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3 minutes ago, Bills365 said:
To my fellow Bills fans, I think about this all the time. I am curious everyone else’s thoughts on this.
If we hadn’t traded our 22nd pick for Diggs Justin Jefferson falls in our lap that following year. I know this is in hindsight and Beane was trying to get us a solid weapon in which he did. Diggs was great for a few years but I can’t help but wonder how different this team would’ve been for a decade plus of Allen and Jefferson.
Other posters that claim to have some sources have said the Bills would have drafted Ted Higgins if we had retained the pick. Maybe one of them will see this post.Let’s just enjoy memories of the most prolific receiver in Bills history.
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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
The tidbit I just heard is that we were on the phone all day with Tennessee trying to get them to eat most of Calvin Ridley's base salary but we couldn't come to an agreement on the required draft capital.
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8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
The best thing that came out of this trade deadline was all the stuff coming out about Beane being actively calling on legit WR1 type options. Gives me hope that this offseason and draft it will be a top priority and hopefully we see them either land one in FA/Trade (no idea who is going to be available) or aggressive in getting one in the draft, including moving up to do so.
Let’s hope. Keeping the OL together and adding a WR1 gives this offense everything we could ask for in 2026.-
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3 minutes ago, jwhit34 said:
Shaheed was traded for a 4th and a 5th. I Think he's a UFA after the season.
Let's say that Beane was offered the same deal, a 4th and a 5th for Shaheed. If I'm Beane, to judge the relative value, I look at the picks I have had in those rounds in the draft as one data point in evaluating the deal. Here is the history since the current regime arrived:
Year 4th Round 5th Round
2025 Deone Walker J. Hawes, J. Hancock
2024 Ray Davis S. VP-Granger, J. Solomon, E. Ulafoshio
2023 -------------- J. Shorter
2022 -------------- K. Shakir
2021 -------------- T. Doyle
2020 Gabe Davis J. Fromm
2019 ----------- V. Joseph
2018 Taron Johnson S. Neal, W. Teller
2017 -------------- M. Milano
All 4 of the 4th rounders have been good players (I look at this and say don't trade 4th rounders, you have a knack for finding players). 5th rounders have had more hits than misses, with Milano, Teller and Shakir being terrific picks.
So in the extreme cases, would you trade Taron Johnson and Wyatt Teller for a rental Shaheed or Walker and Hawes for Shaheed?
Give credit to the sellers yesterday, they made out very well. If the Bills were in on some deals and the price paid is indicative of where the market was on others, I think it's probably good that they passed on trades.
It’s a rental to potentially improve your offense for a Super Bowl run. Then you can either resign him or allow him to walk. He is projected to get a good size contract in Free Agency and so you should be able to recoup one of those picks as a comp pick in 2027.
I would have done it for that price. But I’m not heartbroken we didn’t either.
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2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Mentioned this in another thread - but the shape we're in after this season definitely was a major factor in being hesitant to move picks for players.
As usual, we're in rough shape cap wise. While we could come up with more money, it's still only going to go so far with all we have to do and freeing that space would add to the number of bodies we'd have to replace.
We have *TWENTY ONE* players currently on our 53 man roster that we'll have to either re-sign or replace with limited money and just 7 Draft Picks - including 9 starters and key ones like 2/5 of our OL and our best Pass Rusher. The list includes:
Unrestricted Free Agents:
- DE Joey Bosa
- C Connor McGovern
- G David Edwards
- LB Matt Milano
- DT Daquan Jones
- DE AJ Epenesa
- CB Tre'Davious White
- LB Shaq Thompson
- FB Reggie Gilliam
- DT Larry Ogunjobi
- WR Elijah Moore
- QB Mitch Trubisky
- CB Cam Lewis
- S Jordan Poyer
- S Damar Hamlin
- S Sam Franklin Jr.
- DT Jordan Phillips
- K Matt Prater
- P Mitch Wishnowsky
- P Cameron Johnston
Restricted and Exclusive RIghts Free Agents:
- G Alec Anderson
- OT Ryan Van Demark
- CB Ja'Marcus Ingram
And again, that's not taking into account players that we'll most likely move on from to free up space like Taylor Rapp, Curtis Samuel, and Dawson Knox. The number grows to 23 players currently on our 53 with that.
You can say "who cares, let most of those guys walk". But we'd still need to replace them on the 53 with limited cap and just 7 Draft Picks (as we made traded away no one and won't have any comps).
All this to say, we weren't in a position to willy nilly trade away Draft Picks or take on large amounts of money in 2026. Which complicated things.
It's definitely fair to argue Beane shouldn't have put us in this position to where things were this complicated - but it doesn't change the position we're in.
The Bills actually have one of the highest amount of players under contract for 2026 at 40. 9 of them are on IR currently so it is easy to forget them.
Knox, Samuel, Rapp, and Ty Johnson are almost certainly not returning on their current contract. Maybe Bass as well.
Starters that will need to be resigned or replaced are LG, C, DE, LB and Safety. DT and CB we already drafted replacements this year. I think you may be counting K and P as starters that need replacement - those positions don’t require a large investment. In any case, the roster status is not that dire that we couldn’t afford to make a trade without crippling ourselves.
We will never know what conversations were had. If I was Beane I probably would have tried really hard to land someone to try and improve the roster, even marginally, this year when the path to a Super Bowl seems less daunting than any year I can remember during the Allen era.
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On to asking for a first round WR in the 2026 draft again. Realistically, the trade deadline didn’t have much to offer the Bills.
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1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
I’d take Deebo and hope we get a hungry healthy version. His separation metrics is actually good
You will get the hungry version-
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2 minutes ago, bills742 said:
Bc Shaheed got traded-
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1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:
With Meyers and Shaheed gone I don’t think we will be trading for any WRs this deadline.-
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1 minute ago, eball said:
So glad the Bills didn't make a deal for Meyers...doesn't move the needle for me at all.
The Bills showed on Sunday night that they can feature their TEs in the passing offense with some occasional WR involvement. If Palmer comes back shortly I think we are ok for this season. Would much rather have them look at DT help.
Meyers would have been an upgrade but for a 4 and 6 he isn’t worth it.1 minute ago, HappyDays said:Rapoport says Hunter won't be out long:
I find it interesting that the Jags are choosing to put this info out there. Precursor to BTJ getting traded? I don't want to get my hopes up but it's possible.
I thought the Meyers add was more likely due to Hunter being out long term. This is a bit interesting -
Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:
The only problem with acquiring both Shaheed and meyers is that both play in the slot where Shakir plays. That wouldn't make much sense to acquire either 1 of those guys imo I like bboth of them but that would force 1 of them either Shaheed/Meyers or Shakir to play outside which I'm pretty sure they don't do very often at all.
Meyers played out wide for about 70% of snaps in 2023 and 2024. He was about 50% this year with the new staff.
Shaheed isn’t a traditional X but does align wide over 60% of the time his entire career
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2 minutes ago, ganesh said:
Is Rasheed that good and different than Josh Palmer (whom we are paying $30M+ )
He isn’t much better (but much faster), but he is the only realistic one on that list unless they somehow pry Olave away. -
4 minutes ago, wppete said:
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14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
any of those would be awesome but doubt it.$3 mill is just about right for Shaheeds contract rest of season.
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27 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
Oh for the love of Pete Tory Horton has one game in which he scores two TDs and now is a “see I told u so”? I don’t recall seeing h name once on this board until just now.
he actually has two games already in his career where he scored two touchdowns. Saints game too (1 receiving and 1 return TD). He was the top draft WR fit for the Bills imo and had him ranked as such in the pre draft WR thread -
He isn’t healthy. He would fit in well here that way.
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1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:
Agree. Just to add wth respect to Shaheed, he may be an X but he is not a #1. Not yet that is. I've seen where people commenting on the Saints say that his route tree has shown good development and Steve Smith has made the same point. He will certainly be motivated to excel in what remains of 2025 since it will impact the kind of deal he can sign as an UFA. If he were to go to another team after playing with the Bills chances that he will sign a big contract are high, the amount/terms thereof being an important measure of his value for compensation purposes. A third is as good as it gets but might be within the realm of possibility.
Yea very clearly he is a role player. We shouldn’t expect him to be a go-to player, but someone that adds another dimension to the passing attack and special teams. I don’t think he will ever be more than that personally, but the ability he does have is valuable. -
I would like it if we could get Waddle or Olave but it seems pretty unrealistic at this point.
Rashid Shaheed really should be a Bill by tomorrow. His contract is manageable and would provide a vertical outside element to our passing game. In addition to that, there is immediately a roster spot for him as he would take Coddringtons spot as punt returner. He was an all pro there in 2023, currently the Bill with the best punt return average is Keon with 6 yards per return which is 43rd in the NFL.
His receiving production through his first four years is similar to that of Jameson Williams who signed a 3 year $83 million dollar contract extension this year. So even if you give up a third rounder this year, if he walks in free agency you are likely to recoup a similar pick in 2027. An acquisition with upside and very limited downside.
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No slippery rubber mats?
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11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Corroborates what we've already known. Chris Olave is not available as they're banging out an extension - but Rashid Shaheed and Brandin Cooks are. And the only other name that's likely to be had if the price is reached is Jakobi Meyers.
I’m not sure Meyers is realistic for us at his salary this year. Shaheed contract is half the price and so easier to fit, so it does seem like it will be him or no notable receiver this deadline imo. -
3 hours ago, Sojourner said:
The drafting isn’t bad. If you look at the 8 drafts only 3 have been poor: 2020, 2021 and 2022.
The FA signings have been poorer than the drafting, at least to me.
Out of the 5 decent drafts a lot of them have shown to be adequate players in the league.
Sure Josh is the main reason for success but it’s a team sport. You don’t stumble into 10+ wins without some talent across the board.
It’s easy to focus on the 30% of duds. Even more so when they’re early picks. It’s is a problem but drafting as a whole hasn’t set the franchise and team as far back as you’re envisioning in my opinion.
Im not going to derail the topic by veering off into a Beane discussion. I believe the totality of how he has put together this team, from drafting to free agency leaves a lot to be desired.My point in these posts is that Keon hasn’t been terrible. He may not reach his fullest potential because of the role he is filling. For example the Steve Smith quote is getting passed around about not getting off jams - then don’t have him on the line so much having to beat press if he isn’t ready for it? But he kinda has to because we don’t have anyone else.
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2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:
I mean, I don’t disagree that Coleman is being misused, but how incompetent does our GM need to be to draft a guy who can only be successful playing slot when you have a TE, and at least 3 other positions where that is the primary role? If your argument is until Keon becomes a slot he just can’t be evaluated, I just can’t get on board with that because it will never happen here. I can only evaluate what is actually happening and what is likely to keep happening and in that, Franklin is the better performer with a more desirable
skill set.
Beane’s drafts are bad, and the way he uses free agency to paper over his mistakes has held us back for too long. I have been done with Beane for years. But he isn’t the only one like this, Jayden Higgins was pick 34 in this years draft and is another player that likely need to work out of the slot to succeed per Matt Harmon. Despite having Christian Kirk they drafted him and then drafted Jaylin Noel - his teammate that was primarily a slot player in college - the round after him.my argument is that Keon is going to be a very inconsistent player how they are using him - which we have seen. A lot of players are this way in the league, one good week followed by a multitude without much accolades. DJ Chark (another early 2nd rounder) is who I always think about for Coleman. A guy whose career YPC was 14.4 (Coleman’s is 14.7 right now) and had five 100 yard games in 5 seasons where he played most the games. Keons role and skill set are setting him up to be that type of feast or famine player.
Franklin is trending towards being a more consistent player but some if that is due to how he is being used. I wish we had drafted him. He should have been the pick instead of Dwayne Carter
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4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:
This is a really silly position to dig in on. On one hand you minimize Franklin for having all his production in two games, on the other Coleman has 19 catches 155 yards in the last 6 games. The only reason Coleman has done more statistically in his career is the Bills gave him the spot last year based on his draft position. Franklin has had to earn it. You're trusting Beane's grade at this point, which is fine, but it's not exactly a short list as far as WR's who get drafted early and become nothing nor is Beane shown to be some WR whisperer.
Franklins ability to stretch the field is clearly superior and his numbers when factoring in the target share of both offenses are more impressive. Denver actually has some mouths to feed. Coleman should be eating like crazy. What else is crazy is assuming Buffalo is basically using him as a decoy. Nobody cares about Coleman, he can't be a decoy. He's wearing DB's like a Macy's jacket when he's out there. Teams care about a WR with sub 4.4 speed who is 6"3 and can take the top off. Maybe you don't care but I guarantee you McD does after the playoff game last year.
You may not find a bigger pre-draft and current fan of Franklin than me. But the other poster is right that Keon as a whole has been better over the past two years. Yards per route run, first downs per route run, etc.Franklin has improved a lot from 2024 to this year, but that has coincided with him getting much more snaps out of the slot which is what basically everyone says the Bills need to try with Keon. Now unlike Keon, Franklin was instantaneously a great separator and I think he will continue to improve. If he can get his hands more consistent, he will be a good WR.
I think Keon will be ok in the league. In the role he has been pigeonholed into and his current strengths as a receiver, it will lead to him being a very inconsistent player over the course of the season
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Just now, Pete said:
NO MORE ***** SLOT WRs!!!!!!!!!!!
Does Beane know nothing about building a WR room? 😡 😡 😡
Meyers played about 70% outside in both 2023 and 2024. He has been more 50/50 this year.
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