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    2025 NFL Draft - Day 3 Debrief

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    2 hours ago, Commish said:

    I don't understand how there can be such a wide and polarized opinion about Deone Walker. Gunner Bill and Joe Marino - both of whom seem very well-informed - want nothing to do with the guy, and yet the Bills scouts and management obviously see it very differently. 


    It’s because of his 2023 season and senior bowl. He put up 7.5 sacks in the SEC in 2023 and then had several dominant reps as a pass rusher in the Senior Bowl practices. Admittedly, when he was healthy he had a nice spin move and was light on his feet to create havoc as a pass rusher.

     

    But what he does - playing high, having a light base, etc - does not bode well for players usually, especially against the run. So in the 4th round, they took a gamble on him being an exception.

     

    But a big guy with poor athleticism and a back injury history will likely make his career inconsistent at best. As Marino said, would be very happy to be wrong.

    Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

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    38 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

    Is Amari washed? I think trade is likely the best option just on the basis of not much to hope for otherwise, though I'm not sure whose potentially available.


    Amari may be washed

     

    The most realistic needle mover is nutty George Pickens but I’m not sure the Bills would do that.

     

    Then you have guys like Alex Pierce, Rashid Shaheed coming off an injury, or Jakobi Myers

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    Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!

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    44 minutes ago, SCBills said:

    I’m convinced we’re not done at WR.

     

    Beane can say he’s good with Coleman, Shakir, Palmer, oft-injured Samuel and our PS guys all he wants.. I know that’s not true.

     

    We brought in a bunch of the same type of WR as Top 30 visits for a reason.   It’s because we know we’re missing that skillset.  
     

    Burrow, Hurts get otherworldly weapons. 
     

    Lamar gets Henry and a WR room full of high draft picks in Zay Flowers, Rashad Bateman a recent 4th in Tez Walker and a vet in Hopkins.

     

    Mahomes has a similar WR room to BUF in Rice, Brown, Worthy, Juju and they add Royals. 
     

    We know, and Beane knows, Allen deserves to have, at least, another NFL caliber WR added to this room. 


    Mahomes has a much better receiving room

     

    Im not sure what they can do to get much  better. Amari and Kennan Allen are the best FAs left then it’s like Deontae Johnson and DJ Chark who both were terrible last year.

     

    Maybe they can swing a trade but usually that happens pre-draft. I hope we do

    Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

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    10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

    Then why even bother engaging.

     

    Story sounds a little different now. i don’t believe you watched any Chargers games. You probably saw some film mashups by a Bills production brand.


    Some fans think criticizing the Bills is akin to not being a fan

     

    Ive watched plenty of Palmer due to fantasy. The Chargers needed him to step up countless times through the years due to injuries to Williams and sometimes Keenan Allen. He could fill in and give replacement level production. When he was featured heavily he was inefficient. He did better as a role player but he just isn’t explosive enough to be a high level receiver. 
     

    There is a reason the Chargers did not care much about losing him and then replaced him in the draft. I think his ceiling is another WR that their original team let walk in free agency during their prime: Jakobi Meyers. But I think Myers is a better player.

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    2025 NFL Draft - Day 3 Debrief

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    Yea, I liked each player selected through the sixth round in a vacuum and see their roles as unseating or replacing some of the worst role players on the team. But when you look at the draft as a whole, it’s a bit more meh. The upside you hope to see in the middle rounds seems lacking (except for Strong who I was quite high on too). And I do think that is partly due to the double dip at DT instead of trying for an explosive offensive player.

     

    Id say player for player this is one of the best drafts Beane has had. But as a whole, it’s the swings we didn’t take that make the draft feel like it is missing something.

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    Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

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    1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    That’s who Samuel is as a player. He’s a weapon, not a pure WR. That’s who he has been back to Ohio State. He will be more impactful this year, I agree. If people think he’s going to magically become Prime Diggs, he’s not. He’s a guy that’s good with the ball in his hands. He catches screens, runs the ball some, etc.. He is good with the ball in space like Shakir.
     

    I do think Kincaid improves as well. I don’t think he improves because he has a ton of untapped upside. He will be 26 years old this season. He’s developed. I think he improves because he wasn’t very good last year. He can be a quality role player. He might never be the top 5 TE I thought he’d become but he can be a top 12ish guy. 
     

    I keep hammering on it in the other thread but why do they keep banking on improvement on offense but replacement on defense? Why were they so concerned with upgrading Cam Lewis, Dwayne Carter and J’Marcus Ingram but fine with development from Shavers, Coleman, and Samuel? You could have and should have tried to upgrade on both sides. The WR room needed one guy between rounds 2 & 5 (as it turns out) that could stretch the field. There were LOTS of options.


    Exactly. Josh and the offense are subsidizing the defense.


    Since Josh was drafted, in the first 3 rounds we have drafted 4 DTs, 4 DEs, 3 LBs and 2 CBs (both firsts). In that same timeframe we have drafted 1 WR, 2 TEs and 3 RBs (two no longer with team and the other, second best player on offense is in a contract battle).

     

    People say we don’t need better players bc the offense was already legendary last year. It took a Herculean, MVP effort from Josh to get there. And in the end when Josh needed a player to step up when he didn’t make a perfect defensive read, the game was lost. But because a defense that has had so many resources poured into it sucked, we have to do it again instead of making an honest effort to improve both sides of the ball.

     

    I loved the first three rounds of the draft. But then not even trying to get Josh a weapon until the last pick in the draft is malpractice. There is no new talent in the pipeline so that if Keon or Kincaid don’t progress and if Palmer and Samuel are who they have always been, the team has nothing at least being developed behind the underwhelming cast. Which is exactly how we got to this spot when we never drafted anyone when Diggs was here.


    I type this like this will get to Beane, it won’t. This is who the Bills are. I’m just frustrated as a fan because I want what is best for the Bills and feel like giving Josh good talent on the offense is what would be best bc I trust him more than our coaches to get the most out of players. 
     

    Go Bills, pay James Cook.

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    2025 NFL Draft Thread : Rounds 4-7

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    30 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

    I just can’t take him seriously anymore. He’s totally lying about not prioritizing D. You traded up twice for DTs. These softball questions from these reporters are a joke. Beane says I want to make it hard for someone to make the team on the D line, I want to get the best guys and make it competitive. ASK HIM “if what you said about d line competition is true, why don’t you ever do the same for the WR room? Do you think you’re giving Josh the best weapons to work with and choose from?…Just be honest and say, hey I’ve got a coach who loves the defense and we don’t care if Josh doesn’t have weapons because we’re going to bleed him dry until he can’t be Superman anymore. He’s so fake and he does that stupid face where you know he’s lying too. I still like him as our GM but I just hate the schtick after years of the same ol results with no real help for Josh


    What’s so frustrating is Josh doesn’t need a lot. If you give him a WR each year he will elevate them - look at Shakir. It’s the not taking a chance that hurts.

     

    And it’s because we have had to subsidize the defense. Since Josh was drafted in 2018, we have drafted 4 DTs, 4 DEs, 3 LBS, and 2 corners in the first three rounds of the draft. We have drafted 1 WR in that timeframe (2 if you include Diggs). And yet because our defense was bad last year we had to give EVERY asset to a unit that already has gotten so much. This comes down to Beane not drafting great and McDermott not getting everything he could from what he has been given

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    7th round pick Prather wr wv

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    1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

    @LEBills what is your take on this guy.


    I only have limited exposure to him. What I have seen: He does have pretty good long speed with those long strides he has. Some of the cuts he has when he sticks his foot in the ground are pretty sharp. He has good hands.

     

    He played wide over 91% of the time. Lots of hitches and goes. Does not break many tackles or force many missed tackles as he is a pretty linear athlete. 
     

    Im not sure what his special teams experience is. He has some tools to work with but I don’t think he is going to develop into a starter.

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    2025 NFL Draft Thread : Rounds 4-7

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    1 minute ago, SoTier said:

     

    The Bills offense needed to be great last year because the defense wasn't.  The Bills felt that the DL and the defensive backfield needed serious attention.  I'm not going to argue with that.  Defense wins championships.   Moreover, the Bills did take an OL prospect and a blocking TE prospect to protect Allen.  A QB needs targets, but he needs protection more.   I'm among those who believe that KC would have 5 SB rings if they had protected Mahomes better against the Bucs and Eagles.

     

    It's also possible that both Kincaid and Coleman, who both did not play particularly well after they came back from injury, improve considerably this coming season since they're both young players, and that would more than make up for the loss of Cooper and Hollins.


    Yes protecting our franchise QB is good, I’m glad we finally figured that out. I hope Kincaid and Coleman do better too, but in case they don’t it would be nice to have a few talented players in the pipeline. I trust Josh to get much more out of resources than I do McDermott. I was very happy with day 1 and 2, just wanted something more for Josh today.

    2025 NFL Draft Thread : Rounds 4-7

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    19 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

    They took a swing on Cooper last year.  There might still be something up their sleeves.


    Yes I applauded that, but still need them to try harder. Hopefully they have something in the works

     

    13 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

    We obviously have different views. I'm a defense guy and your an offense guy. Here's the thing. You're right. We haven't really done much for the WR room. BUT, you talk about KC and Detroit. Detroit lost in the championship game, same as us. KC lost to the Eagles because the Eagles defense. As the old saying goes, Defense wins Championships.😉😇😁


    Yes all but one team lost lol yes the Eagles defense was good but all of Phillys offensive weapons helped against a good KC defense. I like both sides just feels like offense hasn’t been addressed as much

    2025 NFL Draft Thread : Rounds 4-7

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    7 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

    I certainly wanted a WR in this draft but I'm not going to act like a rookie in the 3rd or 4th is the difference between us scoring 20ppg or 30.


    Yes it likely doesn’t make a difference in one year. But when you keep drafting receivers each year, you eventually develop a more talented room and may actually draft a difference maker. We have not even really tried except for Coleman last year.

     

    6 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

    I loved Hollins,  but he wasn't a speed guy that we all want or need. As far as Cooper, his production, do you think we can't get it replaced? Who is the WR we lost that we can't live without or get the same production from elsewhere? 

     

    What I’m saying is that you can’t expect that just because last year was great, that this year will be. I’d say that neither Hollins or Cooper has been replaced as underhelming as they were. At some point you need real talent rather than Jags like Shenault and Shavers who are our WR5 and 6. The reason we are at this place of people begging for WRs is because we barely ever draft them. The Chiefs keep drafting guys, the Eagles WR is stacked, the Lions have a star and former first rounder Williams and just drafted a guy in the third, the Ravens have two first round WRs even if Bateman isn’t great. Talented WRs are still important. And not having them makes things hard on Josh just like having a defense that gives up 31. 

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    2025 NFL Draft Thread : Rounds 4-7

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    16 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

    Come.on man. We had a top O last year, basically scored points at will. Our O was far from the issue. If we could have made a stop on 3rd down we would have even been better.


    Yes we did. Thanks to an all time season from Josh. Now two of his receivers left and the running back that helped him is at an impasse with the organization. I’m very happy we added some defense, but we couldn’t have have used a pick before the 7th on someone who will catch a pass? Hawes is basically a blocker

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