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What QB are they paying?
The next QB they pay mega money to will be 5 years down the line.
The Panthers season went down the tubes without Norman. Julio Jonses had over 300 yards receiving in one game against that secondary.
Hopefully they learned their lesson...
It was a lot more than just John Norman though. They had to replace 3/4 of their starting secondary from the previous season. They were starting multiple rookies in the secondary. They had a bunch of key injuries to some of their best player, like Luke Keuchly and Cam Newton (concussion and then shoulder injury) and key players on the defensive line. Cam Newton regressed terribly, after having his best year ever in 2015. Their offensive line regressed terribly, and the passing game went way downhill because of it. The defensive line regressed badly too. They went from being at the top of the NFL for sacks and QB pressure all the way to near the bottom of the NFL. That will put extra pressure on even the best secondary.
They also lost their #1 CB in that game against Atlanta, and Atlanta lit up a bunch of teams last season. Their offense was incredible. They torched the best secondary in the league right after that (Denver).
The Panthers secondary was actually playing well before that game.
Losing John Norman was a small part of the problem, but not even close to the only reason why that team regressed so much.
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The sense I got from piecing together the bits of evidence from stuff that is out there is that Kansas City had always targeted the Bills at #10 as their trade partner. They were active in calling teams ahead for fear that there might be a "jumper" (and my understanding is the Giants were the team they were most concerned about) who would spring ahead of them into the top 10. I think a lot of those calls were more "if other teams call you don't do a deal with them before speaking to us."
John Dorsey actually said in his press conference that he didn't think they needed to move any higher than #10 to get Mahomes.
From what I read the team they were most concerned about was New Orleans at 11.
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I was left very impressed by Beane's opening press conference. Much more impressive than I initially thought when hired.
The guy is a fantastic public speaker. It would be a crime if they don't let him talk to the press more.
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that is HIGHLY debatable...I have grown up, 40 years watching the Bills. You grow up and get off your high horse. I will call it like I see it. We're losers 17 years of this crap. So I will say what I want when I want.
Are you sure you're even a fan of the Bills? You keep calling everyone that supports their hometown team losers (and anyone who doesn't agree with the Exact move you wanted the Bills to make in the 1st round).
Every single one of us Bills fans wants this team to be a winner. Every one of us wants great QB for the Bills. Just because everyone isn't sure (or doesn't think) that Mahomes will be a multi Super Bowl, hall of fame type QB doesn't mean we don't.
nobody can know with any certainty what he will be. 1st round QBs bust at over a 50% rate. NFL teams, with dozens of people who get paid to do this for a living - people who spend years scouting these players and digging into their personal lives and gathering every imaginable detail - get it wrong constantly. To post your opinion on him like its a fact, declare him a hall of fame type QB and say that whatever team drafts him will win multiple Super Bowls is just silly.
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I was excited when I read this at the bottom of a WGR article about Botterill's press conference and wanted to share -
http://www.wgr550.com/articles/news/botterill-won-his-first-press-conference
"I’m only adding this to the article because I know many of you have had a lot of concern about Kyle Okposo. I ran into him and his family today and he looked great. I just briefly asked him how he felt and he said MUCH better. Forget about player/media, it was very good to see him out and about and looking so good."
I also recently read something about what happened to Okposo may have just been a bad reaction to concussion meds he was on. That would kind of make sense if true. It could explain why he was in the neuro ICU. Hopefully whatever it was is behind him now and he can go back to his life/career with no ill effects. That whole Okposo situation was some scary stuff, though.
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I thought there was more to his issues than just smoking pot. Pretty sure I read somewhere that he had issues drinking and using other drugs too. Sounded like the kid was a bit of a mess.
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Nice!
Would be awesome if so, thought he was on track for a TC clearance. OTAs would be great.
@reggieragland
Cleared!!! Thank you lord!!!
Nice!
That would be great if he is a full go already. Gives him some time to really step up the training regime before training camp.
Really looking forward to seeing what this kid can do on the field this season.
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I don't think we can judge what McDermott will do on 4th down by what Rivera did in Carolina. I'd rather look at what McDermott has said and done himself. If you look at his defenses, McDermott has always played an aggressive defense, and I would be somewhat surprised if he didn't continue to do that in Buffalo.
Here's a few quotes on McDermott's defense in Carolina -
Kyle Shanahan - "Sean does a great job," Shanahan said. "They're always aggressive, they're always sound. You know they're going to attack. They're not going to sit on their heels. They're going to be going right at you. Sean does a good job even going against him when he was in Philly. He switches up his scheme a lot and he's always a tough guy to go against."
Pete Carroll - "They were really good," Carroll said. "They posed problems. Very aggressive, well-rounded, really good scheme. Good mix oriented, pressured well. It's a good group. I'm glad that we know it. We've played against him a lot, so I'm familiar with that."
Dirk Koetter - "..... He was always going to try to exploit your weaknesses. He did a great job of attacking your protections with his blitzes. Very, very sound defense. Rarely out of position....."
Here's what McDermott said himself -
http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/28/sean-mcdermott-buffalo-bills-analytics-fourth-down/
Sean McDermott says his personality is aggressive when it comes to 4th down. "If we're going down we're going down guns blazing."
We won't really know anything until we see his head coaching style this coming season. So as of now it's all speculation. But looking his history as a DC and what he has said in his time as Bills HC, it leads me to believe that he will be aggressive. It's not like this is necessarily the mark of a great coach anyway. There are a lot more important things to being a head coach than whether or not he is aggressive or conservative.
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i think you are discounting how much scouting is done on the players. We have NFL scouts here watching freshmen in practice at Ohio state regularly, like down to how they prepare for practice. I also have a relative in an NFL FO for almost 20 years. Weekly Scouting meetings are with the actual heads of college scouting and coaches, not each and every area scout. They give their info to their directors. The board I'm referring to is the initial ranking of players based on position and where they think they will go per round. Not sure if you are focused on a team's actual final draft board, which isn't necessary to know ... that if the Bills want Zay Jones, had known he's going in the 2nd, and know the Panthers had him ranked as their 4th best WR or higher they better jump up if they want him. McD hired his WR coach due to the exposure he likely had to the Panthers throughout the scouting process. While I appreciate the articles you read about when the actual draft boards are "set" for different teams ... the info isn't actually created at that time. The info has been discussed tirelessly and it is indeed for years.
The question is how much room the Panthers had between Zay and Curt. If it was a lot they would have tried to move up to the top of the 2nd to get him too. I don't think it was. I also don't know if they would have taken Dawkins instead of Moton. All they knew is they wanted those players and they knew the Panthers were very high on them, and they projected to go in those areas of the draft. If they wanted to make sure they got them they needed to move up.
Again I'm not trying to argue I'm just explaining how I know this stuff works ... narratives are being created out of lack of info on this board. What any of this has to do with character and integrity as the OP suggests is beyond me.
Great post. Interesting stuff.
I thought this did a very good job of explaining why McDermott wouldn't need to know Carolina's final draft board to know he may have needed to jump them to ensure that he got the player he wanted.
I still think this whole thing about a leaked draft board is ridiculous anyway. Teams jump other teams all the time because they have nothing more than an inkling that team might take the player they want. Where as McDermott had much more inside knowledge of the team he was jumping, who they scouted, who they liked (etc), than is usually the case.
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Yes, I think Leslie Frazier, Ron Rivera, and Sean McDermott are all on a branch from the Jim Johnson tree.
Jim Johnson was an innovative, attacking the QB coordinator.
And all of these guys started out that way.
But when these guys got their own chances:
Leslie Frazier favored a Tampa 2, bend but don't break simple scheme. He also liked to punt.
Ron Rivera handed his defense over to Sean but is known by fans as a VERY conservative head coach who punts the ball a lot.
Sean is the next one to get a chance. We shall see but his scheme in Carolina has become more similar to Frazier's Tampa 2 than what he originally was learning with Jim Johnson. He also selected Frazier to run his D, an ominous sign.
We will see. There's really no way to know for sure until we see him coach.
But McDermott ran a much more aggressive Jim Johnson type scheme in Carolina and Philly than what Frazier ran out on his own.
It'll be interesting to see which way it goes with the 2 of them working together.
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Excited about the Botterill hire. Seems like a smart and well rounded GM candidate.
You never know about a GM until you see the moves/trades he makes and give things time to play out. But I am definitely hopeful about this hire.
Penguins fans were pretty upset about losing him too, that's usually a good sign. They were really hoping we'd take Bill Guerin instead...
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This is the same logic that some Bills fans with Tyrod. Do people honestly think coaches are in practice with Smith and Taylor & are holding them back? You honestly think if Smith and Taylor were like Rodgers or Brady they would have the same playbook?
They are both flawed qbs who have limitations. Reid has maximized Alex Smith's entire ability. And Mahomes is in a great situation to learn from a great qb teacher and very smart vet qb. Basically, they are doing the exact opposite of what the Bills did with EJ.
SMD is a defensive coach who is conservative by nature. Taylor is a type of qb a defensive coach wants because he is safe.
IMO, you don't become great by being safe. I fear that SMD is going to be Jauron and Marrone like as a coach. That said, it's an improvement over Rex.
I'm not so sure !cDermott is conservative. I guess we won't know for sure until we see him actually coach a game as HC...
But, he learned his defensive system from Jim Johnson, and ran a very aggressive Jim Johnson style defense in Carolina.
He also said himself that he is aggressive by nature and will be aggressive as a coach. Said that's what players like, they want to go for the win.
Like I said, time will tell.
McDermott worked for Reid. I don't consider them similar as coaches. Andy is offense and Sean is defense. Reid is a brilliant X and O's coach as well as a QB guru.
I see Leslie Frazier and Ron Rivera as the true tree McDermott resides on.
Nope. Jim Johnson.
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Really? How so?
I was kind of referring to how Andy Reid got hired in KC and asked for a specific GM to be hired to work with him and McDermott did the same in Buffalo.
But you can clearly see how big of an influence Andy Reid has had on Sean McDermott in almost everything he's said and done...
Andy Reid disciples and ties are all over this coaching staff, obviously starting with McDermott (who has said multiple times that Reid was his biggest influence).
Leslie Frazier, another Reid protege from his coaching tree.
Juan Castillo, who worked with Andy Reid for 17 years (1995-2012)
David Cully is another long time Andy Reid guy - worked with Reid from 1999 to 2017. Was his assistant head coach his entire time in KC.
Chad Hall played for Andy Reid.
Gill Byrd worked for Dirk Koetter, who's a long time friend of Andy Reid. They came up through the college ranks together going all the way back to SF state and Missouri (and Byrd was rumored to be recommended by Reid).
McDermott's (reported) first choice for OC (and reportedly the first offensive coordinator McDermott went after) was Brad Childress, another Andy Reid protege and current KC Chiefs coach.
He then hired Rick Dennison, who runs a west coast style of offense like Andy Reid (and IIRC who Reid was rumored to suggest to McDermott).
Then as far as his coaching, managerial and team building philosophies - you can see Andy Reid's fingerprints all over that too.
How McDermott takes notes on everything - practices, games, scheduling, every conversation with other coaches, ex players, etc. (that's an Andy Reid trade mark). His extreme attention to detail, and going over every possible scenario (another Reid trade mark). The one voice, everyone in unison stuff. The emphasis he puts on team first, and the team building exercises he believes in. How he believes coaching is all about relationships (with players and fellow coaches). How the main emphasis of the coaching staff he's assembled was on finding coaches who are very good teachers first and foremost. How they want to focus on details and execution. How McDermott said he wants to emphasize controlling the line of scrimmage and build strong offensive and defensive lines (and hired 2 of the best line coaches in the NFL).
I could keep going on and on about the similarities but I've already typed a book. you get the point, if you've even read this far... lol.
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Andy Reid schooled the new HC on the day of the draft by making a deal with the younger fellow to get a qb on draft day. The older and heavier HC showed by his aggressive actions how important it is to get a good qb prospect in the fold sooner rather than later.
When all is said and done getting McDermott and Beane hired and working together in the organization is an upgrade from a variety of standpoints. One of the biggest positive outcomes is that there is now a great degree of coherency and unity throughout the football operation. The HC and the GM and their respective staffs will be working in tandem instead of tugging against one another. That is a fundamental change that hasn't existed for a long time.
Sometimes the process of reorganizing an organization gets messy drawing warranted criticisms. Hiring a HC before getting a GM very often causes problems. In addition, empowering a first time HC to the extent that he is now empowered is also something to be wary of. But all these issues are mitigated because both of the new hires have been close associates and both seem to share the same philosophies about how to run an organization and build a roster.
I agree with mostly everything you said, except the bolded statement.
Andy Reid and John Dorsey were both hired in KC back in Jan. 2013 and they did not draft a serious QB prospect until their 5th year/draft with the team. This is the first time they took a 1st round QB. They have only taken 1 QB besides Mahomes in that entire time (Aaron Murray in the 5th round, 163rd overall back in 2014).
So it seems to me that took their sweet time getting a good QB prospect in the fold. They built the rest of the team up over the previous 4 years first.
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Belichick is really above everyone else.....BTW, it doesn't really screw Blount...the comp pick does not come from the team who would pick LB...Would the Giants or Lions hesitate to pick him up because NE will get a 5th next year ?.....I don't think so....
That chess vs checkers is getting old, but it is accurate....
That would actually help them....
The reason I think it screws Blount is now he can't wait out a contract. Where as if they had t done this, he could have sat and waited for an injury or hole to open up during preseason (etc).
But now if he remains u signed thru July 22nd, he can't play for anyone but the Patriots in 2017 (and they aren't likely to give him more than the $1.1M tender).
I agree though on Belichick. He is on another level. I hate him and the Patriots, but man do I respect his coaching abilities and knowledge of every damn rule and loophole.
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Ok, cool. It was the Seattle situation I wanted the Bills to follow where Pete Carroll did a real GM search and found Schneider.
Yeah I think it's pretty clear McDermott is modeling the Bills after Andy Reid and his philosophies.
I get wanting to see a more extensive GM search. I can't say I wouldn't have liked to see that.
But there's a lot worse coaches to model things after.... I'll be pretty damn happy if McDermott and Beane turn out to be anything like Reid and Dorsey in KC.
I sure like it better than the jumbled mess of crap that has been the Bills front office and coaching staff the last decade +
At least we seem to have a clear plan now, and it's brought about a lot of meaningful change at One Bills Drive. Ralph's old boy's club lifers are almost all gone now. Only what, 2 left? And I think - is on his way out the door momentarily, and the other I ink has been more/less neutered, so...
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....fact....when Alex was available, OBD passed because they termed him a "lateral move from Fitzpatrick".......OBD QB prowess is enviable..............
Which I am sure plays into the reason why the entire scouting and personnel staff was just fired...
Hopefully the new staff being out together will do a much better job at evaluating QBs.
If they plan to focus on accuracy, ability to read defenses, find open receivers and throw with anticipation (as the Peterman pick, and what McDermott said afterwards seems to suggest), I already like our chances a LOT better than under the old staff.
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What years were those?
I looked up Wikipedia and maybe late 90's?
The Seattle Seahawks though I am pretty sure Carroll and Schneider never worked together.
Dorsey worked for the Packers the entire time Reid was there from '92-'98.
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I think it is possible that a GM under a coach could be a GM. The Seattle situation Pete Carroll lets his GM operate even though Pete technically has final say. But I think McDermott doesn't strike me as the collaborative type. I believe Dorsey also didn't know Reid before he was hired, just like Carroll wasn't buddies with Schneider.
So if the Bills are following a model it looks more like the Chip Kelly model.
Andy Reid and John Dorsey both worked together in Green Bay for years.
Reid was hired 1st, and then Dorsey a few weeks later. It was said that Andy Reid specifically requested John Dorsey for the GM role.
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No way to make that determination. And are you saying that the Bills shouldn't take a quarterback next year because they don't have someone to develop him?
No, I'm not saying we shouldn't take a QB next year. And I honestly don't know if we have someone to develop a QB yet or not. Do you?
We haven't seen these coaches in camp or on the sidelines yet. I definitely hope that McDermott, Dennison and his staff can develop a QB, but I have no way of knowing at this point in time. Seeing what they do with Tyrod, Cardale and Peterman this year should hopefully start to give us at least some idea.
I was just saying that KC and Buffalo were in completely different positions for this past draft. KC was in a position that they could take a shot on a developmental/project QB in the 1st round, and that even if Mahomes is successful in KC that doesn't necessarily mean that he would have had that same level of success here.
Personally, I think taking Mahomes was a reach at #10. But again, I feel KC was in a much better position to where they could take that shot on a high risk type of QB (and he's also going to a great spot where he can sit and develop, then eventually step in with a strong team to surround him). Buffalo wasn't in that same spot. They only had 6 picks and a ton of holes + a rookie HC who can't necessarily afford to blow his very first 1st round pick.
As far as next year, if Buffalo identifies a QB that they feel could be our franchise guy, I say take a shot with one of our two 1st round picks. We are in a better shot to take that chance next year, with two 1sts.
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I don't know that even if Mahomes turns out to be a good starting NFL QB that you can say the Bills screwed up.
First - Andy Reid is definitely among the best coaches in the NFL, and I agree as others have said in this thread that he can be viewed as one of the better coaches at getting the most from his QBs.
But that also makes it plausible to say that if Mahomes is developed into a good starting QB in KC, that it might not have happened had Buffalo drafted him. Obviously part of developing a QB is his God given talent, but then another, maybe equally important part, is how that QB is developed, the team that he has around him and being put in a position to succeed.
KC was just in a different position than Buffalo. They have a very well established coach and GM who both have a ton of job security. They've spent YEARS slowly building that team up. They have an excellent and very strong team all around, that's had some sustained success. They had very few holes to fill on that team and actually still had a bunch of draft picks left even after trading their 1st and 3rd.
They were in a position to take a shot on a rookie QB who they can slowly develop and eventually plug into a strong team with a strong supporting cast.
They spent the time building and improving all areas of that team over the years that they're now in a position where the only thing that is holding them back from being perennial Super Bowl champs (or at least contenders) is a better QB.
They didn't attempt to draft a 1st round QB in their first years with the team.
Buffalo is not in that same position.
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Interesting that Beane and McDermott seem to have been considered a package deal when Beane interviewed in SF.
I read in another article that also said Beane wanted to bring McDermott with him if and when he got a GM job.
So it sounds like Sean was Beane's first choice and vise versa.
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I have already explained it clearly multiple times. Read the thread promo before you post, I dont condone any substance that a player uses that will alter his ability and put others in jeopardy. There is no double standard.
Players cant stop smoking marijuana with their careers on the line, lifetime bans, and millions of dollars of cash but they are gojng to refrain from being under the influence of it during game time???
Sounds like a teenagers promise...
If that were truly the case, then what stops them from doing that already? Pot is readily available everywhere. Players are obviously smoking already. So, why isn't that happening now? Or are you saying that it is?
Why don't they show up to games drunk right now? It's legal.
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BR is not allowed to be linked from TBD.
Ah, that explains it. Thanks.
So does that mean I am not allowed to post any BR links at all? Or just that they won't function by clicking on them?
There are two types of Bills fans @ Two Bills Drive
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by BillsFan4
I'd say it tends to fall into more of these 2 categories -
1) those who really can't be lumped into a single, narrow category that enjoy talking about all things Bills and have many differing opinions on all Bills related topics.
2) those on a crusade, who only really seem to enjoy talking about a couple of small areas of the Bills and feel the need to constantly keep bludgeoning people over he head with their same opinion over and over again.