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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
There are examples further back, but most recently 2016 Cam Newton and 2017 Matt Ryan . They said to say "Hi"
I guess this could open a can of worms debate about what "elite" and what "average" look like and I don't want to go there. The point is there is plenty of precedent for an elite MVP QB to "regress to their mean", or to have an off year, the year after they win the title. It takes a very rare human being to be an NFL QB in the first place, but it takes a rare NFL QB to not let their head get a bit turned by the Hype Train Express that follows the league MVP gig.
We're forever spoiled by Manning winning 5 MVPs.
Cam is arguably the best dual threat QB in the history of the league. Ryan won it in Year 9 and has always been good to great.
"Regress to the mean" will happen, but what's Lamar's mean? Time will tell.
42 total TDs was a great preview of what's to come.
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4 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
You’re not arguing anything. If you remember, that’s where yours and my interaction began was me calling you out for calling Shaw’s post stupid without nothing to engage it. You still haven’t. I don’t think anyone in this thread is saying Lamar isn’t good in his own way (Shaw certainly didn’t), critics are pointing to his flaws and shortcomings. You didn’t want to debate those, so you acted superior and considered the debate below you.
Shaw's OP had some ridiculous (we can call them stupid) takes I've already highlighted, and I stand by them.
they're a couple of the best running backs in the league
Mahomes stands in the pocket, makes decisions and makes throws. Jackson doesn't.
good as Mahomes arm is, he can't learn to throw like Josh.
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21 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
I’m saying MVP doesn’t mean anything for long term projection and it doesn’t make a player unquestionably good as the poster I was engaged in implied.
There's no precedent for elite MVP QBs regressing to average, especially 22 year olds.
What are we really arguing here, that Lamar isn't unquestionably good? That's he not an elite player and one of the best dual threat playmakers in the league? Geezus, Shaw's OP said that he LIMITS their offense, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
He is younger than Joe Burrow right now and has already led the league in TD passes, broke the rushing yardage record and won a MVP. He has given us zero reason to believe that he can't continue to improve and be a force for a decade or more. This is not about him being the best player in the league, but he is absolutely a top talent, and one that deserves some 'spect on his name.
I'll say this - there are plenty of elite players in this league, but there are a small percentage of elite players that look like they are playing on Madden rookie mode . It usually isn't for their entire careers, but it's enough to leave a permanent impression. Odell Beckham, Revis, Gronk and JJ Watt each had multi year streaks where they were truly unstoppable and captivated football fans everywhere . We are in a time where Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Tyreek Hill and Aaron Donald (there are others, but not many) are showing those characteristics multiple times a year and absolutely abusing their competition. Josh is starting to enter that conversation, and I look forward to seeing these two QBs tear up the league for years to come.
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7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
Thank you for defeating your own argument. If Rich Gannon can win an MVP, anyone can. One years performance is not indicative of a career path. Sean Alexander says hi.Additionally (and you’d know this if you actually were here to have an intellectual conversation) Lamar’s MVP season is built as much on his running as it is his passing. Take that away and he’s not an MVP.
You can't take away Lamar's running ability, and he led the league in passing TDs last year.
Damn, did we do the same thing with Mahomes in 2018? Trying to put an asterisk on everything he accomplished in ~2 seasons in exhausting.
This thread needs some video:
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2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
You’re argument here is that an MVP award is a bona-fide guarantee that a player is elite and will continue to be?Yep - look at the MVP list from the past 30 years...the floor is Rich Gannon (and he won it at 37)
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3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
Man shut up. Stop acting like you know better without actually making an argument. You look a fool.
That's the point - you don't need to when you're talking about MVPs.
The notion that you have to go into deep statistical analysis and All 22 review around a MVP is insane.
He's a phenomenal player, and I look forward to seeing what his next few chapters look like.
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8 minutes ago, whatdrought said:
What an idiotic response.
“Um, this post is so bad and so wrong that I’m so offended that I won’t even tell you why It’s so bad and wrong, I’ll just use a quote that makes me look like I know what I’m talking about even though I won’t engage the topic.”
Par for the course in an idiotic thread.
Ya'll keep wasting brain cells trying to tear down league MVPs.
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6 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
Ballsy post by the OP, he knew he would get push back and still made his opinion known with strong analysis.
What analysis? There are zero statistics, no videos to check out, just lazy opinions
Mahomes stands in the pocket, makes decisions and makes throws. Jackson doesn't.
If he's going to make it, he has a lot of work to do as a pocket passer.
Have we ever spoken about a MVP in that way? Seriously. It's beyond asinine.
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6 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
It’s not one poor game, as a passer Lamar isn’t developing. Can you show me how he is?
I am not trying to take Lamar down, I am just saying, I think he will be an easier QB to beat than some other ones like Mahomes. The announcers said it last night during the game, the Ravens don’t play well when coming from behind because they aren’t a passing team. Uh hello, we as Bills fans know that will take you only so far.
Mahomes leads the best offense we've seen since the 2007 Patriots, unless you are perfect, you aren't beating him.
As a passer Lamar isn't developing? You are ***** with me right? He let the league in passing TDs last year.
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Say it with me..."We don't have to tear down Lamar, to prop Josh up".
Lamar is a phenomenal player and deserves his place at the "elite of the elite" table. Josh is well on his way to earning a seat. Both of these things can exist simultaneously.
Frankly, I find this take to be garbage. "The end of an era" because the MVP had one bad game? Get outta here...
Shaw - you come for the king, you better not miss.
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8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Honestly, you don't have to crap on one guy to lift another guy up.
Nailed it.
Lamar is an amazing QB. One poor game does nothing to dent that reality. He has shown us nothing to suggest he won't continue to improve.
Josh is quickly becoming an elite, top 5 QB, before our eyes. Just enjoy the ride!
Both guys are very early in writing their stories. I'd love to face off against Lamar or Mahomes in the AFC Championship year after year!
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Donald scares me far more than Ramsey.
Even if we have to sacrifice Smoke or Diggs to Ramsey Island, we have enough playmakers that we should still score plenty of points.
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As mentioned before, Josh and statistics historically don't mix, which caused years of takes that JA was trash (I'm guilty). The last two games have been uncharted territory.
If he continues to play like a top 5 QB, the statistics will match up fairly quickly.
The 'PFF is ####" takes are pretty dramatic, as they've' clearly shown value to NFL teams. Data is only part of player analysis, and you have to known when to take it with a grain, or gallon, of salt.
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This is year 5 in the "Josh Allen vs Statistics" bout.
Josh has never been an analytical darling, so at least their consistent.
Whatever - dude balled out yesterday. Bring on the Rams!
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Josh served some crow appetizers last year, but today, he served a feast.
He did what great QBs are supposed to do against bad teams - kick the ***** out of them.
It was the most complete performance of his career - bring on the Rams!
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1 hour ago, Marv's Neighbor said:
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Canada does not seem to have this problem,
There have been some massive wildfires in Canada the past decade
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"LiVe SomEwhErE eLSe" is such a lazy take.
There are countless examples around the globe of society thriving in resource poor or hazardous areas.
That doesn't mean we should allow uncapped growth and completely pillaging of the environment to make it work (Ex. Insane diversion of the Colorado River), but people have to live somewhere, and that doesn't make them reckless.
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It has its pros and cons, like anywhere.
The weather, mountains and coast are a pretty big draw.
CA is not one size fits all....you can't compare Del Mar to Santa Clara, or Ontario to Truckee.
Some places are absolutely nuts (ex. starters homes in San Jose going for ~$1M) and I really don't know how people make it work.
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Geezus, this thread needs to be nuked from orbit.
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Just now, AirAllenPower said:
If he keeps up this level of play, yes. It is happening.
LOL - good laughs man. Wake me when he truly can go toe to toe with the elite.
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2 minutes ago, AirAllenPower said:
If Josh Allen keeps up this level of play vs the jets, he will be mvp and the best qb in the NFL by November
I'd be stoked if he was a unanimous top 10 QB.
Unless Mahomes, Jackson, Russel Wilson and Rodgers have a meltdown of the likes we've never seen, this isn't happening.
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6 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
Fair enough, there is a lot of wasted ad spend but a lot of it is accurately targeted. I work sales/biz dev in the digital marketing industry, so I do know all the pros & cons and many ads aren’t aimed at efficiency and optimization. I just billieve the fall of Deadspin had little to do with the ads on their site and more to do with the content. If valuable users regularly visited the site, the ad space would be much more expensive and the junk ads wouldn't afford to bombard the sites users
The content was certainly different and best read occasionally. They had a few gems over the years (ex. SI becoming a content mill, Nathan Peterman).
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18 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
So how are products or services suppose to acquire new customers?
In the digital space, not by banner ads, cookies, pop ups and autoplay videos.
These all degrade the user experience, and the conversion rates are pitiful. We often see <0.01% leads/site visitors at my company, and those are just leads!
Say what you want about Defector, or any of these sites, but $80-$100 a year really isn't much to get content you value without being pummeled by spam.
Sales + business development, doing the dirty work, always have and always will be the revenue generators.
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This was their best burn
McDermott will be the longest tenured coach in Buffalo since Marv Levy. That sounds impressive until you learn that the current holder of that title is Dick Jauron
Not their best...it felt rushed. Even the WFT and Cleveland ones were meh.
I dig the site though. In their "About Us" section, they provide a great read on how they got here.
Peak Deadspin filled a unique niche and was a nice break from the usual sports takes. I hope it works out for them.
12 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:Paywall = Business killer
The money is in marketing, specifically advertising.
Marketing is sales without accountability.
Digital marketing / advertising needs to die. Talk about a waste of resources.
The End of the Lamar Jackson Era
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I love seeing Cam making plays again, even if it's for the Pats. He's an exciting player.
Lamar's 2019 season is as memorable as they come. I like to think more are on deck.