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11 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
I think it's pretty clear why the NFL changed the rules.
If local community owns the team, there's no way to leverage the team against the city for cushy tax breaks, stadium funding, or the threat of relocating.
Better to have a billionaire owner or ownership group who can say "we'll move to San Antonio if you don't give us $2 billion for a new stadium!" Fans just want the team to stay put, so there's a huge limit placed on future growth.
If Green Bay's population & surrounding areas never grow, the team is still staying put. The NFL can't pressure them into a new stadium, and fans are content having a team to root for.
Fwiw the rule against this type of ownership was established a long time ago, when there probably weren’t any billionaire NFL owners etc . It didn’t happen in say , 1985.
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43 minutes ago, nucci said:
and not have to pay for the new stadium
This ^^^ T Pegs has said all along that he doesn’t want to spend his fortune on a stadium. It may make some sense in NYC or Dallas but not in Buffalo.
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20 minutes ago, T master said:
Well after a while when you listen to so much BS time after time & know that it's a freakin joke and have much better things to d with your time than sit 1 more time & listen to more BS i'd fall asleep too .
It's like watching freakin reruns of the Starsky & Hutch or Charlies Angels after about the 4th go it's time to go to sleep .
Hunter Biden- 0 Indictments
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I'd be falling asleep too ! just saying . you think there's a plan at hand here ???
Right? But you know the response “there’s no evidence of any plan”…So predictable. Hilarious to see anyone taking about this “ case “ in any kind of serious terms. It’s so flimsy that 2 previous DA’s declined to pursue it. Not to mention the statute of limitations expiring. When you run on a platform of “I will find something to prosecute Trump for “ though.. what a joke. NYS is simply an embarrassment to the justice system. How about the ridiculous gag order , tainted jury pool etc ? The entire thing reeks.
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1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:
I don't think anyone has proof if PSL's are selling poorly.
True. Could be selling about as projected. Cost overruns may be outpacing what the market can realistically cover.
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He’s bored. The proceedings are a completely political sham prosecution with a pet judge and jury. Their predetermined guilty verdict will be overturned on appeal. Alan Dershowitz said it is the weakest case he’s seen in his 60 years of experience. NYS is a complete embarrassment as usual.
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6 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:
They have billions of assets that they would be used to get any loan they want.
It just doesn't make sense to lose 25% of the profit every year, and even worse, to lose 25% of the value of the franchise. Unless the Pegula's know the NFL has reached it's peak and profits, along with franchise values will decrease, it doesn't make sense to do it now, unless they want straight cash for something.
I know that Biden wants to absolutely destroy estate taxes and I wonder how the estate works with PSE, Bills, Sabres, etc. I just pray that it's set up in a way that estate taxes would have no impact on anything when they pass.
It’s an NFL team. He wants to keep it for obvious reasons. It makes so much money he won’t mind having a minority owner with a 25% share.
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1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Why wouldn't it be true ?
Pegula is profiting of the backs of hard working middle class Bills fans
Well… The NFL IS a business, no ? A business selling a disposable good (entertainment) isn’t going to make much profit selling to people with no money.
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Fwiw it’s being reported by at least one major news outlet that OJ had left specific instructions on what to do with his remains and his brain will not be donated for CTE research.
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15 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:
True but I’ll add he was acquitted because the jury feared massive riots and destruction if they found him guilty.
Perhaps , but at least one juror has stated that the jury thought he was guilty but they went with the not guilty verdict to punish the LAPD for the Rodney King beating.
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4 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:
I highly recommend people give this Documentary a full watch and then come back and give your opinions on what a great guy OJ was
This was a good documentary. Very well done imo
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1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said:
This take I agree with, in a later post I clarified I was strictly referring to the posts where their only comment was either celebrating or mourning the guy. Many people had posts acknowledging their fond memories of OJ the football player while also mentioning it is tough celebrating him as a human being which is more than fair. But when finding out the news that OJ passed away and your first and only comment is Oh wow he ran for 2000 yards in a season it's kind of a joke IMO
While that take is more than fair, there is also nothing wrong with the take of commenting only on his football accomplishments. This is after all a Bills football fan forum, and OJ was possibly the greatest Bill ever. This is not a forum on society or the failings of humans who happen to play football. To these things, having no comment at the time of OJ’s death actually says quite a lot.
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53 minutes ago, Bigvinny said:
Done
I think “OJ Simpson dead at 76 “ is a better thread title than what you changed it to. Splitting hairs perhaps , but jmo.
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44 minutes ago, Another Fan said:
I mean I’m not one to speak of ill of the recent departed but I mean he did indirectly introduce us to the Kardashian family.
Great point. That’s another strike against him in the name of humanity.
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11 minutes ago, Einstein said:
You're buying air.
I say that non-nefariously. There is simply no intrinsic value. It is a liability with guaranteed cost of more liabilities in the future.
No. You bought air. That is all.
Of course.
That's the plan.
When someone invests $50,000 in PSLs, the organization is aware that they will not forfeit their sunk cost by failing to purchase season tickets, as not doing so would mean losing the initial expenditure. Therefore, the organization knows they can raise ticket prices because the PSL holders are financially committed and that enables the organization to significantly increase ticket pricing because you're "stuck".
You either pay the increasing prices every year or you default and lose your money.
Of course not.
Remember, you bought air. That is all.
To be fair to PSE, this isn't really the Bills fault. Any event that you would actually want to go to (think big music acts), the organizer has a contract that they control all tickets. So it's out of the Bills hands. You might be able to get a monster truck rally or something like that though.
For any events where they do throw PSL owners are a bone (meaning they offer to sell you tickets at full retail price just like the general public), they dont guarantee that you will have YOUR seats you paid for with the PSL.
30 years.
Which means if the team goes through another 20 year drought, you are obligated to continue paying the ever increasing season ticket prices. No matter what. Even if the team is on year 7 of Dick Jauron and refuses to fire him.
Yes.
As long as you understand going into the process that you are purchasing air, then all is fine.
Can’t disagree with any of this.
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Does he get a pass ? He gets some praise and a fair amount of criticism as well.
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16 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:
Just saw a mock on NFL.com by MJD where he has KC getting Worthy, who he refers to as Tyreke Hill 2.0. Ugh!Saw an ESPN mock last week that had the Bills drafting Worthy. None of these mocks mean a thing, really.
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On 4/3/2024 at 7:42 PM, Just Jack said:
He says he's sorry....
Rashee Rice: Police say they've now spoken with NFL player about hit-and-run : NPR
The people they hit are already getting lawyers.
Of course they are . Who wouldn’t ?
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Bass O Matic was a great nickname- and one of the greatest skits in SNL history. I do, however share some of the OPs concern with Bass. Perhaps a holder change will help, but they need to have another plan in case he’s “ lost it “.
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4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Forcing the 50 year people out and PSLs are different conversations. The answer is, “yes” the Bills needed to charge SIGNIFICANTLY more for the lower level, between the 30’s that are largely populated with the longest tenured season ticket holders. This was a response to “did the Bills really need to price out 50 year season ticket holders?”
I agree. A new stadium with a new pricing structure was a necessary part of keeping the Bills in Buffalo. They also knew that such a pricing change would mean some customers would be effective priced out - or “ lost”. The goal actually was not to retain 100% of the previous customers- not realistically anyway. The expectation is that new customers ( willing / able to spend significantly more ) would replace any who were lost. If it were (for the sake of argument )a brand new building with the same pricing and seat total then 100% retention would be the goal. This of course would never happen in the real world. More expensive seating with less seats overall guarantees some old customers will need to be replaced. Again, all of this was necessary if the Bills were to remain here. Otherwise they’d have simply left for greener pastures- and more green $$ elsewhere.
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4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
Maybe not as STHs, but they will be there. They find a way to travel all over the country to go to games, they will continue to go to games here too.Exactly. The NFL went upscale years ago. Compare a Super Bowl ticket today to the 90’s SB Bills games. It’s in another universe.
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Hopefully this means a big move in the draft and lots of resources sunk into the WR position. I have a suspicion that Sean using it to leverage even more being put into his Defense is more likely.
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6 minutes ago, Einstein said:
There are several ways people deal with adversity. Some people fight back. Some people disengage. And some people cope with it by rationalizing. "Yeah, they're charging a lot of money. But that's the business. The NFL has changed. We must understand. etc"
Rationalization is a defense mechanism in which controversial situations are justified and explained in a seemingly rational or logical manner to avoid the true explanation, and thereby make them appear less threatening. Some people will rationalize the PSL's which double dip on taxpayers by attributing them to broader, understandable business practices and changes within the NFL, suggesting that such changes are inevitable and should be accepted.
There is a bit of stockholm syndrome mixed in.
I haven't seen anyone in this thread who is shocked, stunned or surprise. Everyone knew it was coming. Some are pointing out the inequity in it. Thats not a sign of being surprised - its a sign of evaluating the situation for what it is.Of course there is “ inequity”. That shouldn’t be a surprise. Seeing the reality for what it is - reality is not “ coping” or rationalizing or any other psychobabble that you want to throw in there. It’s simply having a brain and seeing things for what they are. The world isn’t perfect. The other option was the team leaves. Neither is a perfect choice, but few things ever are. Some would prefer that the State, County etc “ save” the money and waste it on something else. I’m not one of them. The perfect third option just doesn’t exist, no matter how much anyone wishes it did.
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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
#1 - Yes, it would be zero.
#2 - I ran the math on this earlier. PSL value will be approximately 1/4 of what owners paid within 5 years of ownership. This could potentially change if the team wins a SB the year before you sell your tickets, but you would need that luck to cause a temporary spike.
Anyone looking at a PSL as some type of investment opportunity is probably checking out bridges in the Jersey swamplands too.
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24 minutes ago, Einstein said:
The general attitude I see in this thread is “We all knew it was coming, it’s what is common in the NFL, therefore it is okay.”
I, like you, don’t understand those feelings. But everyone is different and its a coping strategy on their part and people have to do what they have to do to get on.
Let them buy them first, and then scoop them up for pennie’s on the dollar in a few years.
Coping with what ? The Bills not leaving for greener pastures in some other city ? The NFL changed dramatically decades ago and that’s just reality. Those who seem shocked , stunned , surprised etc are the ones trying to “ cope”.
4 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:Now you can see why many are upset and "fearmongering". They have basically gave the middle finger to the average fan and said we don't want you in the good seats. The plebs move to the back.
The best seats were undervalued vs the rest of the league. That wasn’t going to continue in a new building.
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PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion
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They’re in business to make money. Lots of it.