Sammy Watkins' Rib
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It's not just about the games he play in or started...it's also about how often he was playing hurt. I loved Sammy as a writer for the bills, and would rather still have had him on this team, but his nagging injuries were evident in his play. I'm willing to bet he hasn't been completely healthy for 50% of his time here.
It's the NFL. You think other star receivers are playing 100% healthy all season? And before you say, yeah but they produce, well yeah that is because they have more competent QBs and passing attacks that give them 10+ targets a game.
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When he asks for 90m+ for 6 yrs after playing in 10 or 12 games and making 40 or 50 catches we can laugh
Don't hold your breath for that to happen.
Look. Is Watkins injury prone? You could probably say so. But everyone is acting like the dude is going to miss 8 games again. That is extremely unlikely. As pointed out he played 29/32 games his first two seasons. Nothing wrong with that at all. He is way more likely to play in all 16 this year then miss even 4 or 5 games.
As for what kind of production he puts up? Well that is part of the key to this trade. Would Beane ever have had the balls to trade him to a team with a legit QB? I'm thinking not. But with him going to a team with a bad QB, it almost insures that the Bills at the very least don't come out looking like they got smoked in this trade. With Goff, Watkins cieling is probably 1150 yards and 10 TDs.
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if the bills can get a top qb in the draft then yes, it's very worth it. it would be nice not to have to worry about the qb position for a decade plus.
haven't the pats typically had high number of picks each year?
And this year they are going the other route. Bringing in Gilmore, Gilislee, and Cooks. They haven't exactly been good a drafting players the last decade. They just have Brady and Belicheck and really that's all that matters.
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They are getting their ducks in a row to make a run at a top QB in next year's draft.
Without one we are doomed to mediocrity.
The plan is worth a shot, and it is too early to judge.
They need to ditch Taylor then. Why start him this year and win say three games you would have lost with Peterman or Yates at QB instead. Insure that you get a top five pick. May even need to ensure you get a top 3 pick with the number of teams looking to tank.
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Really impossible to answer this question I think. I will say I do expect better production out of the receiving core this year compared to last year. But that's not to say Watkins/Woods/Goodwin isn't better. Circumstances just lead last year's production to be way down because Watkins missed 8 games. It would be foolish to expect Watkins to miss 8 games again in 2017.
On the other side we have Boldin who will be playing at the age of 37. And he is coming off a year where his ypc tanked from an already low 11.4 to an abysmal 8.7 ypc. Boldin's YPC has gone down in each of his last six seasons so expecting a resurgence above 10ypc could be wishful thinking. Matthews has also seen his YPC decline for two straight seasons all the way down to a low of 11.0 last season. And obviously we have no idea what we have in Zay Jones.
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I can't blame them for being excited. It is very little to give up for huge upside. Gains was their 4th CB and injury prone? Basically they gave up a second to see if Sammy can stay healthy. If he does they have a game changer. They still need a QB but franchise tag Sammy and Darnold, Allen or Rosen could be throwing to Sammy in 2018.
come back to us at the end of 2017 when Sammy has played 4 games and is now hitting free agency.
Still worth the gamble. We used two first round picks on Sammy. They used a 2nd and gave us a player they didn't even need.
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What I dont think fans have wrapped their minds around is that they were not going to be able to resign Sammy
Beane said as much in his presser......
So how would you feel about the trade "Sammy for a year" was inserted into the verbage?
Our new GM has never heard of the Franchise Tag? 100% chance Sammy could have been here for another year beyond 2017 if we chose to go that route.
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I'll watch the top college QB's. The Chiefs. And all the other teams we will compete with for a top 3 pick. Jets, Browns, 49ers, Jags.
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Everybody who hopped on the trade Ragland train is missing one thing...
If he really is that bad that we have to trade him, nobody is going to give us anything of value for him
Especially not a mid round pick
If he's shipped out it will be for a 6th or 7th and I'd rather just have the depth
We should try to swing him for a player like when we landed Hughes for Sheppard.
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He won't. But he should be IMO. With Tyrod starting we will not be able to do a full tank this season. And I don't really see a long term benefit in keeping Tyrod because I feel the front office and coaching staff will want to move on after this season. I mean Taylor would have to pretty much play out of his mind for us not to draft a QB next year.
The other problem though is it seems quite a few teams are content to tank next season and go after a QB next draft/off-season. So as much of an upgrade as Taylor would be to teams like the Jets, 49ers, Jags etc. none of those teams are serious about winning games this year.
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Obviously if you knew what I was talking about you'd know I was talking about getting something for a player before they left on their own.
Not comparing talent. You'd know that if you payed attention.
Of course. But as I have pointed out. Pats still have talent on their roster despite the many players they have let go over the years. We have McCoy and not much else. That's going to be a problem for us. You can't follow the Patriot's recipe and expect success if the cupboards are bare.
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obviously coming from someone that doesn't know what he's talking about. It's cool, just be mad and hate the Bills.
I'm sure it's mostly just a distraction from getting down about the things you hate in your own life.
Pretty sure he is correct. 17 years and counting for us. Pats five Super Bowl victories over that span.
Pats have Brady, Gronk, Edleman, Gilmore.
Bills have McCoy.
But it's okay because we have six picks in the first three rounds next year. We'll foolishly start Tyrod all season which means we won't finish bad enough to get a top 3 QB in the 2018 draft.
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Two 1st round picks, Two 2nd picks, Two 3rd round picks, Free agents Tyrod Taylor, Jordan Matthews, EJ Gaines freeing up cap space.
So Cousins or Garoppolo?
We may have a couple more 3rd Rounders via Comp picks.. 8 picks in the first 3 rounds?? Figure those cuts to be made. Now, which '18 QB is a 'Franchise' player?
With our luck the '17 draft classs ends up being better then the '18 draft class.
Dude, if you think the only impediment to the Bills actually drafting a competent NFL QB in 2018 is the competition, you are living in Fantasy Land. The 2002, 2006, 2007, 2010, and 2013 drafts didn't produce a top QB, and the verdicts are still out on 2014-2017. Furthermore, in most drafts, there's at best, only 1 quality QB ... and not all of them were Top 3 or Top 5 picks. The only two drafts that have produced multiple HOF/likely HOF QBs since the merger were 1983 and 2004, which means there's a whole lot of both astute evaluation and luck involved in selecting the right collegiate QB to draft.
Perfectly said. Everyone right now is talking up the '18 QB Draft Class. But let's check the date. August 12, 2017. Come next February the # of good prospects could go from 4 or 5 to 1 or even 0. And even then they are still only prospects. This whole thing has been a huge crapshoot over the last several years. Carr, Dak, Wilson three of the better QBs in the league currently all drafted 2nd round or later. You still have front offices taking major swings and misses at guys like Goff. Who's to say the Bills won't do the same in '18?
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The good thing about the trade is Sammy is with the Rams. At best Sammy puts up maybe 1180yards and 9 TDs. Very respectable numbers considering Goff is there. But imagine if we traded him to Green Bay or some other team with a good QB?
My guess is Matthews would cost more than what ever Robert Woods got paid from the Rams. But shouldn't be too expensive.
If Matthews puts up his usual 1k yards yes. What if Matthews has more yearns yards than Sammy? Lot of receivers in la. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If Matthews gets 100 receptions he just might reach 1K.
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Boldin averaged less than 9ypc last year. And now our top WR averages 11.0 ypc. Matthews average has dipped in each of his three years in the league from 13.0 to 11.7 to 11.0. He was never a big yards per catch guy but his numbers are going the wrong way and at the young age of 25. Hopefully Zay Jones can be our guy to open up the field.
At least Watkins is going to the Rams. Even if he stays healthy he is not likely to put up big numbers there which will make the trade tolerable.
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Over a preseason performance?
You won't see that from me.
I agree unless his pre-season performances resemble those from Dak last year.
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You really are trying hard to make a comparison between Sammy Watkins and Julio Jones.
This is utter lunacy.
Let's put it this way: Any interest in a bet on who has the better NFL career at even money? Of course not, since it is probably somewhere north of 50-1 against Sammy ever reaching that level. Would be awesome (though it'd necessarily have to be with another team that isn't Buffalo), but it isn't going to happen.
LOL. Just because some say a guy is comparable it leads you down the road of "no he isn't let's make a bet to prove it'? If Sammy puts up only75 or 80% of Julio's numbers he's got a chance for a HOF career. They are still comparable at this point of their careers no matter what you think. Do I expect Sammy to go off for 1600 yards 100 receptions and 6 TD's? No. Do I expect him to go off for 1300 yards 85 receptions and 10 TDs? Yes.
Again, everything leading up to year three for each player is very comparable. In fact probably not another more comparable player in the NFL currently. What Sammy does from year 4 and on we don't know. Basically three things can happen. He can continue to under produce, he can produce at a top 10 level, or he can produce at a HOF type level. Let's hope it is one of the two latter options.
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Also, huge lol at comparing Sammy Watkins to Julio Jones. Sure, both guys saw their teams give up a ton to draft them, and sure they both have had a janky foot. But Julio may be the best receiver in NFL history, and we declined Sammy's 5th year option. End of story.
So many things wrong here.
1. So we shouldn't try to make projections? Just wait until a players obvious place in history smacks us in the face?
2. Julio Jones was nowhere near the best receiver in NFL history after only three years in the league.
3. Sammy actually produced at a higher rate in each players second year. Yes Julio produced at higher rates in years 1 and 3. But with all the other similarities to their careers and I'd say these players are quite similar through three years. And Sammy having one year of better production helps.
4. Matt Ryan and falcons passing attack is way better for a receiver compared to EJ Manuel/Kyle Orton/Tyrod Taylor and the ground and pound rushing attack of the Buffalo Bills.
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So technically ya'll think Sammy is actually way better than Julio because he doesn't have Matt Ryan as his QB?
Nobody is saying he is way better. Or even better at all.
But Matt Ryan and the Falcons passing attack >>>better situation for a receiver over Taylor and the ground and pound rushing attack of the Bills the last two seasons. I wouldn't really think that is debatable.
And for what it is worth, if we look at year two numbers for each player Watkins put up better numbers despite playing with a more limited QB and offense. So we know Watkins has the ability and is capable of Julio Jones type production. Let's see what he does this year.
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I don't think he's as bad as that play and were he managed better we may have got some value for him.
Yeah but then you have the Jacksonville debacle. Yes he came back and played well after the first quarter. But that first quarters was just SO BAD.
And even last year against the Jets he was very bad all around. I think the proof really does show he is a really bad QB.
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When talking TDs from QBs nobody ever says Jim Kelly had 34 TDs in 1991, or 244 for his career, or Tom Brady had 52 in 2007, or Aaron Rodgers had 44 last year, who knew Dan Marino had 9 rushing TDs or Peyton Manning had 18 or Brady has 17 in their careers. Only for Tyrod are his rushing TDs included in his everyday stats by the CoT because by themselves his passing TDs stats are so poor. Adding his rushing and passing TDs together gives the perception TT is better than he actually is, that's why it's done imo. Tyrod had 17 passing TDs in 15 games last year, and 10 games of 1 or 0 TDs passing, how can anybody anywhere be ok with that and think that is "good enough", it's not!
Old School, with all due respect you really can't see the significance of taking into account rushing numbers for QBs like Newton and Taylor? Obviously without that aspect of their games they wouldn't be starting QBs. 17 or 18 rushing TDs over a 16 or 18 year career doesn't have much significance. But 17 or 18 rushing TDs over just 3 or 4 seasons has a huge significance. Same thing with 500-600 rushing yards on a season.
Also, with Taylor I still maintain that we have to see what he does in year three before we truly no what we have or don't have with him. His 2015 season was very good. His 2016 season was below average. His 2017 season will be the tiebreaking season for him. Another very good season from him like his 2015 season could very well likely cement him as our QB for the 2018 season.
Yeah 17 passing TDs in 15 games is pretty poor. But what about 20 passing TDs in 14 games? All this of course complicated still with Watkins missing significant time in both 2015 and 2016.
We will certainly throw more. Tyrod has to get to 30 total TDs IMO if he is going to be a consideration for 2018. He's going to have to take a step.
30 total TDs should probably cement him as the starter for 2018. I think he gets real consideration around 26-27. At the same time I don't think I would be opposed to drafting a top QB prospect in the first round still and letting him sit for a couple years. Or just let the two duke it out in pre-season and see who wins the job. That's how Taylor won his starting job here to begin with. And other recent rookie QBs like Dak and Wilson showed similar early success and also won their jobs.
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I was excited to see Orton come just so we could get EJ off the field, if I recall correctly most fans felt that way. Ej was a disaster. Was that not EJS 2nd year? Can't recall for sure
Correct. It was his second year. It wasn't just the Watt pick six that was bad in that game. IIRC EJ completed less than 50% of his passes in that game. I felt like EJ should have still been able to overcome that pick six and win the game for us but he couldn't. Orton's first four games provided a spark. But I recall by the time he played Denver late in the season I was ready to see EJ back again. That's how bad Orton's play had gotten.
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We would still be drastically worse with him off the roster.
He is by far the best TE we have had here in a long long time. He can do it all
Top 12 in the league easily. Just gotta stay healthy. I'd rather have him on the roster
You're over rating Clay big time IMO.
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were there really 50 good plays between 1999 and now? My favourite over this period was Jabari Greer.
What play was this??
Rams' fan reaction to Sammy trade
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Even when 100% healthy he's been a decoy in our ground and pound offense. Remember the Kansas City game? That should have been a 3 TD 200+ yard game for Watkins. But he went decoy in the second half no fault to his own.