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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    Yep, that’s fair. Anyone paying attention could see this coming a decade ago. The reason that the Bills needed a new stadium instead of a refurb is that they couldn’t have the best locations paying a fraction of what others around the league pay for those same locations. I think that they went with the $15k PSLs there to not force everyone out. It will force a lot of them out but not the same way that $50k would have in that area. They split the baby a little there.

    This is correct. We hashed this stuff out in stadium threads years ago. Pretty much verbatim and that’s exactly what we’re seeing now. 

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    2 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

     

    The point is, they are being forced into that because the NFL owners do not want to pay for their own place of business. If they like the end result doesn't matter.  Plus some, maybe most, would prefer the stadium experience if that's what their families have been doing for generations.

    And would also imply they could/should pay for their own places of business instead of charging their fans up front? :)

    This is not uncommon in the NFL. That’s just how it is. Bills fans have enjoyed a bygone era NFL economy for about a quarter century longer than anyone else. It wasn’t going to last forever, and now here we are. 

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    9 hours ago, DrBob806 said:

    So over priced seats are ok? Rhetorical question obviously.

     

    Here's the thing. You've got a family who's been a loyal Bills customer since the 60s, and the Bills are telling that family they may potentially lose out on their seats, because they didn't splurge for the pricier seats over time? It's wrong. 

     

     

    Are they telling them that ? Your loyal customer will be offered comparable seats in the new stadium. As was pointed out in this thread , they’ve only brought in 1.6% of STHs at this point. We are talking about pricier seats at this point because that is the customer the Bills have started with. Is it wrong for the Bills to begin with their highest paying customers? 

    7 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

     

    Agree about the bolded 100%.  It's great that you can afford it, and that you and your son enjoy the experience enough to take the price increase in stride. It's not financially hard on me. Like you I could afford it as well.  But the experience for me is not worth anywhere near the cost of the day at the Ralph.  We stopped going in person several years ago.  Now for the 1pm starts I record the game, and I have software that skips the commercials automatically on playback. So my family spends Sunday afternoons doing what we like, then we get pizza and all meet up to watch the game in 90 minutes or so while eating dinner. 

     

    What I feel bad about are the fans that have managed to afford seasons for their families for years, now needing to find or get a loan for a pretty large lump sum payment that does nothing but help finance the Biils new stadium rather than the NFL, which as you say is the "biggest  sport in the world revenue wise" (it's actually 2nd behind soccer, but close), financing it.   That just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.      

    Why does it? They could DVR and go out for pizza like you do. Perhaps they will prefer it to going to the stadium as well. 

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    2 hours ago, DrBob806 said:

    This is my issue. Seniority should be the #1 criteria for seat selection.

    Wouldn’t work though. They’re offering comparable seating in the new building . If a large portion were to downgrade to a lower level of seating , they’d run out of customers for the premium seating and have to slash prices.  Their approach is understandable Vs purely by seniority.

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    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

    Well to keep using your analogy you can choose not to get poked in the eye. 

    Nobody is forcing someone to buy the PSL.

    If you want the team to stay in Buffalo this is the price you pay. It's the world we live in. 

    No less than five other cities would take the Bills and their fans would willingly pay for the PSL.

    Cleveland and northeast Ohio is about to put up 500 million just to renovate their broken down stadium or get shilled for $1B or more to build a dome. 

    Can't have it both ways. You want the team you have to pay. 

     

    As for me I'm still going to get club level tix a few times a year and hit a couple away games a year. I still work too many weekends to justify season tix even if I'm only under 3 hours away now. 

    Good point. Cleveland stadium is only about 25 years old now as well. Rich/ Ralph/ New Era/ Highmark is over 50 years old. This is actually something that Buffalo should have went through about 20 years ago but managed to stave it off. The Bills have been in the old model NFL economy for 30 years longer than anyone else. 

    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    9 hours ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said:

        After all the pros, all the cons, all the explanations, all the reasons, at the end of the day there will be some people who end up taking out 10 year loans at 10%, to be able to then buy tickets to go to a football game.  I am not disparaging these people, everyone has the right to make their own economic decisions.  I am saddened that such a situation has become normalized.

    There will be some who do ( I would not ), but I’m not saddened by it. Folks can decide for themselves what they are willing to pay for entertainment, such as attending professional sports events.  That includes how to pay for it, and perhaps that type of loan will work for them. 

    1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:


    So if I want a good deal on a PSL, wait until they suck again…

    Buy low, sell high. 

    PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

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    57 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

    Why would other owners care how much $$$ the owner(s) of the Bills rakes in? Shouldn't they mind their own effing business?

    General ticket revenue is split with the visiting team. Suite revenue stays with the home club. The other owners do have an interest. 

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    Poll - Would you trade our 2025 1st round pick to move up in this draft to get a top WR

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    59 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:


    Not entirely.

     

    Watkins was not ruined by a bad QB. He would have bust whether he played with EJ, Tyrod or Mahomes. In fact, I think his best year was with Tyrod despite having played with Mahomes. 
     

    If Watkins was as advertised, he would have still been on the team Allen’s first few seasons in the league and having a positive impact on his development as young QB,  regardless of EJ busting. 
     

     

    Didn’t say he was ruined by EJ, but the team wasn’t a contender. That made the move more questionable. Watkins didn’t live up to his billing to be certain, but that is always a risk- even in the first round. My point is that one could make an argument for a move up to snag a top WR for Allen. Still not saying I’d do it, but you could make a case for it. It was more foolish than not for an EJ led Bills team. 

    Hip drop tackle officially banned

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    1 hour ago, T master said:

    So if you come in from behind for a tackle and hit the guy in the back to take him down is that a illegal hit in the back or a blind side tackle ? Not exactly sure how this is going to work & if enforced as such how many will just let the runner go in fear of being penalized or fined .

    No , it is not illegal. 

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    Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?

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    1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

    The comments in this thread are embarrassing. He's as good or better than Mahomes? Josh is good enough so he doesn't have to work harder? What planet are you guys living on? This is the kind of thread that gets posted on other forums and those fans laugh at how delusional we are. The only thing Josh Allen has ever won in his life was a few division titles and the Idaho Potato Bowl. Get it together, you are embarrassing yourselves with your acceptance of mediocrity.

    What’s embarrassing is a fan of a team believing they have any modicum of control over what NFL players/ teams are doing -the reality is they have no choice but acceptance. 

    Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

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    5 hours ago, Einstein said:

     

    This doesn’t compute.

     

    Building a brand new 8,000 square foot house in Buffalo, doesn’t mean that this new house has equal market value to the same large home in California. Or Chicago. Or NYC. etc.

     

    Bringing the Bills ticket pricing up to national averages only makes sense if they’re also building the stadium in one of those larger cities that demand such exorbitant ticket prices.

     

    But they’re not.

     

    They’re charging big city prices, without the big city. The big city prices make sense in those cities because *everything* is more expensive there.

     

    It would be akin to being told the apartments in Lackawanna are now $7.5k per month, because the landlord says the previous rent was undervalued compared to Manhattan and LA. 

    While all real estate markets are local, and all locales have real estate , not every city has the NFL. Only 30 cities have an NFL team - or two - that call it home. So the NFL doesn’t consider it’s product to be like real estate, and it isn’t. It’s the pinnacle of big time sports , and that brings with it a certain price tag. While there will be regional variations due to team popularity, performance etc, attending a game commands a certain market price. The average resale price of Bills tickets has been brought up in this thread, and it shows that the product has been undervalued locally. Much of this is due to the antiquated stadium. That’s changing and so is the pricing structure. The ticket game has changed greatly over the years , and brokers control much of it. They will almost certainly end up with many of these PSL’s. The Bills ticket market is going to be brought up to date with the rest of the NFL. It won’t be the same for fans, but that was inevitable. This shift has already happened with all professional sports as well as other entertainment such as concerts. 

    Diggs cryptic comments - 2024 edition

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    44 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    Many folks have reported that there was a point where Allen and Diggs were not on speaking terms and that Allen had to be the bigger person and cobble together some kind of working relationship.

    What “ folks are these ? Do we know if there is any validity to this at all ? 

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    Marquise Brown going to the Chiefs

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    2 minutes ago, beebe said:

     

    Mahomes' receivers in the last four Super Bowls: 

     

    Mecole Hardman, Tyreek Hill, Justin Watson, MVS, Richie James, Justyn Ross, Rashee Rice, Kadarius Toney, JuJu Smith-Schuster, Skyy Moore, Marcus Kemp, Gehrig Dieter, Byron Pringle, Demarcus Robinson, Sammy Watkins. 

     

    Post-Tyreek, it's been especially terrible. 

    Sure doesn’t seem like the best roster in the league kinda stuff. 

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    Poyer to Miami

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    3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

    Yea, he’s a guy that can make a few plays but at this point also a guy that a DC can target 

     

    hes slowed down dramatically 

     

    and I get he has to work somewhere but given his history with alcohol, south beach would worry me more than some destinations 

    Perhaps , but then again great for his golf game. Still , as a Bills fan I hate seeing a player I like suiting up for that team.

    Takeaways from Beane's Combine pressers

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    1 hour ago, Einstein said:

     

    Aren’t Achilles injury a worse prognosis than ACL?

     

    I don’t recall where, but I do recall reading that that at some point.

    I agree. It seems to me that Tre unfortunately is finished as a Bill. I can’t think of a starting CB that returned successfully from an Achilles injury. 

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