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So, this is your idea of Cardale earning credit? This is against 3rd and 4th string scrubs mind you. This is what a good QB looks like to you? Jones getting hot? lol https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uux5yEKmepQ Hard to spin that as anything but another bad preseason performance by Cardale.

Hey, here's a thought... Maybe he just Really wanted to retire a Buffalo Bill! lol

I haven't seen any real credible rumors about Shady being traded. Just some guy(s) purely speculating and twitter running wild with it. Unless there's some that I've missed? There wasn't a single leak about the Sammy and Darby trades, or anything else since Beane took over. I'm not saying that it isn't true. But I don't think it's some foregone conclusion either, and I'm going to wait until it happens before I say this is a tanking season. Trading Sammy and Darby for a WR from the same draft class that's been just as productive on the field and a CB that had almost as good a rookie year as Darby doesn't equate to tanking in my book. This was always a transition year, though. Brand new coaching staff from top to bottom. Brand new front office and personnel staff from top to bottom. Brand new schemes on both sides of the ball. Tons of free agents (that had nothing to do with this new regime). 53+ new players...

Well, he is also BuffaloBud420 too... Maybe he just smoked himself silly.

Was there a bunch of good WR's sitting out there on the market when we signed Boldin? Seems to me like he was the best WR on the market at the time he was signed. It's not like they signed him to a big money deal or a long term. They signed a likely future hall of fame player to help bolster their depth at WR and to try and add someone with a winning pedigree to a young WR room (and locker room). The Boldin signing wasn't scary to me... just my opinion though.

You're post hardly made any sense. There was nothing to answer, and you didn't address almost any of the points I made, you just ignored them. I didn't feel like your gibberish post deserved a response. And your evaluation of football talent has been absolutely terrible from what I've seen. The next time you're right in a football take will be the very first time ever... Tell us again how great Jordan Mills was last season, or how Cardale should be starting for the Bills this season because he's their only chance at winning... lmao.

Still doesn't change the fact that they signed Boldin though. That was a move to help them win this season. Beane had no clue Boldin was going to retire when he made that statement.

This actually kind of made me wonder if it has anything to do with McDermott's speech to the team today - about how he would support them protesting but to make sure that you were doing it for the right reasons and not to just let it be some hollow act on the field, to get out there in your local community and truly help make those changes you want to see a reality. It could just be a total coincidence that he retires for this reason the same day McDermott talked with the team about it. Reading this statement just made me wonder if the two were possibly connected in any way is all.

He looked way too slow to be playing on the outside in Thursday's preseason game. Still quite a blow to buffalo's WR depth chart. But I'm sure they'll add some guys between now and the start of the season. I'd guess some decent guys will be cut between now and then. Sucks he even signed here in the first place though. This is now likely just another blow to locker room morale. I feel bad for the Bills players, and even McDermott to a degree.

He had 1 year with Kubiak in Baltimore. That is much different than saying he's had 4 years in that offense. As for why people say Peterman looks better than CJ, just watch them play. It's very easy to see why people say that. Peterman looks like a legit QB. Cardale does not. And you keep bringing up CJ's 3 game run to a championship like it's super meaningful. It's not. It's was much more the team around CJ that won the championship than it was CJ. They may not have even got to that championship game with CJ starting the whole year. Football is a team sport. Cardale was a very small part of that championship win. You continually asking why Ohio St didn't win a championship the following year... but every year is different. That's like asking why doesn't the same team win a championship every year? Ohio State just ran into a super hot Clemson team and lost. Clemson had a phenomenal year. The fact is Cardale stunk that year and was benched. He was given every opportunity to hang on to that starting job and he just couldn't do it. Go back and watch that season. You will see why they had no choice but to bench him. Here's a question for you - how many championship winning college QBs have gone on to have great NFL careers? Here's a list - http://www.thegridfe.com/2015/05/21/national-championship-quarterbacks-in-the-nfl/ As you can see, winning a college championship as a QB is meaningless in the NFL. To be clear, I am not trying to argue that Tyrod is the Bills future at QB. I think that is a long shot. As of now he is a mediocre NFL starting QB. But he is light years ahead of Cardale. I'd also take Peterman any day over Cardale as well. And that's what it came down to - Cardale or Peterman. It's too hard to develop 1 QB in the NFL, let alone 2 at the same time. There's simply not enough reps to go around, especially with the way the CBA limited practice time.

Who was in this offense for 4 years? You surely don't mean Tyrod, because he was never in this offense for 4 years. Do you always just make stuff up?

Lmao. Yup, I know that feeling... Yeah, the o line hasn't done any Bills QB any favors thus far... I haven't been blown away by Peterson by any means. I thought he's been decent to good. But when comparing him to guys like Watson and Mahomes who cost two 1st round picks (and an additional 3rd in Mahomes case), I think I've possibly seen more of the stuff that I personally look for in a starting QB out of Peterson - like poise, pocket presence, reading defenses, going through progressions etc. But It's only been a couple preseason games and Peterson was said to be more pro-ready. Watson and Mahomes are definitely more physically gifted. They have plenty of time to prove they're worth what was given up. I guess I just don't see what some are hyping them up over just yet though. Trubisky is really the only 2017 rookie QB who has actually somewhat impressed me (albeit it's against 3rd stringers in preseason).

Oh I was soo pissed (and a little jealous) when Belichick coaxed him out of retirement! I hadn't heard this. Interesting if true. Makes sense if McDermott did try to keep him. That Kromer coached O line was fantastic at run blocking, but to be fair it had quite a bit of room to improve on pass protection (although replacing Mills would have went a long way to improve that).

Guess you didn't happen to see Cardale's preseason performance with the Chargers? Thought that would take some of the wind out do your sails on the Cardale argument, but I guess not... lol He completed a whole 2 passes and generally looked terrible. The coaches were showing him how to hand the ball off on the sidelines. Yikes! That's high school stuff. Yates has looked much better than Cardale has, and Yates is terrible. That should tell you something. Oh and it was never about Yates vs Cardale anyway. Buffalo wants to focus on 1 developmental QB. It's way too tough to try and legitimately develop 2 young QBs at once and get them both enough snaps, and Cardale is SOOO raw he needs all the developmental snaps he can get. It was Cardale vs Peterman as far as which QB to keep, and Peterman is MILES ahead of Cardale. It's not even close. He is one of the rawest QB I've seen at the NFL level. He is the longest of long shots. It is what it is. It has zero to do with Whaley drafting him. Hey - do you still think Jordan Mills is good, too? lol

Yes, very poorly. That's why I was so excited that we were bringing in what I felt was some decent competition for him. I meant so far this preseason Schmidt has looked better. Sounds like he's been outperforming Rehkow in practice and he's looked pretty good in the 2 preseason games. Better than last season, that's for sure.

I didn't get to see the game but the stat line sure doesn't look pretty - http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15803/ej-manuel 3 for 9, 16 total yards 33.3% completion per. with an average of 1.78yds per att.

I watched that video 4 times and I still don't really get what was so impressive with that performance? I wasn't all that impressed with his preseason week 1 performance either... That TD throw was good, and that 2nd last throw in the video was pretty nice. Maybe that 1 throw at about 35 seconds in to the middle of the field (although a pretty standard throw). Other than that I struggled to find anything to say I was really impressed with... He looked like a very raw rookie QB IMO. They had him playing almost exclusively from the shotgun, he had quite a bit of time to throw and I thought he was still pretty quick to scramble. That's about the only time I thought he looked truly comfortable, was when he was scrambling. He seems to have no idea how to step up and play in the pocket. The couple snaps he took from under center, his footwork was horrendous on his drops (although I thought his footwork was pretty bad overall). His throwing motion still looks like it did in college. He was missing throws, didn't look to be going through his progressions - a lot of times it seemed like if his 1st read wasn't open he'd start scrambling/running (although it's hard to tell from this video). I thought KC did a lot of stuff on offense to make it easier for Mahomes and I still thought he somewhat struggled. Honestly, I've been more impressed with what I've seen from Peterman than what I've seen from Mahomes. Just my opinion though. Peterman looks much more comfortable under center and in the pocket, and has done a good job of going through progressions and finding hismopen receivers. I'm not expert at evaluating QBs though, so take my opinion for what it's worth... It's not just about improving from Tyrod, either. It's about finding a legit franchise QB. I'm not sure yet that Mahomes will be one. He landed in a very good spot though, so time will tell.

I was actually kind of excited when we signed Rehkow as an UDFA. He was very good in college and considered one of the best kickers/punters in the draft. Plus, it would have been really cool to only need 1 roster spot for both the P and K... But with how well both Schmidt and Hauschka have played, he didn't stand much of a chance. Hope he catches on somewhere. I knew he didn't have much of a chance at winning a spot over Hauschka. Last years Schmidt though... He served his purpose I guess, providing competition to Schmidt (and Hauschka).

No, it's not really a sure thing that they will struggle in the regular season. Actually, preseason success is a terrible indicator of regular season results. There have been plenty of teams that went 0-4 in the preseason and went on to have good seasons. For just 1 example- The 1990 Bills. They sucked in preseason that year, could hardly score, went 0-4. Then won 13 games in the regular season and went to their 1st Super Bowl. And there's been plenty of teams that went 4-0 in preseason and went on to suck in regular season. Like the 2008 Lions for ex. They went undefeated during preseason, looked great and people were hyping them up. Then they went 0-16 in the regular season that year. Or the Rams in 2011. Went 4-0 preseason, 2-14 regular season. Actually, the last I looked, teams that went 4-0 in the preseason missed the playoffs more times than not. Im not saying the Bills are going to be great this year, but I'm definitely not ready to panic yet and you surely can't say that it's a "sure sign" the offense will suck from 2 preseason games with no game plan, totally vanilla schemes and an O Line that struggled mightily.

I don't think the Bills have their 6th this year, do they? Didn't it go to LA? He ran a 4.33 so he's definitely got speed. I can't say I've seen a whole lot of him but for a 7th why not? He did meet with the Carolina Panthers leading up to the draft, so it's possible Beane has some familiarity with him.

I do not think that they should stop playing the national anthem during football games. There is absolutely no reason to. But I also don't think we should make a big deal about someone who decides they want to sit or kneel during it. People who get so angered and offended over someone sitting/kneeling during the anthem don't seem to take into account that the 1st amendment to the constitution gives us that freedom to free speech and peaceful protest. Why is it more patriotic to honor the national anthem, which is a song and doesn't entitle us to any of our great freedoms that we are promised in the USA, than the constitution that this country was founded on? The document that actually guarantees us many of those freedoms that we all love so much. Our country was somewhat built on protest. We might not be the United States of America if not for the protest of taxation without representation by our founding fathers. To be clear, I don't sit during the anthem myself. I stand and honor this country and the men/women who fight for it. But I also 100% support the rights of people to choose to sit/kneel. It's really not that big of a deal to me. Certainly nothing to get so bent out of shape to send a guy death threats over.

In a somewhat unrelated topic - Lesean McCoy bought 200 philly cheese steaks for him and his teammates after the Eagles game - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000831472/article/lesean-mccoy-buys-200-cheesesteaks-for-bills I didn't know where else to put this. lol

I thought they had to release a combination of 3 players to get that 3rd round comp pick? From the way I understand it, releasing Ducasse alone wouldn't net the Bills that 3rd round comp. If I understand it correctly, the Bills also have until week 10 to release those players to get the comp pick. I agree about Ducasse sucking though. Seems like he would be a very easy replacement/upgrade. I will be very surprised if he sticks with this team though.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season For what it's worth, PFF actually had the ravens o line ranked higher than the Bills last year. In 2015 they had them ranked #13 and Buffalo #9 - https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season In 2014 Baltimore was ranked the #3 O line in the NFL - https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings Football outsides had the ravens ranked the #8 pass protection line last year, and the Bills #31. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol In 2015 the ravens ranked #2 in pass protection by F.O. - http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol2015

I thought he was getting pushed back at times & having trouble holding his ground + stopping the rush. Don't get me wrong, he looked good at times too. Check out the cover 1 podcast that was just posted here today if you're interested. They review the offense game film and you can see Wood struggling at times. They actually specifically talk about the wood injury around 24 minutes in. https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/195480-tyrod-taylor-film-session-vs-eagles/