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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
You thought literally any WR is what people were hoping for? We need a baseline outside starter. Claypool is a longshot reclamation project. He is closer to #90 on the roster than #53. This signing doesn't change anything about our needs, and I think you know that.
Lighten up.
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The general plan has been to give veterans who have not worked out due to injuries or whatever a shot vs. spend another draft pick on a WR. You know the top three guys now, just looking for #5 ( I assume Hollins or Shorter is a lock). If a guy like Claypool or Hamler works out great. If not they can get a guy during or after camp that doesn’t make a roster.
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I think back a couple years ago to the game against the Fish where we had 2 rookie safeties and a rookie CB starting. And they held Hill and Waddle to very little. The Fish just don’t bother me much.
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Bills fans conversations…
Going into the draft: We HAVE to draft a WR!!!!!
After the draft: Not THAT guy!!!!The week following: We HAVE to add a veteran outside/big WR!!!!!
After adding one: Not THAT guy!!!!
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They’ll win the division. The Fish lost too much on D and Tua ain’t the guy. The Jets can’t get out of their own way and Rogers will show his age. And the Pats clearly aren’t a threat. Once in the playoffs you got a shot.
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If the kid can stay healthy he’s got a shot. People were clamoring for a speed WR before and during the draft. But we have Hamler and Isabella with speed. Is there really any evidence a guy picked in day 3 offers more?
I suspect the WR room will look different opening day. Beane may pick up a vet FA after June 1, and once cuts are made may see a guy they like then.
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Just now, Malazan said:
Then explain why all the posts on Sabres forums are about him being too involved?
Some think that some think the other. Look up ones where he wasn’t there for different honoree ceremonies and such. Regardless, the man has a wife who has apparently suffered a completely debilitation medical event. If that’s where his attention is focused fine by me.
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7 minutes ago, Malazan said:
That's sounds made up to fir a narrative. If you go to the sabres board that's linked to this board or somewhere like hf boards... most sabres fans think he's too involved.
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Terribly difficult situation. I’ve read a lot about Terry supposedly being absent and not caring, particularly from Sabres fans. If this happened to your spouse you’d be with your life partner first and foremost. Anyone would. Or should.
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22 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
I can imagine this is the exact way Beane would reply.
So your gonna say an oft injured Hamler and a journey man in Isabella is gonna all of a sudden become weapons in the NFL? or a career long possession wr in Samuel is all of a sudden going to become a deep threat? I don't know what football your watching . These are definitely not the answers and you will witness that come September and if I'm wrong I'll admit it.
I am saying a day 3 pick this past weekend is hardly a guaranteed improvement over what is currently on the roster
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I like Sims when he’s on with Mad Dog. Seuss on I can take or leave. Ryan seems like he’ll be good, but will JJJ Watt be there each week? Watt, Ryan and Burleson along with Coach is a solid group. And I think the talent of JB (Menafee as well) is very underrated. To balance out conversations and move things along in a studio like that is not easy.
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We’ve witnessed the usual stuff post-draft. The second guessing of everything Beane did vs. those praising him to the heavens. Constant arguments about 40 times and gauntlet drills and on and on and on ad nauseum. How we needed to draft a speed guy even though there are several on the roster. On and on and on.
But the most important thing that will determine the success of guys like Coleman, what will determine the team’s success, is Joe Brady. He is charged with putting the guys he has in a position to get open, whether that be short throws or long. People are talking about how teams will clog the middle because we don’t have sideline receivers or guys that can go deep. While I would argue that, it’s on Brady to make sure we do by the packages and route trees he designs. He is also charged with getting Josh on board with finding open guys and getting them the ball.
To me we have plenty of offensive talent, led by the most dynamic QB and dynamic player in the league. I am encouraged by what I saw from Brady last year, but he must continue to improve. He must continue to alter things week by week so opposing defenses can’t predict what’s going on, which is what ultimately cost Dorsey his job. He must maximize Josh. I think he can, but time will tell. Let’s hope he’s up to the task.
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7 minutes ago, njbuff said:
Now we all should be convinced, right?
GTFOH
The ONLY way to know if this kid is a hit is when he hits the field. It’s been the same way with EVERY prospect in EVERY sport through the history of time, other than Mario Lemieux.
Winter sports drafting systems changed because of Lemieux.
There has yet to be a prospect in the history of football/baseball that will change the system because of a SUPER prospect like Lemieux.
There was also a kid named Gretzky people were pretty fond of. And going back further a kid named Perreault..
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13 minutes ago, Bills Bud said:
Depends what team. The Bengals (who have proven to the best to beat the Chiefs) had one of the best deep attacks. I’m not bringing up last year cause Burrow was injured. They would throw the ball down the field a lot with Chase and Higgins. We are trying to be the Chiefs with the dink and dunk… and you won’t do that better than them. Let Josh be Josh and let it rip. McDermott has held him back imoJosh's arm strength is shown where he fits the ball into tight windows, where he hits a guy on an out route that is well covered, and such. Throwing a 60 yard bomb is not the be all and end all of arm strength.
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3 minutes ago, Bills Bud said:
I agree. You don’t have a QB like Josh to dink and dunk the ball. It’s frustrating when people talk about WRs and bring up James Cook is a good pass catcher. Do you have the guy with strongest arm in the NFL to throw the ball to the RB 10 times a game? I hope not. Might as well get a guy like Jimmy Garappalo and pay him a quarter of what Josh is getting if that’s the gameplan
again, if you look at the stats from last year there was about one pass per game in the league that was 40 yards or more.
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4 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
Other then injury replacements, do we really need any other receivers? Last season our WR 4 & WR 5 had 21 & 22 targets respectively. In 2022 WR 4 had 20 targets and WR 5-9 had 30 targets total. in 2021 Davis was WR 4 and had a banner year with 63 targets, McKenzie at WR 3 had 28.
This coming season we already have 4 talented pass catchers and won't be relaying on the 4th WR to be Davis. If I had to guess Kincaid, Coleman, Samuel & Shakir will take the vast majority of the targets (70 to 110 each) with Cook as the 5th most likely target (about 50-60 targets). After them we have Knox who will see around 40 targets or more and Hollins who is perfectly capable of catching 30-40 balls as well if needed (he caught 57 w LVR in 2022). So what do we really need beyond those 7 players? That seems like more than enough depth for Josh.
Shorter, Hamler, Cephus, and the rest of the cannon fodder are competing for the WR5 role, which is a nothing burger. Over the last 5 years, the WR5 has averaged 23 targets a season. Is this someone we are really worried about?
Well stated. People just like to complain.
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1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
Obviously u can't throw the ball deep on every play but u do need the threat of being able to if it's not covered. As of right now this roster doesn't have that explosive speed threat on the outside. Teams are going to flood the short to intermediate passing lanes and dare us to hit them deep . By the very least the Bills needed to draft a speed wr after they selected Coleman and they failed to do so. It's a smack in the face of Bills fans when Beane mentioned players futures contracts for the reason why they didn't double dip. Tyrell Shavers are FN kidding me!
Samuel. Hamlet. Isabella. Three guys on the roster right now with speed. I am sick to death of this stuff. Why assume there was a guy on day 3 that offers more?
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3 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
Teams consistently contracted their coverage on us last year. We became less and less productive in the passing game (and more reliant on Josh's legs). Part of this was due to the scheme but also due to a lack of downfield threats. There was just no risk to giving up a big play for a TD. I'm just repeating what a lot of analysts pointed out.
If anything the Bills got worse this offseason. Gabe and Diggs were inconsistent last year, but we don't have anyone close now. None of those guys you mention - Hamler, Isabella and Samuel - have any real production downfield, despite good 40 times. (I mean Hamler has not done anything at all in his career, nor has Isabella really, so its laughable you even mention them)
No. You said a threat to go downfield. Any of these guys can run downfield, if in fact that is how Brady sets up the offense.
We all get your schtick by now. If they had stayed put and drafted the guy KC took you’d have spent the last two days talking about how we should have gotten a bigger guy that could win contested throws.
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2 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
Need to have the threat of the home run, or even deep post/out to keep Defenses honest. That involves WRs with the talent to do it, which we have none of now. We will not threaten outside the numbers down the field and probably only down the middle deep on seams to Kincaid. It's going to be all underneath stuff and ball control. I just think that wastes one of Josh's supreme talents. He'll never be Brady, he's a gunslinger.
The schematic mismatch with his HC is becoming painfully obvious.
Enough already. Samuel is fast. Hamler is fast. Isabella is fast. And on average, as has been posted in the last day or two, there was about 1 throw 40 yards or more per game on average in the league last year.
I know now it’s going to be that those guys aren’t good enough, but then you’d be assuming drafting some guy on say 3 would be. And we know what they say about those who assume.
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People keep talking about molding the offense around Josh and throwing long. But it’s not like he’s the only QB with an arm. Mahomes has an arm. Brady had one. Peyton. They won Super Bowls as I recall by taking what the defense gave, and taking deep shots when available. I think Josh can do that too.
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Only if he runs a 4.216874351 40 yard dash.
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36 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:
I think the point of the drill is not to show how fast you are, but to show how fluidly a prospect can catch multiple passes while on the move. It's not accurate to then use it to gauge relative game speed. What's a better metric is actual GPS game speed data. Found this, I'm sure there's more online.
2024 WRs
PlayerTop Speed
Xavier Worthy22.7
Troy Franklin22.3
Xavier Legette22.3
Marvin Harrison Jr.22.2
Brenden Rice22.1
Javon Baker21.7
Anthony Gould21.6
Ladd McConkey21.4
Brian Thomas Jr.21.4
Jalen McMillan21.3
Tahj Washington21.1
Jamari Thrash21
Jalen Coker20.9
Ja'Lynn Polk20.2
Keon Coleman19.6
Oldman (formerly indybillsfan) called me thickheaded. he seems a little grumpy
Get in to your thick heads people, he's not fast. He will not be running go routes or taking the tops off of defenses. So we will be faced with the same issue as last year, whereDefenses collapse on the short stuff. But he could/shouldexcel underneath. He might end up more like Anquan Bolden - thriving underneath and breaking tackles to get 1st downs.
A quote from your post which I was responding to. I thought I’d use phrasing you were familiar with.
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36 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:
I said with good hands too 😃
Guy hasn't amounted to much in his career and we cannot rely on him to be the missing piece. It's a total folly to think our WR room is complete
It’s equally folly to assume any guy we’d have taken on day 3 would automatically be better than guys currently on the roster. I think they’ll add a guy after June 1.
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32 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:
Can Brady use the ones on our roster effectively? Imo, yes based on last few games he was the OC.
Is that receiver room adequate? Absolutely not. We need at least one vet and/or speedy WR with good hands. Otherwise the overall offense is going to be limited and again dependent on Allen's superman efforts
You have a veteran speedy guy already. Isabella.
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I keep bringing this up, but in the entire league last year about 1% of passes traveled 40 yards or more in the air. Offenses are not based on long bombs. Allen's arm strength is shown when he can get passes into very tight windows and such. And getting better runners will take the pressure off Josh to run, which will theoretically extend his career.
Mahomes has a big arm too, but the Chiefs offense is not based on long passes and they are very successful. When are you going to realize your complaints about the offense around Josh are simply off-base?