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2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:
Good to get confirmation on this as I suspected they didn’t bring him in. Further shores up that he’s not their guy imo
I spoke too soon, according to Pelissero the Bills did not have him for a 30, but did have a private workout with himQuote[Legette] had roughly a dozen top-30 visits and did a private workout for the Bills, who just traded Stefon Diggs to Houston and own the No. 28 pick.
https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-nfl-draft-four-potential-surprise-first-rounders
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20 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I feel the guy the Bills, not fans, Want is Franklin
Hey this fan wants him at least!-
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Does not seem Legette came to Buffalo for a visit. On an interview with the Draft Network he said he had 14 visits and listed 13. He also confirmed in another interview he went to Carolina as well.
QuoteI went on 14 visits altogether. I haven’t been home very much. I went to the Texans, Pittsburgh, Chiefs, Chargers, Buccaneers, Jaguars, Eagles, San Francisco, Detroit, Baltimore, Indianapolis, Green Bay, and the Broncos. I’ve been a little bit everywhere (laughs).
https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/04/22/xavier-legette-nfl-draft-networking-interview-
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Yesterday, we reported here in the Hot Press how some sources with teams in the top 10 said Minnesota is definitely trading up for a quarterback. Another team that sources say is aggressively trying to figure out a trade-up in the first round is the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo front office has been calling teams and gauging trades to be prepared to move up on Thursday night. Sources say the Bills are targeting a wide receiver, and the most likely targets are LSU’s Brian Thomas Jr. and Texas’ Xavier Worthy. Both are possibilities for Buffalo, but it sounds like the preference is toward Thomas. After trading veteran Stefon Diggs, it sounds like Buffalo is going to be aggressive about finding Josh Allen’s next No. 1 receiver.
there are more rumors for other teams toohttps://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-nfl-draft-week-rumors-tuesday.php
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There have been rumblings on Twitter that he will be a late first round pick Thursday
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13 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
As an FSU fan, Fiske is the guy I want to see on the Bills. Great guy by all accounts, incredibly hard worker, relentless motor, and has the will to want to dominate. Love the kid, mentality, and player. I think he has a chance to go in the top 40 and should be gone by 50 but he is an older prospect
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Jax, Cinnci, rams
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2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
Besides media conjecture, There have really been no signs of the Bills having late interest in Legette. It’s possible they’re keeping it secret or hasn’t leaked yet. I’m sure he’s on their board though.
Yea this year is one of the most mysterious as we only have about 17 of the top 30 visits accounted for. Beane said we used all 30 so they are keeping this close to the vest. He would be a good selection at a later point in the draft.-
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16 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
It doesn’t hurt him by putting it out there if another team, Bills or someone else, are interested in the first round.
I will say if I was the Panthers GM/Coaching staff, and this is truth, I’d be pretty pissed about it.
Legette clearly is hyping this so someone will take him in round 1
I wouldn’t be surprised if a scout was being friendly and hyping him up saying we want you if you’re there at 33. Came across to me as him just answering the question honestly rather than angling for a higher pick, he has said elsewhere that being with the Panthers would let his family see him play. Hoping they take him so Beane isn’t tempted if we trade back. -
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10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Which is why I think Vikings are not going to be the one to trade up with AZ because they reportedly want 3 first rounders...both Vikings firsts this year and their first next year. I just not sure Minny pulls that trigger. But Chargers may do it for less and take both Minny's first rounders to move back, which is why I think Giants may feel they need to make the move to get ahead of the Vikings (Or Broncos and Raiders).
AZ is in a great spot here. They already have 2 firsts and 3 thirds coming into the draft along with their high 2nd and 4th rounder. If they move back with Giants they would pick up another high 3rd round pick and another high 4th rounder...and because its for a QB, they might be able to squeeze them into giving up even more than that. AZ has a terrible roster and need help all over the place. And with the kind of ammo they could have after a trade back, they can really control this draft by not only using the abundance of picks they would have in the first 4 rounds, but also moving around the draft to get who they covet.
If Arizona moves back and misses out on MHJ for just a third and a fourth, all 3 fans will get into a Fiat Pop and run Gannon and Co out of town imo. They may move back, but I think it would have to be a much bigger haul.-
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3 minutes ago, Doc said:
So who would that apply to in this year's draft?
Javon Baker, Tez Walker, Brenden Rice-
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Two more all targets - Legette and Baker
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9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
This is fantastic. And I couldn’t agree more.
Only thing I’m wondering is how much the age matters to them.
I love Pearsall. But he’s going to be 24 in September.
Legette - love him. But he’s going to be 23.
Not sure how much they consider this - I do think it depends on position.
Kincaid was 22/23. But so was Antonio Gates. TEs traditionally need time tho.
The age at WR I definitely think they consider it.
Thank you, Beane actually addressed this in his post draft presser last year because he was asked about Kincaid and Torrence being older. He basically said that you like it if the guys are younger but that you are just looking for good football players in the end of the day. If I had to guess the more refined Pearsall fits what the Bills will look for more than Legette, though I am much lower on Legette than other Bills fans so it may be my bias.
2 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:Adisa Isaac is on my please don't draft list!
Chris Kelsey 2.0 he'll be a career 6sk a yr guy. Please DON'T DRAFT!
The Bills have an infatuation with adding players whether threw the draft or free agency with having a connection to knowing said player. I know other teams do this but it seems like the Bills do this more then any other team. Mcd has trust issues no doubt about it
Yea definitely not saying this is what I would do as I’m not particularly high on Isaac, Kinchens or Pearsall. But for better and worse Beane usually doesn’t do what I want him to do lol. I do think it makes sense they like players they have connections with. I know if I got a job applicant who gave a reference of someone I knew and trust, I’d feel more comfortable I was getting a good employee if that reference gave a good recommendation.
15 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:McDermott listens to a guy that's pretty universally hated by Gators fans?
Yikes
Haha yeaaaa, I feel the same way (tho technically it’s Beane not McD as far as I know). Why not invite Kirby Smart to your next BBQ instead Brandon? tho I guess Howie Roseman already has that market cornered. -
1 hour ago, NewEra said:
I think you’re missing the point here. It’s not that Beane/McD care about the school they play for. They care about the insight they are getting from their college coaches. College coaches that can vouch for players fitting the criteria he and the scouts set for the pick. They don’t have to go off a couple interviews and what they hope to be true. They can go off what these coaches already know to be true.
47 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
but I think his point is that it is a slim sampling compared to 6 from the school
Both are right. It is a small sample to draw conclusions from but with the NFL draft that is almost always the case. And I don’t think Beane veered off his board to select a player from a preferred school.But @NewEra is right too. I think if they have several players graded similarly, they may be preferential to the players who played for a coach they trust. An ESPN article from 2014(!) outlines McDermott being a part of a “little circle” with Aranda and Diaz…
QuoteEvery coach has his networks. Penn State defensive coordinator Bob Shoop's "little circle" consists of Aranda, Louisiana Tech defensive coordinator Manny Diaz and Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott. Sometimes they'll each study an area -- third-down defense, spread quarterback run -- and then discuss them as a group.
"Everybody's trying to find a better way to defend the spread," Shoop said. "Dave and Manny see it at the college level, and Sean sees [Panthers quarterback Cam Newton] every day."
Since then McDermott has publicly said how much he respects Aranda
And Beane said in last year post day 2 press conference that he spent some time with Billy Napier (1:35 in)
So in addition to the drafting of players from those programs in the past, it is pretty on record that they have relationships with those people for better and worse.-
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41 minutes ago, DJB said:
Good work and solid post!
Im also of the mindset for a while that if Kichens is there at 60 he’s the pick
Preciate it. I did a similarly spirited post last year trying to predict our first rounder and whiffed big time lol but I think this has more evidence behind it. I’ve had this post typed up and waiting to go for a few weeks to see if more 30 visits got reported but they seem to have stalled out. Was waiting to see if any of these guys came for a visit since our 2nd rounders in 23 and 22 did.There were some rumors around the combine from Charlie Campbell that the Bills like Kinchens. His combine was not good and he does show up a bit soft on tape. But I do think he is the type of FS replacement for Hyde they would like.
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We now have 7 drafts in the books where McDermott has been involved in the draft and 6 with Beane. In those 7 years, the Bills have drafted 7 players from three different coaching trees which may provide a hint to targets in the 2024 draft:
Billy Napier (Florida Gators)
O’Cyrus Torrence - 2023 second round
Justin Shorter - 2023 fifth round
Kaiir Elam - 2022 first round
Dave Aranda (LSU and Baylor)
Terrel Bernard - 2022 third round
Tre White - 2017 first round
Manny Diaz (Miami and Penn State)
Greg Rousseau - 2021 first round
Jaquan Johnson - 2019 sixth round
2024 Draftable players from these coaches include -
Billy Napier:
Ricky Pearsall, WR, projected Day 2 - Pearsall transferred in Napiers first year at Florida from ASU. Put up excellent Senior Bowl and Combine performances and is getting a lot of hype as a top 50 player in the draft.
Dave Aranda:
Gabe Hall, DT, projected Day 3 - Hall is a tall, long DT. Rushes high do to his height and may be best as a 3-4 end. 2 time entrant in Dane Bruglers Freaks list.
Manny Diaz:
Kamren kinchens, S, Day 2 - Kinchens is a productive, ball hawking safety that started as a true Freshman in 2021. He recently tested poorly at the combine.
James Williams, S/LB, Day 3 - A 6’4’’ safety who is better coming downhill and may need a change of position in the NFL
Leonard Taylor, DT, Day 3 - all hype and talent with very little production
(All three Hurricanes were recruited to Miami for Diaz’s final year in 2021 and all played as Freshmen.)Chop Robinson, DE, Round 1 - Explosive pass rusher that is learning to translate traits into production
Adisa Isaac, DE, Round 2-3 - The more productive of the PSU edge defenders.
Kalen king, CB, Day 3 - once thought to be the next star college corner, his play has tapered off and measurables are only average. Move to safety possible.
Johnny Dixon, CB, Day 3 - small aggressive corner who likely will be a nickel cornerback in the NFL
Curtis Jacobs LB, Day 3- a leader at Penn State, a bigger linebacker more suited against the run
Any Buffalo Bills?
Highest chance (imo):
1.) Kamren Kinchens - I think Kinchens is the most likely to match need and draft range. Kinchens really disappointed at the combine but just prior to Kinchens testing Beane was quoted as saying ‘“I think instincts are really big at safety. If you’re telling me, ‘you can have an athletic guy that’s a 4.3 (in the forty yard dash), 4.4 safety but he doesn’t have instincts,’ I’ll take the 4.6 guy with instincts, ball skills, and a little less range.”’ Kinchens has 11 interceptions in his past 2 collegiate years. We also just hired Jahmile Addae as our CB coach after he was Kinchens DB coach for the past two years.
2.) Adissa Isaac - Isaac fits the body type the Bills tend to like with long arms. He was a team captain this year and led the team in sacks in 2023. Also reported to be a good character player who does a lot for the special needs community of which all of his siblings belong. Bills were reported to have met with Isaac at his Pro Day where he had an excellent performance according to reports. PSU is considered a local school for the Bills and so if they do bring him in it does not count against the top 30 visits.
3.) Ricky Pearsall - If the Bills do decide not to go WR at 28, Pearsall may be in play at 60. Though he did play in the slot about 60% of the time, McBeane may see a good WR4 candidate that can learn all the WR positions. In last years post draft conference, Beane joked about how he should get an office at UofF due to the amount of Florida players they picked up in the last two drafts.
Final Thoughts:
Though the Bills have drafted from these coaching trees pretty consistently, it does not happen every year (2018, 2020) so it may not happen this year. Also missing that third round pick may make it difficult for the Bills to have a chance at some of the prospects listed as many could be gone between pick 60 and 128. And the Bills have predominantly selected from these coaching trees in the first three rounds (5 of 7 pick).
I do think it goes to show the Bills willingness to take chances on guys that may not exactly fit their past schemes (Elam, Torrence), or didn’t test too well (Rousseau, Johnson, Benford, Tre) when these players are tied to coaching staffs they trust.
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8 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
The thing is only half of the visits have been leaked so we only have a small idea of who has and hasn’t been into visit
It’s true maybe we will learn more later and other targets will be included (hopefully!), right now I'm just going off the info we haveJust now, NastyNateSoldiers said:I can see your point but the Bills can't afford to flop on another DE with a high pk. If he falls to the 4th that's fine but otherwise take someone else like Mohamed Kamara I like him better.
This is a horrible yr for edge players I much rather use a high pick on DT there's tons of value at that position from the 2nd Rd to the early to mid 4th. I realize there's a major need for an edge player for the Bills but drafting for need is a recipe for disaster. Take a DE in the mid rds use your high pks on proven ballers.
I agree, I think the day 3 edge rushers are where the value is. Beane doesn’t always do things the way I see though for better and worse. And there are other DL visits we have had besides Kneeland so they may go a different way. I would just include Kneeland on the inside track to pick 60 right now with the other visitors.-
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14 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
I don't know why Kneeland ranked so high by draft pundits . He has minimal statical production on a college level and that's major red flag to me especially considering he played against less competition in a small conference he should've dominated. I realize he has the physical abilities and the measurements that most teams covet but to me that would make him a 4th or 5th Rd pk at best.
Yea I’m not a fan either, but the weak DE class is having teams looking for potential and he has the coveted size, workout number combo.
The last two years the Bills have had their second round pick in for a 30 visit so I give guys who have had that the inside track for the Bills for better or worse.-
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@gonzo1105 did Brugler say it was ok to copy his Bills picks? I kid, I kid
I do think we will be surprised how few WRs go before the Bills pick. I think a lot of teams will target them in round 2 with the deep class. I like Brian Thomas so I’m good with the pick.
I still think 60 will be a defensive lineman like Isaac, Kneeland or Orohroro. If they went safety here, I think it would be Kinchens despite combine. Couple of ties between Addae and McD favorite Manny Diaz that link him to the Bills.
Other astute picks: I do feel like Johnny Newton makes it to rd 2 despite being a first round talent. I agree Chop goes before Latu due to the medicals.
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33 minutes ago, DJB said:
One thing that is different with Eskridge is he played 5 years of college. All others on the list played no more than 3 seasons. Franklin is a true junior and I believe underrated.-
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Joe Marino's Bills specific draft board: Horizontal & Vertical
in The Stadium Wall
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Did he though? His best games came against the a freshman corner at UNC, a backup corner and safety at Georgia, Furman, 1-7 in SEC play MSU, 3-5 Florida, Jacksonville State, 0-8 Vanderbilt. His best game was probably against 3-5 Kentucky when he went one on one against Andru Phillips who is a good player.
He is pretty good downfield when he can be more physical than the other player and push off or jump over them. He takes a lot of steps to turn those vertical routes and transition them into a comeback or dig. He also is pretty good at running crossers.
Watching all of his targets really disappointed me. He was not good at screens or end arounds, regularly getting tackles one on one by everyone including players from Furman, etc. He didn’t run his agilities and you can see why as him getting tackled one on one looks to be from him not being able to dodge players laterally or run through tacklers at his feet. He is very fast when he gets a runway to run a straight line
For a five year player, his route running is so under developed which makes you wonder how long it will take him to develop effective counters to corners that take away his verticals. Watching Nate Wiggins mirror him and Legette not having any counter was disappointing.
To me, he is a one dimensional player at the moment. You can send him vertical or have him run a crosser but that is not a first round player. Even those hoping he could be the second coming of DK: he is smaller, slower and does not stack vertically like DK did. I think he is a later day 2 guy based on taking a shot on measurables def not day 1, imo.