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They dined with Paxton Lynch last year.
And Jarran Reed
I thought they have.
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Someone told me to come look at this thread, so I did. Of course, it's impossible to read the whole thing or, frankly, to even follow the last couple of pages. Anyway, I'll tell you what I think about Tyrod. A lot of you know me and maybe you've heard it before.
1. I like Taylor. Great athlete, good arm, dedication, running is a plus. I've heard all the arguments about anticipation, throwing people open, seeing the field, throwing over the middle, too short. All possible, but I'm not convinced of any of that, not yet. Could be true, but I think he's still growing, and I want to see another year out of him.
2. I SERIOUSLY doubt that the Bills were going to cut Taylor. There were plenty of rumors, and so far as I could tell, they all were started by the press, that the Bills were going to cut him and that Whaley didn't want him. Everyone got all excited about that. No one got excited when, in the last few weeks, all the press rumors were that the Bills would keep him.
Why do I doubt they'd cut him? Because he played starter-quality football for two seasons, because starters are hard to find and because the Bills couldn't expect to find a starter in the draft or free agency. The Bills were NOT going to start over at quarterback. They might keep looking for one better than Taylor; I think they should. But they are not going to leave themselves in the same position they did with Manuel - a rookie start or a journeyman failure as the only options. Taylor is a legitimate threat at QB, and until the Bills get someone better, they are not going to let him go.
3. So what was going on with Taylor's contract? My theory is this: Taylor is ambitious, wants to start, has a lot of confidence in himself and expects to get paid eventually. He took a cheap contract to be a starter in Buffalo when he left the Ravens. Why did he take so little? Because he had the option to get out after two seasons, and he knew if he started somewhere he'd get paid a lot more. That's exactly what happened. He played well his first season in Buffalo, and the Bills didn't want to lose him after the second season and they didn't want to have to match some other team's offer. Still, they wanted the right to cut him if he flopped his second season. Taylor didn't want to get tied up long-term unless he got some real money. So they negotiated the six-year deal, Taylor gets decent money if he stays and the Bills get the option to get out of the deal if they didn't like his 2016.
So then Taylor has a decent but uninspiring 2016 and the Bills aren't sure they want him on the terms of the contract. Plus, they want some cap relief. So they talk to Taylor, not to cut him but to get the right to cut him in another year without a huge cap hit. Taylor says you can't have it both ways. If you want the right to get out, then I want to have the right to get out too. So they agree to a two-year deal. For two years Taylor gets paid more or less what he would have made in two years under the deal. What did Taylor give up? The third year guaranteed. Why did he do that? Because he's confident in his ability, and it's much more likely than not that he can get $10 million a year somewhere in 2019, in which case he's no worse off than he was under his original Buffalo deal. In other words, because the Bills wanted to keep Taylor for 2017 and maybe 18 before committing to him long-term, Taylor got the right, again, to be a free agent in the prime of his career. Good deal for both sides.
4. Why was there no more interest in Taylor? As someone pointed out, he wasn't a free agent and it's tampering to talk contracts with someone who isn't a free agent. It happens, I know, when a guy's contract is expiring, but Taylor's contract wasn't expiring. If anyone had talked contract with Taylor, that would have affected the Bills' ability to renegotiate - they would have screamed tampering. Teams lose draft picks for tampering.
Don't think for a minute teams weren't interested. Six teams, at least, would be markedly improve their QB situation with Taylor. You think the Jets woudn't have grabbed him? And don't argue that no one was interested because Taylor is a marginal QB. Taylor's stats for 2016 were mediocre; in 2015 they were great. He played all of 2016 injured. He didn't have his #1 receiver, and he didn't have much of anything else in the receiving department. He played for a dysfunctional head coach.
Taylor would have gotten $15 million a year for a few years if he'd hit the market, probably more. Now he's going to start for the Bills for 2017. If he has a season like he did in 2015, guess what? The Bills will be back at the negotiating table AGAIN, because they won't want him to be come a free agent in 2018. If he has a mediocre 2017, they'll roll the dice and let him play out his contract. If he's great in 2018, it'll cost the Bills a lot to keep him. If he's mediocre, they'll let him walk and he'll get $20-30 million guaranteed someplace else.
5. OF COURSE, McDermott wanted to keep him, and if you want to say it was driven by fear, fine. You can call it fear, but it's better described as brains. You're taking over a team that led the league in rushing for two consecutive years in no small part because you have the best running QB in the league. He also happens to have a passer rating around the top 10 in the league over the past two seasons. You're going to let him go so WHO can be your QB? WHO? It would be a colossally dumb move in your first year as an NFL head coach to dump your team's starting QB in favor of no one just so you can put your mark on the team. Who would do that?
excellent post Shaw66
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I don't know the draft. I don't know the QBs.
I think what the Bills are doing is what they say they always do, and what I believe ALL teams do: They evaluate ALL the players who may be of interest so that they can put together their board. They rank players in order and, generally, they take the highest player who is left on their board.
Now, if they have a QB at 10 and he's there, will they take him? I doubt it, but I don't know. But if they have a QB at 14 and he's sitting there when their turn comes up in the second round, they're taking him.
So I think that's why they're looking at all these guys. They need to know what they think about each of these guys, because an opportunity may arise to steal someone. Like it or not, that's why they traded up for Ragland - they thought he had a much higher draft rank than where he had fallen, and they traded up not to miss out on him.
good to see you Shaw66
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have they ever dined with a prospect and not picked him?
either the smoke is getting thick or they may pick this kid?
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Your post matches your name. I don't care what "experts" or the fake media has to say, if McD and Dennison want X QB in the first round, take him at 10 and don't look back.
Very Logical assessment my friend. Again Tyrod fans and those who listen to "experts" about this not being a good QB class are whistling through the graveyard. They better be prepared to see a QB taken at #10.
don't see them taking a QB round 1...
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could he be a sign (see matt simms, matt lienart) and cut? no, he should make the roster. he did a decent job under center in helping the texans get in to the post season and even winning a playoff game against another then rookie andy dalton. they couldn't get past the ravens but his resume' is not terrible (not great either) and should serve as the 3rd string or could beat out jones for the back up spot?
he certainly is no matt simms, that's for sure...
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New into what I say in a thread that is all about Tyrod in a Tyrod thread that you by yourself have dominated in. You have talked this subject to death on BBMB and have done the same again here in this very thread. I have not posted much in this thread but when I have I have to regurgitate the same old garbage because the same old garbage is being pushed by the same poster. Understand your opinion doesnt trump others its just a opinion, this thread should have been dead after the first page, what it shows is fans are on both sides of the fence even though you keep trying to convert fans to your side pushing fans to get back on that bridge.SMH, just a FYI many are jumping off that bridge faster then you can try to tie them to it.
you are doing the same. you're also repeating your TT agenda over and over here as well.
The issue we probably have the most trouble with is "crusading". The bottom line here is that there isn't a single poster on this board that has the power to make any change with the team. And because of that, there is no reason to try and make every single person agree with you by bludgeoning everyone with the same opinion endlessly. Make your point once. Make it twice. Make it when appropriate. Just don't make the same point in every thread, every day, day after day. It just pisses people off.
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Thanks for reminding me of that debacle. People on this forum often love to pick on the Browns. The irony is that our franchise have had some of their all time low points occur against the Browns.
lake erie rivals.
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that's like asking to remember the "snow bowl", being beat by the browns 8-0.
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You are optimistic, that's great. He just does not inspire confidence in me. It also is important to note that the Pegulas made the hire. Their track record is horrendous so far. 0-6 with Bylsma soon to make that 0 for 7.
cautiously optimistic. willing to give him a chance before proclaiming failure. makes watching the game more interesting. if I knew or proclaimed failure whether a player or coach, looking for failure, I wouldn't even waste my time watching the game...
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Actually, there is plenty of tape on Tyrod and the Bills have never shown much urgency at the QB position. It's always an afterthought. Tyrod's contract goes to 18 million next year. If they cut him that's 6 million of dead cap.
And that assumes they have drafted and developed a QB. I'll believe it when I see it.
McDermott has never been a head coach or general manager. As a defensive coordinator he ran a bland 4-3 zone scheme. I see nothing to get excited over and there are now red flags that he is too conservative. The Tyrod signing screams fear to me and someone not comfortable in his role here.
never being a HC does not mean he wont have success. they all get their start somewhere and you have no clue whether he fails or succeeds anymore than I do. where do you get he's not comfortable in his role from?
I know, because you post it, it must be true.
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Absolutely. Sean's defense wasn't better than Rex's last year. Should have kept Rex until we had an upgrade.
I hear 2018 will be a much better pool of coaches to choose from. Don't want to risk picking a mediocre or bad coach.
that comment is out in left field, way out...
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This may be an unpopular post, but hear me out.
Rex Ryan has only been a HC for 6 years in the NFL. Who is to say a HC can't improve after six years and become the franchise HC? Especially when he had 2 years at basically .500 as a Bill. I know he had 6 years to get the mental things down, the timeouts over the middle, the command of the team, but it was only his second year in Buffalo. I think we should've at least kept Rex as a bridge HC until we could find one better. I would hate to walk away from Rex and watch a guy like Rob Chudzinski go 4-12 if a rookie HC doesn't pan out. Let's face it, there just aren't many good NFL HC's out there and maybe if we improve the weapons around Rex, Rob stays healthy etc. he can really shine.
I see what you did here...
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This is a fair criticism - I apologize. Welcome to twobillsdrive!
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I can understand that, but this is a new report that just came out today. And I've been told that posting links and such and articles is wrong. Bizarre place. It almost seems you can start a made up topic and that's fine, but not one that is credible with proof.
it is interesting to say the least. just thankful he and his circus are gone...
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What is it with this message board? Posting real articles with legitimate sources appears to be against the norm.
not to really knock the thread JM. but it is pretty much irrelevant now with the circus rolled up and long gone. they're under a new regime now that seems to be putting things together pretty well so far under McD.
should be an exciting season ahead.
johnwalter, on 09 Apr 2017 - 2:18 PM, said:
2BD is officially way off the rails
cannot wait for the draft
off the rails. why would you say that? sure the first wave may of been a little over whelming but it seems to have settled down some. I just wonder if some, like yourself, may of rather shut the door in the face of the new members rather than welcome them?
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bitcoin is the way of the future. it will be all digital soon enough, possibly even in my time although it better get here before the next 15 or 20 or I may not see it.
banks are the ones in favor of eliminating cash. I also read somewhere that the $100 bill will be phased out soon and others will follow until all paper is gone and nothing but digital will remain.
the one you don't want to see is the fedcoin. I have seen some things about that I don't really like. they will be able to track every transaction...
edit: at this point I don't use it. but I do not use cash much anymore. the little chip on my debit card serves well for me now so really, I don't think I would miss cash. but my thought would be, what if the systems completely crash, no recovery? it would seem unlike the cash under your mattress, losing that data, you might be **** out of luck?
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facebook.
although I find it annoying with posts about what they ate, how many times they sneezed or their hind end itches or even worse during the political campaigns. it still has been a real good source to keep up with family and friends whom I live quite a few states away from now since I moved from my home turf many years ago...
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Yo man, I don't agree with tanking either but it sure does seem like they are up to something, and it isn't +.500 or 10-6. IMO
yo yo. glad you don't agree with tanking, right on. no problem you don't agree with +.500 or 10-6. but man, I can not agree with 3-13.
all good though, opinions, everybody has one...
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If Darnold is what you hope he is we aren't getting him. It's a nice thought but the Bills refuse to rebuild. McDermott is trying to get to 7 wins.
this comment is funny, thanks for the afternoon laugh...
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this is actually kind of cool if he works out. don't see it too often, if at all and certainly not as much as the other way around. NFL to AFL
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i don't know what the final record is going to be, but i don't think tanking is the objective.
I don't know either. I'm just throwing out my opinion. I know one thing. I don't see how any fan can (not saying you Foxx) support tanking with the thought that it would guarantee a draft position the following season? not saying don't draft one, just move up and get him if you want him that badly. it's not like this team or any other has not moved up to get who they want. it's a crap shoot anyway so the best scenario for the team and the fans is go out there and contend for wins. they may still struggle to win or they may rack some wins up but I sure wouldn't want to watch a team I support who intentionally tanks and loses games just for a draft position.
McD does not give me the impression he would be the type to intentionally lose (tank) football games. he has shown so far that he means business which gives me confidence going in to the season...
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I can agree with this.
Tough schedule, Taylor not going to do well in WCO, Bills option to rid Taylor after 1 year, looks to me like a planned 3-13 season and high draft pick for Darnold next year. Tanking without admitting they are tanking. Oh those tricky Bills.
I bet my bottom dollar McD is not going to tank. I also do not see a 3-13 season.
no, IMO, they contend regardless of schedule and finish above .500, 10-6 and a wildcard.
tank talk is so weak.
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could he be cut after preseason?
stay tuned...
Prospect Watch: Mitch Trubisky QB, UNC
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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well when you say likely, it still leaves the possibility he wont be. no doubt they should be looking whether this draft, next or the one after that. they should always look for the possibility. workouts and dinner dates don't mean they pick them. it means they're evaluating as you know. my point, I wouldn't say likely the face of the franchise, that's kind of getting ahead of the cart. they thought they had the face of the franchise with 2013's first pick.
going to be an interesting draft for sure