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Well, so would you trade Allen for Brady straight up today? And what about the fact that Goff and Wentz had a lower on target percentage than Allen?

First of all... yes, for any QB to show their true potential the weapons around them should be about as good as they can be. Isn't that obvious? Aaron Rodgers, arguably the most talented QB in NFL history, has only won 1 Superbowl. Sooooo... what's held him back? Just look at Mahomes throwing to Cheetah, Kelce and Sammy with other talented guys surrounding him. And to top it off, he sat for a year under a very capable vet and has an offensive genius as a Head Coach. Those crying over the fact we passed over Mahomes are forgivable because of what he's doing in the league, but he also benefits from 2 Elite wideouts and the best Tight End in the NFL for the last few years along with a head coach who just knows how to call plays. As for Allen, I've come to terms that he won't likely ever put up those types of video game numbers, but regardless of how much he gets better at QB, I just doubt it will ever be a Sean McDermott type of game. We don't need 2 Elite WRs. All I want is a single upgrade with a big WR who can go up and ***** those one on one balls and I want Knox to improve this offseason in terms of catching the ball. Do those things along with a positional upgrade on OL and a complementary RB and I think Allen keeps getting better.

Maybe it's actually Allen who elevated Brown and Beasley more than the other way around. Maybe those guys were upgrades, but along with believing "Allen's not there yet," the more relevant discussion relative to a young raw QB who's still improving is that the team isn't there yet. And what's that old cliche...? A Tight End is a young QB's best friend? Who was Allen's #1 Tight End and where did he rank in terms of drop rates?

This post tells me a lot about you. You should try it.

Assume? One can never assume anything. But Allen is the rawest prospect of any of those other QBs you posted, has more physical prowess than literally every other QB you listed, and seems to have more the heart/dedication AND ability to continue improving his game than several of the guys you posted... JP Losman

And what's your point? Were they universally condemned? One of those guys is the GOAT. The other played in the Super Bowl last year. Another was the likely league MVP the year before if not for injury. Now... by contrast what's the narrative on Josh Allen, just a 2nd year QB who was probably one of the most raw prospects to come into the NFL out of college in the last few decades.

Haven't looked through the rest of these pages, but I hope you've at least acknowledged that what you call "air yards" are not actually air yards... instead, they are yards from the LOS to the place the WR catches it. Air yards are just what they sound like... yards the ball travels in the air. So just as an example, when you see that pass to John Brown in the 2nd Patriots game, you can acknowledge that the pass actually travels from the 37 to the opposing 20, which is 43 air yards. And while he's being hit. And it's right on the money. And that that's damn impressive.

In 2015 Brown was playing WR2 to Larry Fitzgerald who had 54 more receptions, 212 more yards and 2 more TDs. Fitz was still clearly still the #1. I mean I guess you can argue Beasley was the #1 WR in 2016 for the Cowgirls because he had the most targets and yards, but he was playing between Dez Bryant and Terrance Williams. Both still very effective WRs with Williams coming off his career year.

For those struggling to find 30+ yard passes from Allen https://www.buffalobills.com/video/highlight-josh-allen-hits-dawson-knox-for-33-yard-completion 7:15 mark

Which is what you can actually see if you watch the games. I don't know what exactly @jrober38 will do when he sees that Allen's on target percentage is better than the likes of Brady, Goff, and Wentz.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm 5 drops for Barkley 31 drops for Allen They did. 5 of them. Not good enough long term. But considering where he was last year, it's big progress. And there would be absolutely no reason to believe he couldn't make another big step with a full offseason the way he did year 1 to year 2.

How about you do the same. You blatantly lied saying Allen only completed one pass that travelled 30 yards in the air and zero passes over 40 yards. You said that and have been proven not just a little wrong, but really wrong. Own it.

This post tells me a lot about you. You don't watch the Bills much, do you? I got 4 deep passes off the top of my head: John Brown TD against Denver John Brown deep ball on Game Winning Drive in Pittsburgh Dawson Knox pass that was originally ruled a TD but moved to the 1 in NE John Brown TD in NE Well this just isn't right at all. Can you do math? 31 drops 461 attempts 271 completions I don't know what you mean by "eliminating drops," but I would assume you mean counting those drops as catches since the throws were on target. 271 + 31 = 302 302 / 461 = 65.5% Don't know where the hell you came up with 62%

Matt Ryan wasn't dominant. Josh Allen lifted Wyoming as a team more than Matt Ryan lifted Boston College.

Our 2 primetime games this year were basically Dallas on Thanksgiving and Pittsburgh on Sunday night. Both on the road. What's wrong with those performances?

Funny... if Allen's weapons only had even a moderate amount of drops instead of the substantial amount they had this year, he would have already been above your criteria. You're probably wrong.

Well, our biggest culprit was Dawson Knox by far. Raw rookie Tight End who didn't catch many passes at all in college. His drops make complete sense to me, which is why I'm so excited moving forward. Knox is the one who really tips the scale. The rest of the offensive weapons may just suffer from being a rung higher on the totem pole than they should be; Brown isn't a true #1 NFL WR... but he's a fantastic #2.

Yes, there were multiple Knox drops in critical situations in critical areas of the field that sucked. If he can be more consistent catching the ball, he can be a BEAST for us for years.

Can you direct our attention to 2 of those passes where a WR had to do the "toe tap" or "toe drag" this year? I can't remember any. Yes, 7 more passes dropped than the league average. 7 more catches and Allen's completion percentage is 60.3%. Yes Allen needs to get better moving forward, but look backward and pause for a minute and comprehend that where Allen is in year 2 is the kind of really significant progress that can give us all hope, and if he makes a similar step from year 2 to year 3, there will be genuine reason to start the Franchise QB talk and work to potentially lock him up long term next offseason.

That Dawson Knox deep ball was a dime, too.

Yes, every drop is the same. It's a pass an NFL WR should have caught. It's really that simple. You guys are really trying to twist the narrative to somehow pin these drops on Allen and it's just ridiculous.

Watson was an absolute animal in college. I agree. He was. He was also surrounded by extreme NFL talent at all positions. Matt Ryan joined a D1 school that won 8 or 9 games in each of its previous 3 seasons before he started along with 3 consecutive bowl games. So you can say, by the same logic, that Allen carried the Wyoming Cowboys just as much considering the year before Allen got his season as a starter, the team won 2 games and had losing records the previous 3 seasons. Allen doesn't have to pass like Ryan because he plays a different style of QB. I don't think Allen will ever be in the upper tier of the NFL as far as completion percentage. He doesn't have to be. And not being there doesn't mean he can't still become an Elite QB. But these failures in logic some people are having is getting frustrating. We all want Allen to get better. But some of us are wildly encouraged by the huge step we saw from year 1 to year 2 in the NFL and we think it bodes, really, really well for his future. But the GM needs to help with that by giving him an Elite weapon or 2.

Again. Blaming Allen for the actual passes that were tracked as "drops" by the NFL is sheer stupidity. Those are balls that SHOULD have been caught, no matter who is throwing it or how they're throwing it. Allen can be blamed for his bad pass %, not for the balls his WRs drop. Unreal

John Brown's best season in the NFL is with Josh Allen as QB. His 2nd best season was playing with MVP candidate Carson Palmer in 2015 who was also throwing to Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, David Fells and Jermaine Gresham with David Johnson out of the backfield. Cole Beasley's 2nd best season in the NFL is with Josh Allen as QB. His best season was with surprise rookie Dak Prescott, who had his most efficient statistical season while also throwing to Dak Prescott and Jason Witten while handing the ball off to Zeke Elliot. If it's the QB and not the WRs, what is it saying that those 2 guys--who were never really considered #1 WRs and were never really expected to perform as such--had career years with Josh Allen at QB? It's the QB, obviously. It's also the Wide Receivers and other offensive weapons, obviously. We need to upgrade our offensive weapons. Allen needs to work on his game. Both are true.