Logic
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Personally, I think all the people that say they "don't Twitter" are missing out on good football coverage.
It's pretty simple. Once you join, you just "follow" all of the Buffalo sportswriters that interest you. You don't ever actually have to "Tweet" or interact with anyone. When I scroll through my feed, it has Joe Buscaglia, Sal Capaccio, Matthew Fairburn, Tim Graham, Benjamin Albright, Daniel Jeremiah, Jon Ledyard, Cover 1, Chris Brown, etc....It's basically just a Bills/football news feed.
It's indisputably the fastest way to get Bills news as it breaks.
As an added bonus, if you choose to, you CAN attempt to interact with various people that you would otherwise not have the chance to. For instance, I have twice suggested articles to Sports Illustrated that I'd like to see written, and both times, I got a reply stating that they were good ideas, and the articles were then written. What other platform would give me that type of chance?
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It is so hard to think of just ONE all time greatest running back.
It's easier (and more fun) for me to imagine my dream running back depth chart.
Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
Thurman Thomas
You've got your big bruiser, your change of pace and home run guy, and your 3rd down back and expert pass blocker.
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The top tight end in the draft, a quality 3T, and an offensive tackle? Where do I sign up?
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1 hour ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:
Wrong! At least 5 of those guys are not ranked higher. That’s not included TJ and Gary
It's all guess work, man.
None of us -- not analysts, ESPN talking heads, not Kiper, not you, not me -- know how teams actually rank these guys.
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Just now, dave mcbride said:
He was 100 percent correct about Mahomes.
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Let me just say this: It is my opinion that the Bills have the greatest "all time" running back depth chart of any NFL team. No one can touch them.
OJ Simpson (HOF)
Thurman Thomas (HOF)
Marshawn Lynch
LeSean McCoy
Frank Gore (almost certain HOF)
Cookie Gilchrist
Given that Gore is all but certain to be a Hall of Famer (he's top 5 in all time rushing yards), what other NFL team can boast having had three HOF running backs on their roster at one time or another?
Closest I can think of would be Cowboys, Raiders, Bears and Browns, but I'll take the Bills' all time running back depth chart over any other team's.
Oh...and my vote for the OP goes to Jim Brown. The best there is, best there was, and best there ever will be (apologies to The Hitman).-
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The key thing to mention is the fact that he'll soon be due for a new, expensive contract.
Paying big money for running backs is going the way of the dinosaurs. And yes, I'm aware that the Bills currently pay a lot to their running backs. I expect that to change next season. -
57 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:
.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U. Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time. Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong. He needed to make sure he had one. No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks. ....keep that in mind....
As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)
Rosen is cheap. He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.
While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55? What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust? You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.
You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence. Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle. If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.
If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.
If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move. That's why Jimmy did it. Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.
It is so weird to me that you continue to stick around and talk Bills football. Isn't there a good Chiefs forum somewhere?
And for your one created thread in the past several months, you chose to make a topic featuring the above bolded lines. I mean...sticking around just to troll us about our quarterback?
It seems like once the Bills traded down with the Chiefs, allowing KC to take Mahomes, you gained this vested interest in the Bills and seeing how the trade turned out for both teams. Now that the hay is in the barn and we see that Mahomes is an elite talent, you continue to want to stick around and...gloat? Chime in every now and again about how the QB WE ended up with stinks? Point out in new and different ways that the Chiefs won the trade? What do you want from us?!
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Just now, Pete said:
If Haskins and Lock make it to 9- don't you think Beane's phone will be ringing off the hook with crazy, generous trade offers?
I definitely believe that if the right offer comes in, Beane would accept it.
That being said, I DON'T get the impression that they're desperate to trade down. There are lots of potential difference makers at positions of need that could be available at 9 but that they'll miss out on if they trade down too far. Oliver and the two offensive tackles, for instance.
Personally, I find it more likely that they pick a player at 9 and then use some of their "extra" picks this year to move BACK up into the late 1st or back up into the 2nd to take more premium players. The sheer amount of free agents they've added and the lack of ability to find spots on the roster for 10 more players leads me to believe the Bills will draft no more than 7 players come April. As such, I don't view a trade down from 9 to be as likely as some Bills fans seem to think. Just my opinion. -
This coaching staff has kept a 4th running back on the depth chart solely for special teams purposes each of the past two seasons. That's what Perry is. Shouldn't/won't stop the Bills from drafting a youngster or adding an UDFA come April.
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8 minutes ago, Pete said:
That begs the question- what do Bills do if Oliver and those 5 are not available?
Based on top 30 visits and reported Bills interest, I would suggest that the 9th pick is down to the following options (not in any particular order, because I have no idea how the Bills rank them): Jawaan Taylor, Jonah Williams, Ed Oliver, Montez Sweat, Christian Wilkins. I expect one of those five names to be called if the Bills stay at 9. -
I love that Brandon Beane took a guy off the Bills' board because he was late to a few meetings. Love it.
If you can't even get your ***** together for the biggest job interview of your life, what are the odds that your head and heart will be in the game once the money has already flowed?
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3 minutes ago, stosh64 said:
A 6th seems pretty damn cheap.
Am I wrong?
I agree with you, actually.
He's only 28 years old and he produced 6.5 sacks last year. Not a world beater or anything, but definitely a valuable piece for a defense.
I'm surprised they couldn't get at least a 5th for him.
Unless I'm in a salary cap pinch or there's behind the scenes stuff we're not aware of, I wouldn't trade a player of Quinn's caliber for a measly 6th round pick. What are the odds that the player you're going to get that late in the draft is even HALF as good as Quinn?
Weird move by the Phins.-
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2 hours ago, Bills2ref said:
Unfortunately I don’t see much chance Oliver lasts to 9 now. Unless there is a serious crazy run on QBs.
We pick 9th.
Kyler Murray
Quinnen Williams
Nick Bosa
Clelin Ferrell
Josh Allen
Dwayne Haskins
Rashan Gary
Brian Burns
TJ Hockenson
Greedy Williams
DK Metcalf
Jonah Willams
Jawaan Taylor
All of the above guys are, depending on who you ask, ranked as high or higher than Ed Oliver in terms of value. SOMEBODY good is bound to slip to the Bills. Given Oliver's less than prototypical size, it's not unreasonable to think it could be him.-
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1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said:
Kelvin Fisher was with the Bills during Whaleys time
If I was N'Keal Harry, I would've told Kelvin Fisher "Thank you very much for your advice, and I respect your opinion, but I have to do what's right for me and for my family."
In other words, get bent.-
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Like others said previously, the seeding in this thing was messed up. The finals should've been Bills vs Packers.
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1 minute ago, BringBackFlutie said:
...I was wondering if you ever noticed.
And no. He didn't. All of my Flutie Flakes were stolen before I could eat them. I just really dislike interceptions.
And yet...if Ryan Fitzpatrick had asked you to marry him, you would've said yes. Curious. -
We've officially reached the "signing guys for special teams" part of the offseason.
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16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I also think it's funny that we've all let our imaginations run away with us. Allen is going into his second season, playing on a team that's made the playoffs once in 20 years, with a first-time head coach and a first-time gm. He has to play at least a couple more regular season games before he makes the Hall of Fame.
I totally agree with this point.
HOWEVER...from a physical talent standpoint, an aggressiveness standpoint, and a "potential to be great" standpoint, the Elway, Favre, Newton comparisons are not entirely off base. I think it goes without saying (or at least it should) that he has a lot of work to do to be mentioned honestly in the same breath as those guys. No one, however, should deny that he has the physical tools to achieve that level of greatness. He is quite literally one of 10 or 12 most talented QBs -- strictly from a physical and athletic standpoint -- to ever lace up his cleats in the NFL. -
22 hours ago, mjt328 said:
Biggest Needs:
Tight End
3-Tech Defensive Tackle
Medium Needs:
Defensive End
Offensive Guard or Tackle
Depth/Looking to Future Needs:
Running Back
Strongside Linebacker
Wide Receiver
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2 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said:
Eh... I think he's always gonna have a bit of a gunslinger mentality- perhaps closer to Favre's than most, but I think Allen is smarter and can become more refined. I don't think he'll throw as many picks as Favre, and I think he'll use his mobility a lot to find more open guys and make less questionable throws. I'd say, from a playing style (not necessarily success) standpoint, Allen will be like Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young, in mobility and making opportunities, with a high tendency towards Favre, in aggression. Basically, I think calling him a Favre or a Brady/Brees, is too one dimensional. I think he'll have a very diverse style of play, due to his diverse skill set and intelligence. And the aforementioned comparisons are only what we can see about him today. I don't think we've seen half of what he can/will be. I think he's still got a LOT of molding to do. He's very young and inexperienced. A coach can, essentially, take his skill set and make him whatever they want.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm overly positive about him.
Fair enough. I think you're probably right.
It should be noted, though, for full transparency: You're a Favre hater. I don't know why. He must have peed in your Flutie Flakes or something. -
25 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Well written, as always, yet isn't the point of your overall comment that it can't always be Allen, for better or worse? No doubt, Allen will retain the gunslinger streak. That's exciting and he has the arm to deliver. But Allen needs to take the short throw and allow for the boring, drive sustaining play if he's to become the best qb possible. I think he's smart enough and humble enough to figure it out.
The main thing is that I don't think he'll ever be a Brees or a Brady, slowly matriculating the ball down the field on a regular basis. Even if/when he learns to take the gimmes and checkdowns, I think he'll always be a "No no no.........YES!!!" guy. To some extent, I think we'll always have to live with the extreme highs and the head scratching lows with Allen. I think watching him will be a lot like watching Brett Favre: Amazing plays that only he could make and memorable moments galore, but also a bunch of frustrating interceptions and questionable decisions. Me, personally? I'll take the tradeoff. No risk it, no biscuit.
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Interestingly, Bills fans are now in a familiar position watching their QB as they have been in recent years, but we're now on the opposite side of it. Let me explain what I mean:
For years we watched the likes of Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick get off to hot starts, but then defensive coordinators would just learn to have their defenses squat on all the short and underneath stuff, daring the Bills QBs to beat them deep. The Bills' QBs couldn't do that, so it was game over for the Bills offense.
Now we're on the flip side with Allen: defensive coordinators are going to take away the deep stuff, knowing that that's Allen's bread and butter. They'll want to force him to dink and dunk and beat them underneath. He has yet to show that he can do that consistently in the NFL. We already KNOW he can make the long bomb, the "wow" play, the improvisatory "how did he do that?!" play. We just haven't seen him consistently make the routine plays, the gimmes, the 4 yard gains on 1st and 2nd down. THIS is where Allen needs to improve in order to be a complete QB.
Of course, I'd rather have the guy that pushes the ball down the field that you have to yell at to check down than the guy who only checks down and you have to yell at him to take chances. We've had enough Checkdown Charlies over the past 20 years in Buffalo. We finally have a gunslinger. He just needs to learn that you never go broke making a profit. And I think he WILL learn it. And the other nice thing about the defenses taking away the deep stuff is that it should open things up for the Bills' ground game considerably -- assuming the o-line can start holding its own.
At the end of the day, the most informative comment I've yet heard about who Allen IS as a quarterback comes form Allen himself: When asked in college why he threw a low percentage but successful long bomb TD instead of a pass to the primary target who was running a shorter route on the play, Allen told his coach "Favre says always go for the touchdown". That stuck with me. That's Allen, and I think it always will be, for better or worse.
Robert Foster love from PFF only 1 of 2 WRs on both Avg Depth of Target and Avg Yards per Target
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I doubt it.
I would put the chances of his not making the roster at 1%.