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yeah I am aware, I was taking it in a different direction...

Yeah he'd be a good Mayhem... "I'm stone hands Jones... Its the 4th Quarter, 5 seconds left and you're down by 4. Your team has the ball at the 5 yard line... You could've had a better receiver but instead chose a cut rate player like me... You throw me the ball expecting a Touchdown and celebration.... instead I ripe out your heart and end you playoff hopes with a bobble and drop as time expires. so get Allstate and prevent Mayhem like me."

I'd be more disappointed if he didn't rejoin the Raiders.... now we can enjoy more issues and complaining and him torpedoing that franchise... Can't wait for him to have just 1 catch in week 1 and call our Carr.

They Made the decision not to pick up his option after the draft right when Beane was coming in and Whaley was being shown the door. I wonder if the decision would've been the same if Beane had more time in the front office before he had to make the decision. Regardless they decided not to pick up the option on a guy who had been hurt often, and they were in the process of revamping a roster. Then when they got to Camp they saw an opportunity to move Sammy to get draft assets to help ensure they could get their QB. They obviously valued that above all else... and I don't blame them. Regardless of if they'd picked up Sammy's option or not I think he would've been traded so they could add that 2nd and Gaines, which allowed them to feel comfortable trading away Darby for a 3rd and Matthews. That 2nd helped them get Allen, and that 3rd helped them get Edmunds... Would you rather have Allen and Edmunds, or just Allen... the reason I put it that way, is if we didn't have a 2 seconds, we would've needed to give up our second 1st rounder to get Allen. And we wouldn't have had the extra third we used to go up for Edmunds either.

Thanks man, and I see what you're saying. Part of my response is more than just for the guy I'm arguing against, it's also for the other people reading his post and maybe not having all the information to know why the argument he's putting up is inaccurate. So Hopefully I can change his mind, but if not, at the very least, I've put the accurate information out there to help other people come to their own conclusion with all the facts and figures. Haha thanks buddy, these are fun analyses to run... When you look at our contracts versus those of the Jets and the Browns, you can see our GM has a clear road map towards keeping our young talent, and the Jets and Browns are looking for splashes versus "Building"... in a few years it's going to be VERY hard for them to keep their guys as those contracts are still big and hard to get out of, but our guys are all being re-signed because the bulk of the cap hits for our higher paid players are front loaded and the deals are easy to get out of.

As I've said in my other replies to people who've asked me this, yes that is correct... I have gone into more detail in those but I'm not retyping the same thing over and over.

Good! Makes playing them week 1 look that much more satisfying!

Did you even bother to read the rest of my post that you cut off? Because it entirely disproves your inaccurate statements... I don't think you understand how the Salary cap or dead cap works... Dead cap hits are the remainder of guaranteed money... He got $11M at signing (money which has already been paid and needs to be accounted for over the 4 years of the deal at $2.75M per year), and $9.4M across the first 2 years of the deal. Add up $11 + 9.4 and you get how much? OHHHH right $20.4... the exact same as his dead cap hit if we cut him this year. His pro rated bonus this year is $2.75 (same as every other year) + his $7.4M guaranteed Salary ... that equals $10.15M So in 2020 if we cut him you take $10.15 and subtract it from the TOTAL GUARANTEED MONEY which is $20.4, not your made up number... and you get..... DRUM ROLL $10.25... the exact number I already stated. His "Cap Hit" in 2020 would be $11.625M, so his dead cap would be $1.375 M LESS than if we kept him on the roster... you just subtract the dead cap of $10.25 from the roster hit if he were on the team of $11.625. So there would be savings by year 2 if we needed to cut him... it's not ideal that we wear the dead cap of $10M but at least we aren't handcuffed to him forever since we can get out from under the deal in year 2. The savings are even better in years 3 and beyond. If you're comparing that to the Dareus deal, you may want to get your facts straight... Dareus signed a 6 year $108M deal in 2015. In that deal he was guaranteed $65M PLUS a $25M Signing Bonus, so you're talking about $90M that needed to be accounted for by the cap. He was traded in 2017, the 3rd year of that deal. He was 3 years in and the dead cap was $10.66 in 2017 and $14.2M in 2018 making a total of $24.86... his dead cap 3 years in was still more than the total guarantees given to Morse. On the flip side, if we cut Morse in the second year of his deal we will already realize cap savings of $1.375, and in the 3rd year we'd be saving $4.875M in cap and wear just a cap hit of $5.5M, all of which is the remainder of the unaccounted for bonus money. The reason the deal isn't a massive boondoggle disaster is because of the structure Beane uses with his contracts. He makes them so that they are nice upfront money for the player to give them an incentive to sign on the bottom line, with most of that money in the first year or two. THEN After that first year, the team can opt out without a big cap hit. Here's another example... the Trent Murphy Contract: Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Other Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $14,525,000 $5,250,000 $1,000,000 $1,500,000 $300,000 $150,000 $5,625,000 $22,318,750 2018 28 $2,625,000 $1,750,000 $0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $2,625,000 $4,662,500 2.6% 2019 ? 29 $5,800,000 $1,750,000 $500,000 $500,000 $100,000 $150,000 $3,000,000 $8,706,250 4.6% $6,500,000 $2,206,250 2020 ? 30 $6,100,000 $1,750,000 $500,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $0 $8,950,000 4.5% $1,750,000 $7,200,000 So he signed in 2018 and got a signing bonus of $5.25M and $5.625M Guaranteed Salary over the life of the 3 year deal with all of it in the first 2 years. So had we cut him in 2018 we would've had to account for the bonus plus the guarantees, so the cap hit would've been $10.875M, his cap number on the other hand was $4.6625M, so we would've had to use up additional cap space to cut him. HOWEVER the reason this deal is a perfectly constructed "Prove it" deal where if they wanted out in 2019, his Cap hit is $8.7M-ish they could've cut him and only worn a dead cap hit of $6.50M and SAVED $2.2M+ for this year. In year 3, 2020, his cap hit is $8.95M, however he has $0 in Guaranteed Salary, and the only money remaining from his Signing Bonus is $1.750. So the dead cap to cut him would only be $1.75M and we'd SAVE $7.2M against the cap. So if he's good we keep him on a good contract for a pass rusher in 2020, if he sucks, we cut him and wear a very minimal cap hit. And at the end of the day the player is happy because he earned good money over the life of the "Prove it" Deal.

Oh I entirely agree, I am just saying I have my doubts about the Phins as an organization right now... we'll see how things shape up but they seem a bit ass backwards still... not as bad as teams like Houston the Jests, or Booz-azona... but still not quite on the rails.

If the best QB in history is coming out and saying "It sucks but I'll deal with it" then AB absolutely looks like a "Damn Fool" acting like he should have more pull than the Tom Bradys of the world...

Good thing the Dolphins have it all together...... ?

I mean I'd sell my toe for $10K.... as for the other question.... depends whose D...

Pretty sure that's a different surgery...

Roster version of Replithentic?

Done by a professional and no pain? $10K and it's done.

JMO but I think Ittakestime is kind of right... to a degree. What I mean is that Long was an abysmal failure at Center last year, and I agree that he was brought in to Buffalo to play OG. Where I think the disparity is, McDermott and Beane value guys who can play multiple positions. While they added Long to be in the mix at OG, I think they always also valued his ability to "in a pinch" play Center. Proof of this is that Long has been listed as a C/G on the Bills roster on their website since he was signed. He was always viewed as a guy who could play center, but IMO he was supposed to come in and compete for either the starting OG spot, or a back up OG/C spot because of his versatile skill set. Right now Long is playing Center because Bodine was a tire fire, and Morse is obviously not able to play right now. So out of necessity he's running with the 1s, but I think it's 100% proof he will be on the 53 man either as a starting OG, or a backup OG and backup C. Long Battled through A LOT of injuries last year, and the Jets signed him to a rich C contract last off-season because he has had success at Center. He's more of an OG by trade and skill, but he CAN Be successful at Center. Bodine is only still on this roster because there isn't a viable replacement out there to take reps. Look for the Bills to trade for a Center if they can using some of their depth. But at this point no team is giving away starting caliber centers or guards. So we're making due with what we have. So I guess in summary, Long was brought here to play OG as it's more his natural position, but he can play Center and has been successful there just like he's been a disaster there. Hopefully Morse can come back and Long can slide back to OG, but for now, he's the best we have and teams aren't just giving away Centers right now. We'll be combing cuts for depth on the line, but for now this is the best we can do. That wouldn't happen IMO. He would be screwing the Bills over HARD CORE if he just up and retired. The classy thing to do would be to let the team put him on IR and wait until 2020 so it would be year 2 of his deal and the cap hit would be SIGNIFICANTLY decreased. Just like what Eric Wood did by waiting until after June 1st to file his retirement paperwork so the cap hit for his retirement would be amortized over 2 years instead of all hitting at once. It was always a risky signing, but they needed to take a swing! And they did... hopefully he can go, but if not, at least there were out there trying. And like I said in my previous post, the contract is not the end of the world like people seem to think.

Zay getting extra chances when showing just as little in preseason and TC as foster, yet being #2 with Foster not even getting rotations in the spot is proof that McDermott values him more. For quick Clarity I'm saying #2 WR but by that I mean the outside WR opposite Brown... Who is #1, #2, #3 based on targets etc is academic until the season starts. I've seen nothing, read nothing, and heard nothing to say Zay has earned the #2 spot over anyone. Outside of Brown and Beasley, I've read and seen nothing but inconsistency from the other WRs... Honestly I've been more impressed with Ray Ray and McKenzie than Zay or Foster to this point. However both Zay and Foster have those higher ceilings than Ray Ray or McKenzie, and neither Ray Ray or McKenzie have the size or skill set necessary to play the outside like a #2 WR needs to do. So you settle back to "who will be the #2 WR" Zay gets every look despite lackluster performance in TC and now his first outing in preseason. Foster has been about the same up and down and doesn't get rotated in with the 1s... To me that says Zay is a favorite. If you don't agree, that's your call.

I have no idea what you're even talking about.... I never said Zay did... but Zay is a McDermott guy since they traded up to draft him, it's pretty obvious he highly values him. But I honestly have no idea what you're getting at here.

You mean like signing Panthers guys McDermott loves that Mike Tolbert, Star Lotulelei, Dean Marlowe, Kurt Coleman, Captain Munnerlyn, Derek Anderson,.... I mean do I really need to keep going?

The Kroft and Morse deals LOOK "Lofty" but in reality they are not... Morse's is a bit more firm than Kroft, but both are deals the Bills can get out of fairly easily... Kroft's Deal: Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $10,950,000 $2,400,000 $3,600,000 $1,500,000 $300,000 $3,900,000 $18,406,250 2019 ? 27 $1,800,000 $800,000 $2,100,000 $500,000 $100,000 $3,900,000 $4,956,250 2.6% $6,300,000 ($1,343,750) 2020 ? 28 $4,450,000 $800,000 $750,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $6,600,000 3.3% $1,600,000 $5,000,000 2021 ? 29 $4,700,000 $800,000 $750,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $6,850,000 -- $800,000 $6,050,000 So he'a s Cap hit of just $4.95M in 2019, which increases to $6.6M in 2020. HOWEVER in 2020 if we want to cut him we wear just a $1.6M cap hit with $5M in cap savings. In 2021, he would be $6.85M against the cap, but if we cut him we wear just a $800K cap hit and save $6.05M. This deal is by definition a 1 year deal with team option years. Kroft gets nice guaranteed salary for 2019, but going into 2020 and 2021 there is nothing guaranteed, so he needs to EARN IT. If he can't stay healthy this year, they can put him on IR and come to an injury settlement, OR just wait until the 2020 league year, release him, and wear a small cap penalty and move on. It's not the end of the world by any means. Morse Deal: Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $25,100,000 $11,000,000 $5,000,000 $3,000,000 $400,000 $9,400,000 $44,187,500 2019 26 $4,400,000 $2,750,000 $3,000,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $7,400,000 $10,937,500 5.8% $20,400,000 ($9,462,500) 2020 ? 27 $6,775,000 $2,750,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $2,000,000 $11,625,000 5.8% $10,250,000 $1,375,000 2021 28 $7,025,000 $2,750,000 $0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $10,375,000 -- $5,500,000 $4,875,000 2022 ? 29 $6,900,000 $2,750,000 $1,000,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $11,250,000 -- $2,750,000 $8,500,000 WHAT?!?!?!? $44M??? HIT THE PANIC BUTTON!!!!! Oh, what's that? only $9.4M is guaranteed? The Morse deal is a bit more than a 1 year deal like Kroft's, it's essentially a 2 year deal with SIGNIFICANT protection to the Bills considering the dangers of injuries for Morse. The first year, this year, 2019, he is $10.9M against the cap, and it would be a SIZEABLE $20M to cut him... well he'd be post June 1st now so it would be $12M in 2019 and $8M in 2020... but I digress.... Sure that's big, we can't get rid of him in 2019, HOWEVER in 2020, his cap hit goes up to $11,625, but if we decided to opt out of the experiment and go in a different direction, he can be release for a $10.25M dead cap hit, and actual cap savings of $1.3M. After that 2 year period, the Bills realize much larger cap savings if they want to get out from under the Morse deal... in 2021, they could cut him for a $5.5M cap hit and $4.87M savings and in 2022 the final year, we could cut him and only wear the final $2.75M of his signing bonus and save $8.5M While it was a risk to sign Morse to a deal with this much money, they structured it with outs every year following the 2019 season where they would eat cap, but could also get relief if they chose to move on from Morse, or Morse needed to retire etc... If they or Morse himself decides he's done after 2019, we do wear $10M in dead cap, but it comes in a year when we are FLUSH with cap to replace him, and after 2020, that is off the books and we move on. If he gets healthy and stays a few years, our ability to get out from under the deal only gets better and better. .... People complain about the deal like it's going to kill us in the future, however those same people tend to run around complaining without actually looking at the details of the contract and the ability for the Bills to get out of them. There's a new sheriff in town and unlike years past, Beane is structuring deals to benefit the Bills long term, while throwing the players a bone short term to get them to ink the deal.

Wont lie... yeah, it is...

On a side note, Does anyone know how many snaps Patrick Dimarco took in week 1 of preseason. That's a spot I have been curious about but really forgot to watch. Also after his fumble I expected Yeldon to slide down below Perry... I wouldn't be surprised to see him be traded or cut after week 2 of preseason. Sal on WGR this morning was talking about how Singletary turned heads and there is a feeling that he's making the case to be a true starter in the NFL early. If he keeps the pressure on he can make the decision on what to do with RB very hard on the coaches. I still don't think they will trade Shady, but if Singletary is threatening to take a lot of snaps, it becomes a very interesting discussion about how they'll divide up carries and who they will or wont keep.

I'm pretty done with Zay. He had a disaster of a rookie season, and while he bounced back pretty well least year, he was still unremarkable and never made a statement that he was "sure handed". I don't want to make an entire case about why he should be cut based on 1 preseason game, so I am not going to make that the only evidence that he hasn't progressed, but the drop at the goal line was just another example of what we've consistently seen from him for 2 seasons. On top of that there have been murmurs that in TC he has been unremarkable and hasn't separated himself there either. The feather he has in his cap is that McDermott and Beane have shown they tend to favor "their guys" and Zay is one of "their guys", and on top of that Josh targeted Zay 5 times in the first game... there is A LOT of comfort he has with Zay, and I don't think they'll move on from a guy that Josh trusts. Whether or not we agree with that trust, if Josh likes him, he'll get every opportunity to prove he can be better than what we're seeing. I would be perfectly fine with a Zay Jones cut, and move Foster into that #3 spot to grow into the role. He too has been a bit of a disappointment thus far in camp and preseason, but his ceiling is light-years beyond Zay, and when forced into a starting role he took the bull by the horns. I think hes a guy who needs to be pushed to rise to the occasion... so DO IT.

Yup we brought in Wegman's Subs... but the beer was $14 for a 24oz can of Molson... there are varied prices but that's probably the best bang for your buck.