Logic

Just wanted to say this: Bills fans are going to need to learn to let the criticism of the national media as it relates to Josh Allen just roll off their backs. The only thing that will silence those who seem to have a vested interest in his failing, is his having real success in the NFL. In the meantime, there will be a multitude of haters, mockery, and criticisms (both fair and unfair). It's just NOT going to go away unless and until Allen becomes a good NFL player. There's no sense in getting upset about it. Don't forget that most BILLS fans were anti Josh Allen (myself included) leading up to the draft. His donning the blue and red has changed a lot of opinions on this message board, but that doesn't mean that it's changed the opinions of any national media members. It's not exactly a mystery why people still have an "until proven otherwise, he stinks" mindset about Josh Allen. Let it go.

Phew. From "new poster" to "ignore list" in RECORD time. Well done, troll.

The Saints used two 1st round picks to get Marcus freakin Davenport. You're NOT getting Mack for one 1st round pick. The poll should be "Should the Bills give up two 1sts and a 3rd for Khalil Mack?"...and even THAT might not get it done.

In Marv Levy's autobiography, he states that in order for a team to achieve greatness, there needs to be a united vision and high quality people from the top down. Owner, GM, head coach, players. When I look at the Browns, I see a shady and criminal owner, a general manager on his second GM job and whose vision is not united with that of his head coach, and a head coach who has proven that he can't get the job done (1-31). In short, I see dysfunction, ineptitude, and a lack of cohesive vision. The Coleman - Calloway thing illustrates this point perfectly: The drafting of a player with off-field issues in Calloway (don't forget, Dorsey also drafted Tyreek "choking pregnant ladies" Hill), the unloading of a player that the head coach was not willing to coach up, the team not being aware that Calloway had even BEEN arrested until after they had already traded away Coleman, the fact that they gave up on a high 1st round pick for a bag of peanuts after only two seasons...just dysfunction and ineptitude from top to bottom. Looking at it from afar makes me incredibly, INCREDIBLY thankful that the Bills were bought by people like the Pegulas rather than someone like Jimmy Haslam, that they seem to have hired quality people as general manager and head coach, and that the entire front office as well as ownership seem to have a clear and united vision. I feel bad for Browns fans and hope things turn around for them. Unfortunately, keeping what Marv said in mind and feeling how I do about Jimmy Haslam, I don't see things turning around any time soon in Cleveland. I hope, for their fans' sake, that I'm wrong. Either way, I'll say it again: I am so thankful for the current direction of the Bills from the top down.

https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/the-day-trump-told-us-there-was-attempted-collusion-with-russia The Day Donald Trump Told Us There Was Attempted Collusion With Russia On August 5, 2018, precisely forty-four years after the collapse of the Nixon Presidency, another President, Donald Trump, made his own public admission. In one of a series of early-morning tweets, Trump addressed a meeting that his son Donald, Jr., held with a Russian lawyer affiliated with the Russian government. “This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere,” he wrote. “I did not know about it!” The tweet contains several crucial pieces of information. First, it is a clear admission that Donald Trump, Jr.,’s original statement about the case was inaccurate enough to be considered a lie. He had said the meeting was with an unknown person who “might have information helpful to the campaign,” and that this person “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children.” This false statement was, according to his legal team, dictated by the President himself. There was good reason to mislead the American people about that meeting. Based on reporting—at the time and now—of the President’s admission, it was a conscious effort by the President’s son and two of his closest advisers to work with affiliates of the Russian government to obtain information that might sway the U.S. election in Trump’s favor. In short, it was, at minimum, a case of attempted collusion.

The saddest part is that marijuana testing day in the NFL is on the same day EVERY SINGLE YEAR. For regular players with no history of pot offenses, you get tested once a year, and its always the same day. That's it. Players can literally smoke all they want for 9-10 months a year, so long as they stop 2-3 months in advance of the test each time. Even THAT is too hard for some. Sad.

Awesome! I've never "Miracle'd" anybody, mostly because I'm poor and can't afford to give away $70 a piece tickets. If I ever DO miracle somebody, though, it will be in a similar fashion, and not to somebody who's actually asking for it. Pearl Jam always puts on a good show, and anything to escape the heat of Portland over the next few days sounds like a good idea. The coast should feel reeeeeeal nice the next few days, too!

First, let me say this: I have participated in many a Bills tailgate and -- other than excessive inebriation, which I suspect is a problem at just about EVERY NFL stadium -- I have not seen much over-the-top rowdiness or table smashing. The vast majority of fans are just grilling brats and burgs and drinking beers. That being said, I DO find the over-the-top, table smashing stuff to be embarrassing. I really do. That the national view of Bills fans is one of drunken, setting-themselves-on-fire, jumping through tables nincompoops is disappointing and self inflicted. It's gross. The Grateful Dead have a lyric: "It's 1 in 10,000 that comes for the show". I feel that way about football sometimes. If you take away the alcohol and the pre-game excess, how many would still show up? How many are truly there to watch a football game and not just to get hammered with their friends on a Sunday?

Ah, you're right. I see that now. My mistake. Okay....I give it a .000000002% chance, then.

I give that trade a .000000001% chance of happening. Two players who've never produced squat and are on the roster bubble and a guy who plays the same position as Mack but one tenth as well? Why would the Raiders do that?

All logical signs would tend to point to Adolphus or Shaq being dealt for a late round pick. Or, Beane could shock us and trade FOR another quality player. But at what position would that happen? And for what player? Spittin' in the wind...

Just wanted to drop in here say LOL @ anyone suggesting that a 2nd rounder and Shaq (or anything similar) could get us Khalil freaking Mack. I'm all for acquiring him, as I believe he's one of the top 3 pass rushers in the league, but....if we do that, we're not getting him for less than a 1st round pick plus something else. We're just not. It might even take TWO 1sts to pry him away from Oakland. He's not "just another guy". They're not gonna give him away for peanuts.

Really? That's not what I read AT ALL. Over at Dawgsbynature.com, all I'm seeing is people pissed off that the Browns traded him for such a meager return. The consensus seemed to be that he was doing well in camp, was penciled in as a starter, and was -- at worst -- one of the 4 best receivers on their roster. I don't think Beane is in the business of doing anyone any favors. He simply added a speedy WR to a team lacking speed at that position and did so in a low-risk way.

I was not happy when Sammy was traded, though I understood why they did it. Since then, though, Beane has traded a 3rd and two 7ths for Kelvin Benjamin and Corey Coleman -- two physically gifted 1st round WRs on rookie deals. I like it. I like it a lot.

TL;DR That is a LOT of energy to spend protesting a trade involving a conditional 7th round pick two years from now. Wow.

Saw Dead and Company twice in June. Once at the Gorge (an okay show) and once at Eugene (an absolutely STELLAR show and probably my favorite post Jerry live Dead show experience ever). Seeing Pearl Jam twice at Safeco Field in a few days. Fun times. On a side note...are any Dead fans but me planning to go see Bobby's "Wolf Bros" acoustic trio shows this fall? I can't help myself...I've got an incurable desire for constant live Grateful Dead music, so I'll be going to at least one show.

I generally always tip somewhere between 20 and 25%. "Zero tip" to me = 15%. No matter how bad things get, I don't leave less than 15%. Now, I will absolutely speak with the server or manager or leave notes on the receipt about what I found less than satisfactory. I will also resolve never to return to a place if things are bad enough. But as someone who has many friends in the service industry, I simply can't leave myself to leave NO TIP AT ALL on the table. Can't do it.

As we all know, Beane and McDermott are very lax on discipline. It's basically the inmates running the asylum around here. I guess character doesn't mean anything to these guys...Sheesh.

How could they possibly like the trade? A 15th overall pick going into only the third year of his affordable rookie contract and who has shown promise when healthy....traded for a CONDITIONAL 7th round pick two years from now. What's to like?

For reference, we just drafted Austin Proehl in the 7th round. That's the kind of "talent" you usually get at that point in the draft. So to trade a CONDITIONAL, FUTURE 7th round pick for the type of talent and speed Coleman has is awesome. Over the first 16 games of his career, he has over 50 receptions for over 600 yards and 5 TDs. If he does nothing else but provide a deep threat and help keep the defense honest, he's more than worth what the Bills paid. If he does literally nothing and gets cut, the Bills have lost only a 7th round pick at worst. And even then, the trade was a CONDITIONAL 7th round pick, so if Coleman doesn't make the team, the Bills might not lose anything. It's a scratchoff lottery ticket for basically free. Love it.

I absolutely LOVE this move for the Bills. Coleman is just what the doctor ordered for this Bills offense. A legitimate deep threat to line up opposite Kelvin Benjamin and keep the defense honest. This allows Zay and Kerley to operate out of the slot, where they can do the most damage. I'm admittedly a relentless optimist, but count me among those who think this trade will be looked back on as an absolute steal.

Does Phillips play special teams? If not, it's going to be very hard for him to make the 53 man roster. When you're 5th or 6th on the WR depth chart, you HAVE to contribute on ST. For those that don't believe me and think that receiving talent alone will get you a spot more often than not, go watch Brandon Reilly's 2017 preseason.

Sure seems to me like he's able to high point the ball and to play like Tarzan. I don't know too many untalented #2 receivers that would make that catch between Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas. Personally, I think both pro and anti Benjamin people are over the top in their praise and criticism, respectively. He's probably not as good as his supporters claim he is, and he's definitely not as bad as his detractors claim he is. Exaggeration and hyperbole on both sides.

So far, I actually agree. I'm surprised to find myself feeling that way, as I've been firmly on the "let Allen sit for 10 games or more" train, but...you put it pretty well. Peterman seems to have a lot of those "CB undercuts it, takes it the other way for 6" kind of throws, and McCarron seems to be taking a ton of sacks and hanging his WRs out to dry. If that's the case, just start the kid.