensfan. Here is his thoughts on the 2024 Ravens.
”I think it’s pretty clear that the Ravens are already better in 2024.
QB - BETTER (Lamar gets another year with experience in Monken’s system. Safe to say this will only grow and help him perform even better than his MVP year. We also added Josh Johnson as backup who is Lamar Lite.)
RB - BETTER (Henry is a star RB and Dobbins was always hurt. Gus was nothing special)
WR - BETTER (Getting rid of Odell was addition by subtraction, he was clogging up targets for our younger guys. Zay Flowers had a great rookie year and is primed to be even better this year)
OL - BETTER (Retaining all the same young guys who are only gonna keep building chemistry, and again, more experience in the Monken system)
DL - BETTER (Locked up Madubuike who is a rising star on the DL and is only going to get better)
LB - PUSH OR BETTER (Lost Patrick Queen, but we had already traded for Roquan who was a way better player because Queen wasn’t good enough, but we have Trent Simpson our ILB in waiting who was a third round pick who has a year of experience learning the system, I think he’s gonna rise to the occasion)
DB - BETTER OR PUSH (Kyle Hamilton is a rising star and is only going to keep getting better. Rock Ya Sin is still a pending FA and I’m hoping we can bring him back on a cheap deal because he was decent last year, but even if we get a rookie or two, we have Humphrey as a vet to help lead them.)
ST - SAME (We have the best kicker in the league and Harbaugh always has a pretty good to great ST unit)
So there you have it. I think the Ravens are going to be better pretty much all around next year. We were already in the conference championship, which means next step is the Super Bowl!!!”
Just to be clear, I don’t follow the Ravens that closely. It took me 5 minutes and their Spotrac page. Do you see how little analysis that actually is?
It weak. And again you just seem to latch onto singular ideas rather than bigger picture stuff.
20 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Was that you I offered the bet to? And you never took it... too bad
13 hours ago, zow2 said:It is my personal belief that if Buffalo was to win a Super Bowl in this McDermott, Allen, Beane era....they would have done so already. They've had some really good teams, possibly the best teams in the league for a few of these seasons if you look at overall metrics.
I do not believe they will be better in 2024. If they win a Super Bowl in 2024 or beyond I think it's because they will luck into it much like some other teams have done over the years.
Every Super Bowl winner gets a lot of luck.
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20 hours ago, FireChans said:
See, it’s not about being a homer. It’s about completely ignoring the rest of the NFL in the context of your evaluations. It’s just myopia.
Is it reasonable to expect some improvement out of Torrence after his rookie season? Absolutely. Makes total sense. He had a very promising rookie season (even though he kinda hit a wall towards the end of the season), he started every game, that’s all wonderful.
But every single team in the NFL has a rookie/young player they expect to be better than last year. Some of them will be. Some, inexplicably, won’t be. And that’s every rookie/young player at every position.
So really, saying the OL will be “better” when we cut a pretty quality starting C, shuffled a good G to a position he never played serious snaps at the NFL level, and shuffled a backup LG on this team to start (who would’ve been starting at LG if he was better than McGovern) is based on…. Torrence getting better. But every team thinks their young DT’s will be better. So what are we talking about?
Is it possible that both McGovern and Edwards reach new heights next year? Sure. Is it more possible that they are who they are? Absolutely.
If there’s some compelling reasons outside of “our young players will only get better and build chemistry which is why the Bills will be better” that’s one thing. But when every single team can say the same thing, it’s kinda worthless.
Hmmm... did I say young players getting better was the only reason? You seem to be latching strictly to that.
Getting a healthy Von, Jones and Milano back is huge, as well. I'd say adding 3 now healthy players in 2024, 2 of whom were playing at game-wrecking All-Pro levels early last season and the other who was basically playing at that level up to the end of 2022 is a pretty big upgrade from 2023.
And everyone needs to spare me the "Von is done" argument. I know right now @GunnerBill is arguing that the chances that Von Miller isn't totally shot is something like 5%. It's a ridiculous argument. Torn ACLs aren't oil changes. Players constantly say they don't feel back to themselves until their 2nd year back. Yes, there are exceptions, but that’s all they are. Just ask Tre White.
Also, the Bills traded for Rasul Douglas halfway through the season and now he'll have a full offseason with the team. Same idea basically goes for Ty Johnson who came in late and didn't get the opportunity to play for awhile.
Heck the same theory goes for Joe Brady. We all liked what he did when he had to pivot on a dime into the OC role while using someone else's playbook. Now he gets an entire offseason to examine the weapons he has and figure out how to best utilize him. And Brady isn't an unknown commodity as an Offensive Coordinator like Dorsey was... he has experience and he has success.
What I sense you're doing right now is just moving the goalposts. It seems before you were arguing that the Bills roster will be worse, but now you're saying that sure, they might be better, but so will everyone else.
Is that your argument?
If so... and if you're latching to the "young guys developing" or "another year of chemistry with Josh Allen" then I count 4 rookie contract players (3 starters and 1 rotational guy who I think is about to be used as an X-factor) who are almost guaranteed to be better (Shakir, Torrence, Kincaid, & Bernard... and frankly I'd probably put Elam in this bucket) and 3 others who already played at a really high level in 2023, but I also think are very likely to be better (Bernard, Benford & Brown).
Are you sure you can find 7 similar rookie contract players on other teams?
And again... that wasn't my only cause for improvement.
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The Bills are making moves.
Ty Johnson back upgrades our RB corps from the beginning of the year considering how late he joined us last year.
I think Curtis Samuel brings some serious juice to a meh WR corps along with a lot of creativity. Watched his highlights because I've never really watched him before. In particular I watched the year he was with Joe Brady in Carolina.
Truly is Deebo light. Ran multiple times and for multiple TDs out of the backfield. Although I still think/want a WR early in the draft, I think our WR corps has already been upgraded with the subtraction of Gabe, Harty and Sherfield and the addition of Hollins and Samuel.
One week into FA... this is pre-draft and with Blackmon currently visiting and a bunch of CAP space cleared, here's very simply the way I'll assess every position. Is it "better" or "worse" overall at this very moment. Better vs worse is NOT only determined by personnel, though. It's also determined by experience & chemistry building (like for Bernard, Cook, Shakir, Kincaid, & Torrence) and health (Josh, Milano & Jones)
Feel free to disagree
Coaching- BETTER
QB- BETTER
RB- BETTER (even if we only had 2, which we won't)
TE- BETTER
WR- BETTER
OL- undecided (I honestly lean towards better, but I know I'd be called a homer. Center and LG are question marks, but I also think the right side of the line will be better)
DE- BETTER (Already know I'll get pushback here based on Von. I will disagree. I really think Jonathan and Kline would be fine at #4 & #5
DT- WORSE (based on depth)
LB- BETTER
CB- BETTER
SAFETY- WORSE (but honestly... if Blackmon signs and it's Blackmon and Rapp I lean better)
PUNTER- same
KICKER- BETTER
Special Teams- worse
So without a draft or a bunch of offseason acquisitions, unless you disagree with those assessments (and I embrace the discourse), I fail to see how this team will be worsenin 2024, barring significant injuries to its most important players.
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Watched his highlights because I've never really watched him before. In particular I watched the year he was with Joe Brady in Carolina.
Truly is Deebo light. Ran multiple times and for multiple TDs out of the backfield. Although I still think/want a WR early in the draft, I think our WR corps has already been upgraded with the subtraction of Gabe, Harty and Sherfield and the addition of Hollins and Samuel.
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On 3/14/2024 at 7:34 AM, oldmanfan said:
Somewhere between picks 4-8 Roger walks up to the microphone and announces: We have a trade. Buffalo has traded (a small boatload of picks) to (team to be named) and is now on the clock. And we get one of the top 3 rated WRs in the draft.
Beane and McD have said they need to get more explosive. And they’ll do that by getting more explosive with their moves to draft an explosive WR for Josh.
That would obviously be for Odunze... maybe Nabers.
In 2011 when the Falcons traded up from 27 to 6, they gave up 5 draft picks: 2011 1st, 2nd & 4th round picks and 2012 1st & 4th.
I know Beane loves trading up, but I absolutely can't see that happening. The outside outside thing I wonder about is Daboll, Schoein and the Giants sitting there at #6.
How much does Daboll like Diggs? Would it be possible to rework Diggs's contract so it would be possible to trade him as part of a package that doesn't consist of an early draft pick next year?
I absolutely don't think it happens because I really believe McBeane still think Diggs is a #1 and they're trying to retool this year while still winning, but that’s the only scenario I see where this is a non-zero chance.
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23 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:
The movie Ricky Stanicky on Prime is sort of cheesy, but I had more than a few genuine belly laughs. Worth a watch if you’re looking for something light.
I thought it was hilarious! John Cena's best work and the stuff involving William H Macy was Gold!
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Guys... just ignore him.
What Diggs does isn't any different than what Dion did with his contract. Diggs just likes playing the long game.
Diggs is a Bill in 2024 and based on the Dead CAP 2025, too.
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2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
lol there you go.
Anyway...Davis's dropped 3 balls for a drop rate of 3.7 this season--easily his lowest. Diggs had 5 for a drop rate of 5%.
INT's? Allen has thrown 47 of them in the past 3 seasons (4 on target to Diggs this year).....but Davis was the problem? God love him but Josh had a LOT of communication problems it seemed this year....Davis was on the "receiving" end of a lot of them.
Interesting. Is Gabe a relative? Some of the miscommunication plays may have been somewhat on Josh, but objectively the VAST majority of plays involving miscommunication in 2023 were between Josh and Gabe. I can't find the advanced stats and I think Joe Marino finds them through a paid PFF subscription, but Josh's passer rating this year was AWFUL when targeting Gabe. It was in the low 70s if I remember correctly from his podcast.
Go ahead... pin all of that on Josh... it'll say a lot about you
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18 hours ago, FireChans said:
I mean, you could make the same kind of comments about the Bills organization. We have been a joke for about 20 years straight, and signed our own death warrant trading the Mahomes pick to an in conference team to torment us.
Yeah it would be the same pre-McBeane. Not anymore, obviously
18 hours ago, FireChans said:You’re saying maybe a rookie S. Who is playing FS in our system, if not a rookie S? Hamlin? That makes our S group very very very bad.
We all felt that way when we brought Jordan Poyer in as our SS.
Look at Sean McDermott's history coaching Safety. You don't have to trust him. I do.
15 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:Open your eyes homeboy. Take a look at who else they secured this offseason FA. They got some top players that were available and are noted as having the third strongest FA period along with JAX and the Texans.
Tua is still their QB, right?
15 hours ago, Trogdor said:Slot wasn't the problem...
And??? Samuel plays all over the place.
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18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Shakir is already better than Davis is pretty out there as a take. There is less than a year between them in age and about 2,000 yards and 25 touchdowns in production.
Nah... it's an issue of utilization. Shakir wasn't utilized much at all in the first half of the season. Then he was. Everyone knows what Gabe is... it's not like we had to discover he was a _________ player.
Who was better over the 2nd half of the season. Not even an argument, right?
18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:the Davis takes over time, out of necessity (due to the hill his detractors insisted on dying on), grew consistently more "out there".
Pretty much all they had at the end was "but, but....catch%!!!"
That and the inability to be on the same page with Josh, which I was more disappointed in this season.
There are multiple interceptions and missed big plays including TDs from 2023 that were on plays where Josh and Gabe clearly weren't on the same page.
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18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
What context do you want? Davis put up that type of play for 3 of his 4 years. You think a rookie will immediately replace that? Shakir still hasn't. He might be, but he hasn't been yet. You simply tossed out "Shakir is already better"....no context.
Career reception % when targeted
Gabe: 54.5%
Shakir: 75.4%
And if you want an argument about context regarding recency, here are those same stats just for 2023:
Gabe: 55.5%
Shakir: 86.7%
Gabe's biggest problem from day 1 has been drops. As we saw this past year, it's also a lack of connection with his QB.
Happy he's gone.
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6 hours ago, Steptide said:
I agree. Signing Samuel makes me think they'll only take one wr in the draft, which I'm ok with if they get a top prospect. No round 2 or 3 guys
In this draft a round 2 WR might still be a future #1. I could see guys like Legette, Coleman and Franklin being picked up in the 2nd by Buffalo.
Deep draft. Round 1 or 2 and we should all be excited.
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9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
If they draft a rookie WR who will have 7 TDs and 750-800 and 1st downs on 75% of his catches that would be great.
But Davis was the best WR Beane has drafted.
Nah, Shakir is already better.
And PLEASE don't spew out stats without context in disagreement
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14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
Why do you feel you have special insight that the entirety of "national media" doesn't have?
Why is the fact that the Bills have inexperienced young/energetic (according to the "media"--would that be "the national media"? lol) a benefit?
Elam made "a" big play. Otherwise, it seems McD thinks little of this kid. Milano tore his ACL and broke his leg. What in your experience allows you to conclude that combination of injuries "does not linger"?
Honest question: do you ever listen to national sports media???
Wait, better question: do you pay attention to what the national sports media says about team rosters outside of the stars???
Do it from now on. They make so many mistakes so often that you can tell the wide, vast majority of them don't know much. Too many slip ups on things like play style, strengths and weaknesses of players that you'll almost miss if you aren't paying attention.
13 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:The top team are improving and we are falling behind. If we even have just an average draft we will probably be rebuilding in 2025. McD look outmatched in the playoffs and is a few steps behind when making adjustments.
If this year goes how I predict get ready for the media to say Josh Allen’s career is being wasted in Buffalo.
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14 hours ago, FireChans said:
that’s both true. However, you said that 5 or 6 of our drafts picks could be serious contributors in 2024. That’s very unlikely and a bad plan. If that happened, it’s probably the best draft in Bills history.Developmental depth doesn’t make your team better than solid experienced vets. That’s why they are called “developmental.” Because they suck and you are trying to develop them into not sucking.
Ultimately, that is the fatal flaw in your premise. Yes, the Bills need to and will get much younger. That’s exciting. However this will make them a worse team in 2024. Probably not by much, but unless they have an unbelievable draft class, it’s pretty much guaranteed to be worse.
Serious contributor doesn't mean they have to start. Buffalo rotates its DL a ton so you're probably going to expect a rookie DE and rookie DT. That's 2. Then it'll be a rookie WR. That's 3. Rookie short yardage RB to round our the trio. That's 4. Maybe a rookie Safety would be 4.
So that would be 2 starters and 3 guys who are "depth" but serious contributors.
And totally disagree this roster is guaranteed to be worse. With the Samuel signing now our WR corps is already better. And we'll still get one of those early.
14 hours ago, FireChans said:Sherfield dropped gigantic passes in our playoff loss to KC. He’s a bum, so what do you expect, but he played a large role in the loss.
anyway, Gabe signed a big deal and I don’t think Trent is on a team, so it sounds like no NFL team was slavering over his 1 seven yard reception in the postseason.
Wow, Gabe got signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
You're right... that's a stellar organization with a long history of great decision, making he got signed by. We made a mistake letting him go
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Are any of the contract details out?
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This thread is irritating because it's obviously not accurate
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44 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Well, we all know that you thought Sherfield was gonna be a big WR contributor in the postseason.
For those keeping score at home, Trent finished his postseason with 3 targets, 1 catch and 7 total yards. So maybe you aren't the bees knees at WR e v a l.
Honestly... I stand by that. I wish we did trade Gabe and just let Sherfield roll in as the #2 because we would have had all the blocking and Sherfield's catch % throughout his career has been much higher than Gabe's.
I can't remember if it was a Sherfield interview I was listening to or a podcast but there was some frustration on his part in his lack of use in the offense. He got very few reps throughout the year.
But did you notice how our offense started humming after Gabe got hurt against Pittsburgh and Sherfield came in???
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1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:
It doesn’t happen for another six week chumpweeks
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5 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:
Realistically how much is going to change roster wise that's going to significantly make the team better? A lot of big names in Free Agency are gone, and rookies more often than not don't make an impact in their first season.
This team will still be a playoff team as the rest of the division isn't good but they most likely are closer to a 10 win team than a 13 win team.
Rookies at certain positions actually frequently have an immediate impact. One of those positions is WR, which will almost certainly be one of our first draft choices.
RBs do, too. One of our 3 RBs this year will also likely be a rookie.
4 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:McD doesnt really play the rookies much. The only downside I see.
Allen, Edmunds, Milano, Taron, Dion, Tre, Oliver, Knox, Gabe, Moss, Benford, Kincaid, Groot, etc. all beg to differ
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Why did we sign Haack????