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I want to submit Steelers as the weirdest off-season.
Pay big bucks for DK to pair with Pickens only to have Mason Rudolph, Will Howard or the ghost of Aaron Rodgers throw to them.
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15 minutes ago, mannc said:
If Cook is such a great player, then why don’t the Bills want to sign him to a second contract?
They may not value running backs that way, but he is still a really good player. Schoen in NJ is from Beane’s tree and he let Saquon walk bc he didn’t think running backs were worth that much.
For me I would rather pay him because I know he is good, our running game was very important last year and I don’t want to spend a high draft pick to replace him next year. But this is probably getting a little off track from the original topic, so I hope you have a great day.
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2 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:
Pro Bowl's are a joke, why are you using that as a metric for anything? (not chiming in on your argument, simply that no one cares about Pro Bowls, its a popularity contest, not a reflection of on field performance)
Yea I agree, that’s why I included other players that have not made the pro bowl. I was trying to be as charitable as I could to Beane and the other options for best player drafted since it’s a bit of a short list.5 minutes ago, mannc said:Then why is Shakir’s second contract about $5 million/year more than Cook will make on the open market?
Idk what Cook will make on the open market. But Michael Pittman, Deebo, and Calvin Ridley all make more than Saquon. Positions get valued differently in the NFL, but that is a different conversation than best player. -
49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
The addition of Moore to me means the Bills have four proven high end #3 receivers: Palmer, Shakir, Moore and Samuel. With Josh Allen throwing them the ball at least a couple of those guys are capable of putting up at least WR2 type numbers. And then Coleman's development and the role of Kincaid are kinda the wildcards for me.
Yea I think Shakir is a higher end #2 since he was like 37th in ypg last year. Then Coleman and Palmer were like 54 and 65 respectively, then Moore was somewhere in the 70s so yea 1 WR2, then 3 WR3…maybe 4 if Samuel is back to where his career usually is. Deeper but no high end players.20 minutes ago, mannc said:I’d add Kalil Shakir to that list, especially as a 5th rounder at a high value position …hope you’re just joking about Tremaine Edwards.
I love Shakir but he had 821 yards and 4 TDs in his best season last year. Cook had 1250 yards and 18 TDs last year and over 1500 yards in 2023. Shakir is one of the best values we have drafted but not close to the second best player imo.
I only include Tremaine because he was a 2 time pro bowler with us and the number of pro bowlers drafted under Beane is not very long.
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5 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
Yep!
Who is, after Josh, the best skill player on offense drafted by Beane? The answer by a country mile is Cook.
Back on topic for a second, with the signing of Moore do the Beane critics still think we have the worst WR group in the NFL?
Honestly he may be the second best player drafted by Beane period, though at an undervalued position. The others in contention are Tremaine, Benford, Spencer Brown, and Rousseau. Maybe Im forgetting someone else.
Our WR 1-5 probably stacks up well with several other teams WRs 2-5, just missing that top end talent. Glad they improved the WR5 spot over Shavers/Shenault. Really hoping Moore can take over the return duties so we can cut Coddrington.
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8 minutes ago, rafter said:
Second best player is Dawkins and its not even close.
They've invested in the o-line. Not enough picks and money to everywhere. Hopefully the revamped D gets Josh back on the field faster.
I was talking about skill possession players but was not clear I suppose. Yes football is a balancing act. Having good skill position players is part of that balance. I hope what we have will be good enough and hope we are able to continue building it like we have other parts of the team. Pay James Cook.-
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9 minutes ago, Mark92 said:
So they reached big time in the 2nd round but got a steal in the 3rd. Probably evens out.
Sanders wasn’t really a reach, and LJ was amazing value-
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The pick I am most excited for. He is going to be the DE we have been waiting for-
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1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:
That’s not an accurate way to calculate the snap count for our 5th WR. Several of those players were starters at different points and missed time due to injuries.
This is a more accurate breakdown of how often our 5th WR played in each game. The average snap percentage for the Bills' 5th WR across the listed games is approximately 17.84%.
Snap Counts for the Bills' 5th WR by Game:
- Arizona: Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 21%
- @Miami: Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 9%
- Jacksonville: Curtis Samuel - 27%
- @Baltimore: Curtis Samuel - 37%
- @Houston: Tyrell Shavers - 26%
- @New York: Marquez Valdes-Scantling - 32%
- Tennessee: Curtis Samuel - 4%
- @Seattle: Jalen Virgil - 14%
- Miami: Jalen Virgil - 5%
- @Indianapolis: Jalen Virgil - 5%
- Kansas City: Jalen Virgil - 4%
- San Francisco: Jalen Virgil - 26%
- @Los Angeles: Jalen Virgil - 2%
- @Detroit: Curtis Samuel - 27%
- New England: Jalen Virgil - 0%
- New York: Tyrell Shavers - 14%
- @New England: N/A (Only 3 WRs played)
- Denver: Amari Cooper - 36%
- Baltimore: Curtis Samuel - 31%
- @Kansas City: Curtis Samuel - 19%
Yes there is variance per game of course, but we did run 5 WRs deep. If you select each players name individually it gives you their season long snap percentage. You can do that with the defensive players as well and will see the same thing. -
5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:
In that clip, Beane pulls back the curtain on their roster strategy. He felt it was a weak wide receiver class, and when they were on the clock, none of the options meaningfully upgraded their top four. So why spend draft capital on someone who might only be your fifth receiver when you're typically running 12 personnel or 6 OL? It’s a candid look at how they approached the board to fit their offense.
Our 5th WR played about 34% of offensive snaps last year (MVS+Coop, Shakir, Mack, Keon and Samuel were all over 34%). Only 2 DTs, 2 DEs, and 3 CBs took more snaps. Though Smoot did take slightly more than that percentage in the games he was healthy.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024-snap-counts.htm
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9 minutes ago, Process said:
Interesting that he brings up NE and how they won without elite WRs. Beane simply doesn't value WRs as much as other do when team building. It's nothing new or surprising, and something we just need to learn to accept.
To be honest it's a fine strategy and one I've become more comfortable with....if the trade off is an elite defense that shows up in the playoffs. When you have a defense that falls apart when it matters and a lack of playmakers on offense, well the result is zero Superbowls.
Hopefully all these additions on defense pays off.
I think the “we think the guys on the roster are really good” is the argument where even the most die hard person will disagree but can accept. But this does open Beane up to having egg on his face if that group falls short this year.The New England point is silly tho. The first three were so long ago they could all legally drink now (aka a different era) and the 2010s championships all happened when Edelman and Gronk hit their prime and those two were really good.
yuck had to throw up a bit after typing that.
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14 minutes ago, Special K said:
Landon Jackson, Deone Walker, and Dorian Strong were all multi-year team captains for their College teams.
I guess this shows the Bills value leadership qualities in its depth players......a good strategy, IMO.
Yea I believe we drafted 4 college team captains last year too. It was talked about on Reddit last year after so many were drafted and it was said we had drafted three team captains in 3 of the prior 4 drafts too.-
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3 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:
I fail to see what ogunjobi brings to the team. He seems to be a declining player who brings very little to the table. Throw in the suspension I can not see the point of having him on the roster.
I guess maybe they keep him through the suspension in case of injuries but I can't even see him being active on gameday if he is healthy.
I am not the biggest fan of this free agent class.
He only has a 2.5 mil dead cap this year post 6/1 if cut. We cut OJ Howard a few years ago with a similar dead cap. It probably comes down to him and Daquon since I think they will keep 5-
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15 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
There is no spot for a WR to get on the field. We have 4 guys that are going to play a ton. The 5th guy will probably be a STs contributor. The fans don’t think our WRs are any good. The team does not share the sentiment. On top of the fact that it was a terrible WR class, there is no where for them to go. Those spots are filled
When you combine MVS and Coopers (his replacement) snap counts, the Bills had 5 WRs who logged at least 34% of snaps.Only 2 DTs, 2 DEs, and 3 CBs had more than 34% of snaps. Currently our 5th WR is Shavers, Shenault or Prather
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024-snap-counts.htm
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1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:
Also benched by Cleveland for "disciplinary reasons" Stefanski was classy enough to "keep internal" and has his Daddy crying for him over targets on social media. No thanks.
As if things are not bad enough for the Cleveland Browns, fans had a horrible deja-vu moment when wide receiver Elijah Moore's father complained about his son's lack of targets on social media.
Moore's father expressed disgust with his son's single target during the Week 4 loss to the Las Vegas Raiders.
Yet they still put a UFA tender on him 😂 never change Browns until you sink into the lake-
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7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
Even this morning these guys still aren’t getting it. Complaining about Kinkaid and Samuel. Acting like we weren’t good enough still on offense. Just trying to discredit what Beane said. Offended by the fantasy football comment like they are above that.
We score more than anybody, we have the mvp of the league at QB, we win all the time because of the offense, move the ball at will, scored 30 tds rushing and 30passing which is inconceivable.
every good QB has all day to throw on us, we never make big stops, if we aren’t turning people over we aren’t stopping them, the defense got us knocked out of the playoffs every year after Jacksonville. Almost every team in the nfl would trade their offense for ours….
WR train.. you just sound ridiculous
I don’t think anyone is saying defense isnt where the most improvement was needed and most picks should have gone.
The argument is that WR should have probably been prioritized over a Cam Lewis replacement, a Quentin Morris replacement, a third DB, and an OL who may have difficulty making the roster. (And honestly I liked ALL of those individual players). The reason being having a more talented WR group may make it so that Josh doesn’t have to literally play perfect to reach those point totals. And yes a 4th or 5th round rookie probably doesn’t make a huge impact on 2025. But maybe by 2026 or 2027 you have someone good on the roster so you don’t have to pay average guys in FA or need an early round rookie WR to step up immediately.
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3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
I did this pre draft and here is the post draft update:
I took Fitzgerald-Spielberger average pick value for trade purposes (1st pick is worth 3000, 2nd 2649) all the way to the end of the draft. I then evaluated by position how much each team spent as a % of the total pick value they were allotted since 2018. While not perfect, I'm attempting to get some statistical way to represent what we have spent at each position in draft capitol in relation to other teams.
These are the rankings by position with the heat graph below.
Buffalo plus called the D-line Beane’s Waterloo. Either he will figure it out and we will be world champs, or it will be his undoing.-
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2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
So....with the guys you just mentioned, we passed on ALL of them, multiple times.
I'm sorry, but what do you know about these guys that Beane and his scouts don't?
So, just because we didn't draft a 3rd/4th round WR, who likely would be sitting at WR5 on the depth chart...thats a gripe?
I'm sorry, but id you're trusting NFL media analysts draft board grades over Beane, then it just shows you don't trust BB. Not saying BB is always right, but in this case, those WRs were passed over and Beane thinks he has better options in-house/possibly Elijah Moore or FA signing for depth.
Most of these rookies are going to be far down the depth chart to start with. The hope is to get them in and maybe they develop like Shakir did. Im a bit of a draftnik so I liked those guys personally, but trusting Beane is fair. He is not always right, but I really really hope he is!-
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Just now, MasterStrategist said:
No disagreement. But where we are as a franchise/players on this team, the guys available at our 1st 2 picks were not moving the needle for team success- we need defensive talent.
People act like we have premier talent on defense, or McD should be able to work magic with the likes of : a washed Von, Phillips, Jefferson, Rasul, Elam--- all guys with decent snaps in AfCCG.
The key is: Josh+top tier OL+strong stable of RBs+solid WRs with YAC = a very successful formula for offensive success.
Just like on defense, DL pressure+strong CB play= more turnovers, less points, more opportunities for Josh/offense each game.
Beane has missed horribly on some DL+Cb draft picks and FA signings. But going back to the well is the right move. If we had a really good/non elite QB (like Philly IMO), then we'd be having a different conversation. We just finished with historical offense production, one of the best offenses (scoring) in entire NFL...and we have several young guys ready to take the next step + Palmer, which we need someone like Kincaid to make a big step like Khalil
I don’t think anyone has had any problem with using most picks on the defense, I was pretty ecstatic after day 2 ended.
I think the complaint has been not trying to add a receiver until after trading up twice for DTs, drafting the third DB, drafting a blocking TE and an OL. If the Bills had moved up from where they were, and landed a Jalen Royals, Elic Ayomanor or Tory Horton I think the noise would basically be non-existent.The only young guys we have are Coleman and Kincaid who looked pretty bad last year and Palmer who really has been bland in LA. So not having new talent at WR has people like me feeling a bit down in that regard. Though I am excited for the defense.
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8 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
Eagles did what LY, that led to a SB season?
I'll give a hint...Buffalo followed suit stocking up defense.
The Eagles are a really hard model to try and follow because they format contracts unlike any other team in the league to fit all these great players on their roster.
Their defense was a huge part of their Super Bowl win, but they did have AJ Brown, Devonta Smith and Saquon Barkley in addition to a great OL that led them through a lot of games too.
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Hopeful he can unseat Gilliam too in addition to filling QMorris’ role and free up a roster spot elsewhere like on the DLine
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Why would any non-desperate FAs want to have anything to do with the Browns when they pull this stuff and also are terrible?
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47 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
So I know people don’t love McShay sometimes, but he loved the Bills draft and had a pretty interesting take.
He said the teams with quarterbacks like Josh Allen (Ravens, Eagles, Chiefs) should do everything they can to improve the defense because Josh can’t help on the defensive side of the ball. He was afraid the Bills would not stick to the strategy and he was happy that they did drafting defense early and often. I just thought it was a pretty interesting take when you typically hear guys talking about adding weapons around the QB.
It’s an interesting take but not one any of those teams have followed to the degree of the Bills. The Ravens have two first round WRs they drafted in the last 5 years, the Eagles spent first rounders and big contracts on Devonta Smith and AJ Brown and the chiefs spent a first on Worthy and seconds on Rice and Skyy Moore from 22-24 while having a HoF TE on roster.I do agree the Bills had a pretty good draft tho.
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6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:
And how many Supetbowls did Tom Brady win in New England?
He was there 20 years and won 6 and won 1 in 3 years as a 40 year old in Tampa-
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Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?
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Good on you for the patience to keep going over this stuff. I had to tap out several pages ago.