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Explain how winning percentage determines whether or not a team moves.
Imagine if the 2019 Bills have missed the playoffs again for X straight years.
I'd say the fan base is dead, the cash flow is dead, and the Bills are gone. You explain otherwise.
(X years.. would that be 20? .. it's to depressing to think about)
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So the team has missed the playoffs the past 16 seasons and still been supported, but the next 2 years are critical and if they continue to lose will lose support? How do you figure? And how do you figure they'll never make the playoffs again?
OK. The next four years.
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I don't understand your logic; what difference would two more losing years make to Pegula? Bills fans have been supporting a loser for 15 years, you think that's going to suddenly evaporate if we have another couple 7-9 years?
Yes. I think more future losing seasons would severely affect ticket sales, decreasing revenue and then the pressure will be on for the Bills to do something, which could be a move.
There's some over confidence here that what was, will be.
Supporting losers for 15 years: nothing goes on forever.
- Generation Z is the future fan base. Marketers find Gen Z has less loyalty compared to previous generations (result: they won't invest in a losing record). But Gen Z will invest in a good value (meaning a winning record)
- The ticket buying fan base will be reduced by aging. Buffalo has the third oldest population in the country
- Much of the fan base is leaving WNY
If the Bills win = the future WNY fans will support them
If they lose = they won't be supported as well as they are today...and the NFL pressure will be on for some kind of change
On the flip side. I don't see any other city that would be better than Buffalo. I think the two teams in LA will be a fail.
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I'll bet whatever amount of money you want that they don't leave in the next 10 years at least.
That's a bet I want to lose.
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LOL! Stupid article. The Bills aren't leaving.
Keep wishing that.
I agree with you for the next year or so.. then all bets are off.
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On reflection, I disagree with the very first sentence "Anyone under the delusion that greed doesn’t rule the NFL needs to check the communal psyche in St. Louis.."
I believe egoism and vanity ride in the first seat of owners motivation. Though, I can see profit desire in the back seat.
Also, there's a difference between greed and wanting to be a sustainable business. Hard to explain in this union town.
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..is the Don Esmonde lede
I agree with most of what he says at http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/donn-esmonde/nfl-abandonment-of-st-louis-ups-the-ante-in-buffalo-20160123
Including the open ended statement: "Buffalo will thankfully be spared St. Louis’ fate. But in the game of stadium checkers, the pressure is on to keep up with the Kroenkes."
I think the current pressure to move is "low" ... but if the Bills lose the next two seasons, the pressure is a red hot blowout to move.
Opinion.
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Why is it unlikely TPegs will pay for his own barn? I think it's very likely, with the state chipping in for infrastructure.
With your caveat of "state chipping in for some infrastructure" ...and... some property tax relief: yes, I could see Pegs buying his own barn.
The Q is:
- will the city/county/state want to build/own and then rent out a downtown stadium?
- or give sweeteners (infrastructure, tax breaks) to private development of a downtown stadium
- the county/state upgrade the Ralph, Bills stay
- the Bills stay... not minding the Rock Pile Ralph and give the NFL the middle finger
- the Bills leave, wanting a better stadium
In order: I like 3, 2, 1, 4 and find 5 unacceptable.
Someone should poll this.
I'm surprised at how many fans seem to want an old stadium with limited amenities as long as it has cheap parking and low ticket prices. That doesn't sound like something a franchise committed to the highest quality and to a great fan experience would embrace.
Are you Richie Rich, or the Local 210 (a benefactor of new stadium construction)?
For me, low property taxes, low parking, low tickets... that sounds good to me.
This is not DC, Dallas, NE.. where Daddy Big Bucks dominates the market to pay for the so called "great fan experience."
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One of two things will happen:
- The Bills won't meet his high market value because they have other higher priority needs to allocate cash to
- Or, the CB stock market will crash; Gilmore can't get the big deal and stays in Bflo for a more rationale contract
It will be the first one. He's gone next year. And the Bills will live.
Pay the man this year. Its only money and its not even my money.
I think this is sarcasm. But just in case it's not: It's not about whose money it is. It's about spreading your salary cap around in a multi-year plan so as to not screw yourself.
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Kathryn Smith is easy on the eyes. http://www.betus.com.pa/miss-betus/paradise-2006/kathryn-smith/pictures/01.html
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I would trade in the current tailgating experience for a downtown street-fest any day. If they make it like the Italian festival every Sunday, I'd rather do that in a heartbeat. the drunken morons have completely taken the parking lots over in my last visit to the Ralph, which is what I saw at an alarming rate.... people "ralphing" everywhere.
A food truck lot!
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Was this a treatise?
No treatise. It could be a belinda.
But Belinda was so long ago, I forgot what it meant.
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You realize the NFL AND the Bills want this, right?...
In the NFL's eyes, it is broke, and NFL > Everything else.
Well.. yes and no.
Pegs just wants to win and fill the stands and have a positive cash flow... including the TV contract.
The NFL can wish whatever they want--screw them and they aren't everything else.
If they were 'everything else' they would have had a team in LA 10 years ago.
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Pretty up RWS and take another look at things in 2025. It's the only option that survives the steely eye of logic.
A new downtown stadium would come with $50.00 parking, PSL's & on & on. It ain't broke - don't fix it.
GO BILLS. !!!
Concur!
And I pray to be here in 2025.
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No.
Think about it from the point of view of an HR Department (a good one) hiring people.
Pulling numbers from posterior for discussion sake: there are 2000 college football players. Only 200 will make the NFL.
The difference between 2000 and 200 populations: physical characteristics (speed, strength etc..) and football smarts.
So the NFL is getting a much more highly skilled workforce than the colleges. Therefore, these highly skilled employees are used in a different manner.
It's like comparing fast food to gourmet. (no offense intended to college football, because I like it also)
College offenses work because 90% of the players defending it won't be playing football as pros.
This.
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when HSBS opened, there was a written understanding that the old "aud" would/could not compete.
Yep.
Related: Go to google images and search "Pontiac Silver Dome." After the Lions moved to Ford field, the Silver Dome became a money pit albatross for Pontiac MI.
The Ralph would be also.
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I hear they make a killing on the rental of binoculars in the upper decks.
They're like the ones at Niagara Falls where you stick the quarter for five minutes of viewing. JJ.. what cheap SOB.
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The Ralph is paid for.
I ran the numbers. A low estimate for the LA stadium is 1.4 billion.
I used a mortgage calculator (I know not the best tool for this but it's all I had):
- 1.4 billion
- 3.92% interest
- 20 years
- Monthly payment came out to 8.4 million
In the unlikely event that 8.4 mil can be found, I'd rather it be spent on something else.
I don't see a new stadium.** They couldn't build a signature Peace Bridge because environmentalist said "endangered birds" will fly into the suspension wires and die. They couldn't even agree to a non-signature bridge.
** unless Pegs built it on his own, I think that is unlikely
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..snip..
I take the metro to the Sabres games and have never had a problem getting to and from the games easily and in a timely fashion.
Well that's just dandy, if you live within walking distance of a Main Street metro station.
98% of us do not live near the subway to nowhere.
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Quite a few open air lots down near the lake, old factories, etc. I think Pegulas would keep tailgating in mind (as dumb as that sounds). They are aware of our traditions.
Yes.. I believe BBF is right. Pegs would be copacetic to tailgating.
But this stadium would likely be built with public money. So the nanny state politicians and "preservationists" will have their say. They'll get their panties all in a knot about tail gating.
The recent Youtube videos of tailgating Bills fans being complete Bevis/Buttheads to the power of 10, doesn't help.
Context: it looks like last call will change from 4 AM to 2 AM even though the 4 AM closing has not been proven a problem--that's what NY pols do--change stuff for change sake to make a campaign talking point.
2 AM closing will just drive drinking underground unsupervised.
Oh.. and all the lost tax revenue and payroll for shaving 14 hours off the weekly cash register and payroll... really?
I apologize. You didn't intend to hit a raw nerve and cue a rant. Try the first three sentences, then stop reading.
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How would tailgating cease to exist?? Maybe "jumping on fire tables" and acting like a drunken fool would be monitored or more arrests of obnoxious fans, but would there be a ban on a group/family gathering for BBQ and beers before a game? Seriously, I've heard people say tailgating would disappear but I don't know if that is the case.
The acreage doesn't exist to allow surface lots at any downtown site. Result: they'll build parking garages like Niagara Center has. That's not conducive to tailgating.
There aren't going to be tents, canopies, grills, small generators and RVs in a parking garage.
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I like the upgrading the Ralph idea.
Also tailgating as we know it would cease to exist downtown.
A new stadium would be built with some public funding. Taxes are already high enough.
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I can agree as well. And it can start to be changed, but its going to take some time and some effort.
Yeah.. I've moved about the country. I've been at bigger cities run by a "city manager" (ie: some hired dude) and no "common council" that are more successful than Bflo.
Someone should put abolishing the City Mayor (tho I like this one) and minifying the Common Council on a voters ballot. Anarchisms of the past when we were a huge city.
...and that pathetic Board of Ed. Don't get me started.
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The resurgence is joyous.
Comes with a serious sad note for me: Real Estate wise, I'm priced out of the neighborhoods I grew up in, and I'd like to return to.
The neighborhoods I can afford are dominated by dudes skulking about with hoodies. (hoodies comes up as error in spell check---damn political correctness!!)
God bless Buffalo.
NFL abandonment of St. Louis ups the ante in Buffalo
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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No it's not too late. The message I took from the article: the Bills are in a Pegs honeymoon period, but will be under increasing pressure to make some money for mothership NFL.
The way to provide the NFL more money could mean moving. or it could mean a new stadium.
I hope Pegs straight-arms the league and sits tight. That will be easy to do if they are winning on the field.