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Weird. Maybe we just see what we want to see because what I saw from Lynn was an inclusion of more of your standard shallow and deep crossing patterns over the middle, not less, and I saw Taylor execute those plays with greater efficiency than he did with Roman. Taylor's numbers "over the middle" (via PFF and ESPN) seem to indicate that as well. Oh I saw the comeback and sideline routes, too, but it's interesting that you think those increased rather than decreased with Lynn.

Top 10, not top 5...? Yeah, very doable. If all yards counted, why do posters in the "TT sucks" camp not bother to give him equal or even significant credit for those rushing yards? I agree that all yards matter. That's why I talked about all of them in the OP.

Wow... talk about a guy who flip flops positions like a politician... I'm not even going to explain that statement. You should be able to figure out why it's such a head scratcher based on your own recent statements about our own QB. Will Thurman#1 ignore a question of his own failed logic or come up with an overwhelmingly convoluted response in an attempt to lose everyone as he tend to or will he admit that his logic is flawed... Tune in tomorrow!!!

Jesus... Fitz had a pretty long NFL career as a stopgap starter for good reason. EJ really is one of the worst QB to get prolonged action as a starter. Ridiculous thread.

No. I'm not.

Whatever dude... keep those low expectations so you won't be disappointed. Anti-homers are as bad as homers.

They're on our team, right?

Rapid decline? What the hell are you talking about? Kyle was fantastic last year and showed no signs of slowing down.

Wait... Hughes, Dareus, Kyle Williams, Micah Hyde, Darby... maybe Ragland and Lawson... All those guys have been pretty close to Elite players recently... heck, toss Alexander in there last year, too. What do you think we have on this defense? Scrubs?

But what did his defense do 2 years ago? I understand your position, though.

By that definition...? Who wouldn't define a "run" as winning at least a couple games? Considering our new HC and what he did 2 years ago on defense, I have hope.

Except for the fact that the guy I responded to directly referenced Jim Kelly, a 1st ballot HOFer. So some form of a comparison was being made of Taylor to a 1st ballot HOFer. No straw man, whatsoever, except for all the straws you're grasping at now.... BAAAZIINNNG!!!!

A playoff run is winning a couple playoff games, unless you have your own definition. If you're good enough to get to the conference championship, anything can happen regarding getting to the Super Bowl.

Yeah... that's what's going to happen when you have Sammy healthy for 12/14 games you play in 2015 vs a hobbled Sammy in only 7/15 games in 2016. Do people honestly not understand this? Taylor is not Brady. He's not going to elevate the guys around him. Those guys are incredibly rare and if that's the bar you're setting, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. But what Taylor might be (and there's evidence to support this) is a guy whose play itself will be more than adequate for a serious playoff run if he has some legitimate, healthy weapons and an above average (not Elite, but definitely above average) defense. This team has been snakebit in so many ways. Just gotta hope it stops. As I just said, everyone who has their bar set at "1st ballot HOFer" like Kelly or Brady should brace themselves for likely being disappointed for the rest of their lives. That's a mighty high bar. And it's unnecessary for it to be that high.

Clock is ticking for everyone. Clearly you don't have a clue how much longer Taylor will be in Buffalo, though. Remember how stupidly adamant you were that he'd be gone and how giddy and excited you were about insulting those of us who thought he'd be back? You can "lol" all you want about Taylor vs Wentz. Taylor outplayed Wentz in 2016, so I don't know why you would arrogantly call people out if they chose Taylor over him. Wentz might very well have an RG3 nosedive. Who knows?

I gotta say people are too quick to label players. Remember what seems like ages ago now when Ryan Tannehill and Colin Kaepernick and RG3 were constantly called "Elite" and Kirk Cousins was one of the worst QBs in football? I'm sorry, but we're too quick to put these types of labels on players. It's utterly ridiculous to do it after one year. Wentz has the potential, that doesn't mean he's going to meet it. He could bomb out like rg3 or Kaep. And the fact that Taylor has almost 2 full NFL seasons under his belt and has been at the very least a competent NFL starter indicates Taylor has more potential, too. He could improve drastically like Cousins did. In a vacuum, I take Wentz. But it's not as cut and dry as you're making it and not a quick decision.

264/415 (63.6%), 3430 yards, 8.3 YPA, 27 TDs, 6 INTs with a Passer Rating of 105.2 vs 248/402 (61.7%), 2628 yards, 6.5 YPA, 10 TDs, 6 INTs with a Passer Rating of 82.8 One of those is Taylor's numbers with a real #1 & #2 NFL WR in Watkins and Woods. The other is with one or both missing. Guess which is which... *Hint* It makes your post foolish

Saying something is a fact doesn't actually make an opinion a fact. You know that, right?

Thanks man... much appreciated! I'm really not going to start threads much at all over here since I know the general animosity some posters have towards the subject, even over here. That's why I just concentrated all my efforts into a single long thread. Any other stats I find and/or compile I'll just stick here.

Yes, it was also widely reported that the Bills would inevitably be moving on from Tyrod and finding a new QB when last season ended. How did that work out? I'm actually really surprised those guys have jobs because it's really just mostly a joke.

I do. All the time. I love it. And I do it sporadically and randomly for other NFL QBs as well because it's good to have a feel for what other NFL QBs are doing when you're arguing about your own QB. Do you?

Well, draw your own conclusions, but in the games where Taylor had both Sammy and Woods playing over 2 seasons, his stats were: 264/415 (63.6%), 3430 yards, 8.3 YPA, 27 TDs, 6 INTs with a Passer Rating of 105.2 vs games without at least 1 of them, his stats were: 248/402 (61.7%), 2628 yards, 6.5 YPA, 10 TDs, 6 INTs with a Passer Rating of 82.8 Almost the exact same number of attempts in 2 years with both Woods and Watkins on the field together as without. Look at the difference.

Dude, seriously? Like I said, take a breath and turn your world sideways because that's what you need to do in what you're saying here. Your obsession is the 4 yards going horizontally inside from the numbers. That was what I was talking about in the post you responded to and you turn the argument sideways as though I was talking vertically. Saying more isn't always better. You have a tendency to get lost in what you say. It's okay, it happens to me sometimes, too. I'll admit when it happens to me, though. You don't.

Thurm, on page 5 you ask why I bring up YAC. I think you need to breathe sometimes in the middle of spewing all of this out. Think about it, Taylor has the 3rd highest YPA out of all those QBs, which is calculated very simply: Total Passing yards / Total Passing attempts = YPA. With all those other QBs like Rodgers, Newton, Carr, Mariota, etc. accumulating less YPA over the middle of the field, it means that when they throw to the middle, they accumulated fewer yards than Taylor. So, logically, with Taylor's WRs getting some of the lowest YAC in the NFL, there aren't many reasonable conclusions. Either Taylor threw the ball to the deep and intermediate middle and completed his passes more frequently and efficiently in terms of the % of those total "middle" passes (behind the LOS, short, middle, and deep combined) than those other guys or the throws to the deep and intermediate middle of the field were the one area of the field where WRs got tons of YAC for Buffalo. And your focus on that middle 33.33% is comical at this point and really misses the mark if you can't provide data or any evidence whatsoever comparatively for other QBs in the NFL, not just Taylor. Considering that there's data out there for between the hashes (ESPN) and between the numbers (PFF) that demonstrate that Taylor is at the very least NFL competent throwing to the deep and intermediate middle of the field (he has a 120.4 Passer Rating and a 60.6% completion % in 2016 there, according to PFF), your obsession over the place where Taylor has a problem throwing (that fraction of the field that's excluded by PFF "inside the numbers"... those 3-4 yards your talking about) is 14% of the field. That's it. What were you saying about that 11.5625% of the field I brought up? We have evidence, across the NFL, for that 11.5625% of the field. We have tons of PFF passing charts you can easily find on the Internet that access that 47.5% of the field I referred to. Your saying Taylor's just fine throwing the ball between the hashes (which ESPN's evidence points to when you compare him with other NFL QBs) and is just fine throwing the ball inside the numbers up to about 3-4 yards (which PFF's evidence points to), but he's just absolutely terrible when throwing the football to a span of the field totaling about 7.4 yards. 14% of the field. That's your obsession. And it might not even need to be. All you gotta do is go do another study (yep, suggesting another one you'll need to do to make a complete and legitimate argument) and go out and chart every NFL QB to that "middle third" you already say you did for Taylor in 2015.

Why on earth would I do a study of something that's your own incomplete and flawed argument? It reminds me of last summer when you constantly brought up how the deep middle third of the field was a huge problem for Taylor. The central aspect of your argument was that QBs need to throw to all sides of the field evenly to become less predictable. Your argument was about frequency. I remember it very, very well. Last Summer I did the work you should have done yourself. I went across the NFL and found every passing chart I could find for ever QB I could find. Do you remember what I found? I'm not asking that as a rhetorical question, because your persistence on constantly mentioning the deep middle still tells me you just seem to block out arguments with proof that counter your own. What I found was that QBs across the NFL throw to the deep middle of the field VERY LITTLE. Like less than 10% if I remember correctly. Translation: Taylor was (and is) pretty much on par throwing the football to the deep middle portion of the field. I gave you numbers. I gave you evidence. It was stuff you should have been researching yourself because your argument was utterly incomplete without it. You ignored and continue to ignore it. That's why I'm not going to put in work for another argument your making that's utterly incomplete. Do it yourself, or understand that your argument is little more than a house of cards. ​Glad I'm the first to call you narrow-minded. Maybe tunnel-vision would be better just because of the connotations of the other. Maybe you'll broaden your perspective a bit.