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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yep. That is the way to see this pick. We have upgraded on Gabe Davis as WR2. But if you see Curtis Samuel therefore as the Diggs replacement we have significantly downgraded at that spot.
First, I appreciate the time and the work you put in. But you have no way to know if Samuel is a downgrade. Diggs performance fell off the second half of last year, roughly corresponding to the switch in OC. Brady’s offense appears to be more focused on spreading the ball around.
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I think a CB and a bigger RB are givens.
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2 hours ago, mrags said:
How does everyone feel now? Not that anyone cares. But what a terrible pick. Could have traded down more and still got him. Would have rather taken the best punter than this joke.
this front office sucks.
Solid picks at WE and S. Why don’t you just run along now?
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6 hours ago, mjt328 said:
Pretend for a moment you aren't a Bills fan, and you are objectively looking at this roster from the outside.
The team has quite obviously taken a step backwards at several key positions (Wide Receiver, Safety and Edge Rusher). Less talented players will now be expected to step into starting spots and play more snaps. At other positions, there is also less depth when the inevitable injuries happen (Offensive Line, Defensive Tackle). Not to mention the significant loss of leadership, with five longtime veterans walking out the door (Stefon Diggs, Mitch Morse, Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde). The biggest remaining star on defense (Matt Milano) is returning from a major leg injury.
Yes, there are still 4 months left until the start of the regular season. But I'm struggling to see the pathway where we can fill all these spots with guys who can make an impact in 2024. The veteran FA market has pretty much dried up, and we won't have cap space until June 1. The rookies who could have made an immediate Year 1 impact are already gone.
This team wasn't good enough in 2020, 2021, 2022 and 2023. Can anyone honestly say this roster looks BETTER in 2024?
I’ll take these in order:
WR: They traded a guy on the north side of 30 who did not play that well the last half of last season. That corresponded to the new OC taking over. So we lost Diggs but until the draft is over we don’t know if we downgraded.
S: lost two older guys that had lost a step and replaced with younger guys in Rapp and Edwards
O line: lost Morse, good run block but was having trouble with rushing DTs. Added depth with Collins. No problem here.
Edge: lost one guy in Floyd who slowed down a lot the last half of the year
Biggest star on defense: Milano we will see, but ignoring guys like Oliver and Bernard and Douglas is ridiculous
So are we better? Impossible to know until the draft is done, camp is done, and games are played.
54 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:We will see what he does in the next 12 hours.
There still was no reason to trade Diggs at this time and make your team worse. They could just have easily kept Diggs and still traded down and still drafted a WR.
Now they need to add at least two WRs to even have a roster of 5 NFL caliber WRs. There are still several name UFA out there Beane can add after June 1st. They may already have a deal in place for one of them.
I assumed then and do now that Josh was consulted about Diggs and he wanted him gone, that he was tired of the nonsense.
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I suspect they had about a half dozen WRs with similar grades so they knew they could move back, stockpile some more picks, and get one.
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Beane said he didn’t have 32 guys with first round ratings. So he moved back and got more picks. Simple. And Worthy was apparently one of those guys.
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Thought we’d move up for him. Could be DeJean
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No defense selected. Such is the league now, all offense.
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Anybody just hear a gigantic scream of frustration from down South?
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Just north of Indy. Will make my own weck rolls and get some really good beef.
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I think he’s had conversations about moving into the top 10 to get a guy like Harrison, but didn’t like what he heard. I still think he’ll move up somewhere in round 1 to get a guy he really likes, whether it’s a WR or not we’ll see. To me a first round pick should go to someone you think has All-Pro potential, and if that’s at a position other than WR so be it.
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34 minutes ago, Chaos said:
If you take an objective view of the current Bills roster, other than Allen, are there any players on the current roster that justify refering to Beane as a wizard. Or is it more accurate to say the current roster, other than Allen, is kind of meh.
Why pose it as a question of such extremes?
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6 minutes ago, Rubes said:
Since we're almost upon the draft, I thought I'd bring up this annual topic:
First rounders are believed, by most, to have the best chance of success in the NFL, on average. But as we all know, the draft is largely a crapshoot, and first rounders fail to live up to expectations all the time (looking at you, Elam). Sometimes we chalk it up to poor player evaluation, or poor player adjustment to the NFL, among other things. In some cases, we also think the specific situation they're drafted into is the cause, whether it's poor coaching, poor team culture, lack of supporting cast, and so on.
If that latter point is the case it stands to reason those players could be successful in a different situation, on a different team.
I'm wondering how often we see that this is the case with 1st rounders. That is, how many first rounders fail on the teams that drafted them, only to be released or traded to another team to become as successful as originally projected when they were drafted? Is the specific drafting team situation really a thing that has been proven by those who have changed teams? Or is it mostly a convenient excuse?
What are some strong examples of first rounders who failed to live up to expectations on their drafting team, and then left to go to another team and achieved the success that eluded them? Does Jerry Hughes fit this? Are there others?
Jim Plunkett.
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At the turn of the century there was a list of the thousand most important people of the millennium. The top of the list was Gutenberg because of the printing press. I vote for that because the printing press allowed for the widespread sharing and application of knowledge.
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To watch him live at the Rich was unbelievable. A phenomenal talent, one of the best ever, but also a degenerate murderer post NFL. I have no sorrow or mercy for him today.
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Funny this is asked during Masters week
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Diggs of course. Reich had the most iconic moment. Let’s not be ridiculous.
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You can’t fix stupid
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Try and trade up for one of the top 3. If you can’t make the deal stand Pat, they’ll be some pretty good ones at 28.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
If that is all you think we need then I don't know what to tell you. We may have guys we could start if we HAD to, but lets not pretend we are better at each of those positions than we were last year on a team that already didn't make it past the 2nd round and had to rally just not to miss the playoffs.
We are better at safety. Two younger guys with experience in Rapp and Edwards for two older guys. We are the same if not better at DT. At LB Milano is back so better there. At DE lost Floyd but Miller should be healed up. On O line May lose a bit in the run game since Morse could pull well but should be better in pass pro. Got our two RB back. Fine at TE.
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8 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
To me - depth is the difference between great and good. Players will get hurt. If the players who step in are incapable of getting it done, it ends up showing within your W/L record.
We always bring in depth. Every team does. I think a mistake some make is in thinking depth guys should perform at an All Pro level.
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4 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
I think the depth at CB, S, DT, and DE are a bit concerning. I hope they draft a back late just to get a cheap option on the books - sick of signing league minimum vets who aren't very good.
Safety - still free agents out there that could be interesting options if they decide to add a vet and keep rapp as a 3rd safety.
CB - Several late round picks, i'd expect we use one here
DT - 3T has a gaping hole behind oliver. Considering the pass rush can be somewhat reliant upon this position, i'd put a quality player on a rookie deal as among the more important things to walk away from in this draft
DE - Rousseau is about off his rookie deal, doesn't need to be super high but another position where they need to find someone to contribute today with upside into the future.
To me depth does not equal holes. A hole to me is needing a starter.
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32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
lol…another 0% chance scenario. Every thread you’re giving away the farm to get every WR with no consideration for substantial amount of holes on this team.
There is absolutely no chance Beane is trading up TWICE in first 2 rounds for 2 WRs leaving us very little ammo to find the players we need in our secondary and DL as well. Not to mention another RB and OL depth we are likely going to use some of the day 3 picks on. And to do so in the deepest and richest WR draft in history is utterly insane.
To get into the mid teens, it’s probably going to cost us our first next year as well without having to gut some of our draft capital this year that we need. Everyone forgets the other team needs to want to move back to and be worth passing on the talent that will be there at OL, DL, CB, and even the WR for themselves.
Where at these holes? Maybe 1 guy at DE. We have starters at CB, S, LB, O line, RB, DT, DE.
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1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said:
D-Line is hardly as set as you would like - Have to look at DE at a minimum. They also need youth on D-line. Von is a shell of himself and getting NFL old. Oliver is good, Epenesa a good rotational player but the rest of the group is a patchwork.
I am looking at starters, where you have to fill in a starting spot. They have Rousseau, Epenesa, Miller at that spot. As P pointed out they could add a draft pick ther levfor depth but it is not a hole.
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Oh come on. Diggs is getting older and fell off last year. He will at best be the Texans #2 this year (good luck with that CJ). If you don’t mind. , I’d like to see what happens before making sweeping pronouncements.