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Whelp......

I think Jax takes a WR here. They could definitely use a CB, but they have their pick of WRs here. And Dallas is definitely another likely WR spot. As close as we are, I am not going to get excited yet because we could easily see 2-3 WRs come off the board before we pick between these teams and a team that could potentially trade ahead of us.

Dolphins were actually practical. Go figure. The Eagles won't take one, so, is there one that Beane absolutely needs and wants to secure? If so, this is the trade to make. Jax and Dallas could both take WR. Then, you have to start worrying about the teams behind you jumping up as well. So, if there is someone Beane absolutely needs, this is the pick to try and get.

3 out of the next 4 teams could be WR. Big stretch here. Steelers could absolutely take one, even though they could use a CB and C. The Dolphins absolutely could because they are the freaking Dolphins and just want to create a track team even though they have question marks all over the defense. The Eagles won't take one, but Jax will for sure. If we have a guy we want, trading with the Eagles is probably the only option here.

Yup. It's pretty obvious at this point. If there is a WR that Beane absolutely wants and doesn't want to take a chance of him being there, #22 or earlier has to be the target. If we let Jax pick without jumping them, I think it will be pretty obvious Beane has all these guys rated about the same.

Depending on what happens with Jax and Cin, I think we are going to get a real good idea on how Beane has these WRs graded. With the way the draft has fallen, there will be plenty of opportunities to trade up into the early 20s to secure the guy they like best. If they don't, I think it will become pretty obvious that we just have all these WRs rated about the same (outside of the top 3). I think if we get through say pick 20 and no other WRs have gone, if we don't appear on the screen, they obviously don't want to spend even a little bit to get a specific guy. At this point, I am really hoping Legette is their guy and they are just confident he's going to be there for them to take. Guess we'll see over the next 3-4 picks. But the Rams, Steelers, Jags, Cowboys, and even the Dolphins could want to take a WR. A lot of teams to dodge to just sit there if we like a guy.

With the way this is playing out, we will have our pick of premier defensive players at 28! Ugh...... Get McDermott out of the draft room immediately! Don't need him in Beane's ear.

Would have hated Odunze or Bowers more. Lineman are lineman. Important, but nobody will ever go into a game fearing a lineman.

While I hate that the Jets get 2 mid round picks to move down one spot and still get the guy they wanted, I am still very happy they didn't have a chance to get Odunze. I will never fear a lineman. While they are certainly important, I am surprised they didn't go with the TE.

Well, at this point, I am hoping that the Bills are going to go with my second option in working to trade up from 60 back into the lower 30s and double dip. Give me Legette and one of the other guys rated in the same area - Mitchell, Worthy, McConkey, etc. While Odunze would have been nice, I truly think Legette could be a very similar player in the long run. The AJ Brown comparisons for him are real and I now want him.

Whelp......it is what it is. I think we're going to be here a while now.

Wow.....the Bears wasted no time. Better be Odunze.

If the Bears don't trade with the Bills, they better take Odunze. I don't want him on the Jets.

Ugh.....why is the TV so far behind already. The picks are out a full 5 minutes before they are announced and all I want to do is talk about what is going on now, and not 5 minutes ago.

Whelp, we get about 20 more minutes of "Odunze Watch". He won't make it past the Jets, so we have 2 picks to try and deal for if we want him. Ugh.....I will hate us not being able to get to him and hate it even more that we will have to play him multiple times a year.....

Booooo

OK....dodged one bullet.

All chalk so far.....but it gets interesting now with the Chargers on the clock. They could do so many different things. I think they ultimately go WR which would hurt, but hopefully they get a tackle instead.

A new QB in NE for us to try to ruin...... Hope he makes a lot of money, but is terrible on the field, especially against us.

LET'S GO BILLS!!!

He isn't getting past 10. The Jets will run to the podium if he's there. As much as I want him to be a Bill, I really don't want him on the Jets just as much.

You see a contract like this and can start to really understand the value of getting a rookie on a cost controlled contract for 5 years? I would not argue with you if you think the guy you need is one of the big 3 and want to trade 4-6 assets to get up and get him. I would also not argue with you if you want to stay at 28, maybe take a 2nd tier guy like Legette and then trade all the way back up in the 2nd round and grab another 2nd tier guy like Worthy, Mitchell, or someone else and have 2 cost controlled guys. I could make an argument for either and I don't think either would be wrong. Neither option may work out, but I can't argue with the premise of either. Regardless, trading for a guy like Ayuik is pretty much out of the question because we can't afford that type of contract. And, I might argue that I wouldn't want to pay that much for a WR anyway. There seems to be more and more talent coming out at WR every year. While having a top guy would be nice, I am not sure they offer enough value to get the QB style contracts. I think I can win just as much with a couple of good/great WRs instead of a dominant, elite WR with a bloated contract. There are so many talented guys out there and while WRs definitely impact the game, there are always 2-5 on the field at one time and even the best ones only touch the ball 7-9 times a game. They are not QBs that touch the ball every play. I think teams after seeing these contracts being handed out for a little while will soon realize that cost controlled WRs are the way to go. When they come up and are in line for the big contract, they will just bite the bullet, let them go, draft from the growing pool of talent and just try to find the next guy that can offer 75% of the guy getting the big contract and hope that the new player develops into the next big thing.

There is risk no matter what way you decide to go. That is why everything, even the choice you consider the safest is still a crap shoot. If you go with a rookie......is he going to be good? Is he going to be dominant enough to make you at least not mind the capital you gave up to get him? Would you have been just as happy 2 years from now staying put and taking a guys like Legette or someone else? Heck, stay put, take someone like Legette and then trade all the way back up in the 2nd round and double dip and take Worthy of someone else too! You don't get to know how these things would work out now,so you have to decide if it is worth the risk. What about the established star? How can you make the contract fit? Will that contract prevent you from signing another important player down the road? Will the skill set that he has completely transfer over to a new offense? Will that new offense get the most out of that star? Etc. etc....... That is why all of this is such a crap shoot and so much fun to talk about and debate. All of these questions above are one thing......then you throw in the potential of a serious injury in either scenario that would flush either option down the toilet immediately. It's a high risk game these teams play both on and off the field. As of now, I am in win now at all costs mode. We have, in my opinion, the most talented QB in the NFL and I want to take every swing I can over the next 5 years to win. So, I am looking to try to do both. Can I find a way to get the top 3 rookie and still go out there and get a top vet WR to pair with him? Maybe not JJ, but what about DK or Ayuik? Or forget the vet.....find a way to double dip at WR in the draft like I mentioned above. Picks are great for building your team. But when you are trying to win a Super Bowl, you have to think differently and I wouldn't blame the Bills one bit if they traded away 50% of the next 2 drafts to put the best weapons possible around Allen and just try to score 35-40 a game. Have your defensive genius head coach find a way to get 3-4 stops a game and just try to score as many points as possible and see what happens.

All this talk about trading up and going big game hunting is fun, but I am not sure how practical or likely it is. We may want to do it, but from 28, it is easier said than done as we all know. If we are really serious about it, it may take a couple of different trades to accomplish it. We may have to do something like we did in 2018 and get into the 12-16 range first and then get into the top 10 from there. But this is a trade, at least the first part, that would have to be done before the draft. I don't think this is the type of move you can do during the draft. You would probably have to talk to the teams in the top 10 and find out how far they are willing to drop. If you can work out something for 28, wonderful, otherwise you have to see where you would have to get to, and have a deal already in place if you can get into the range they tell you to. It might be complicated to do, but obviously possible because it has been done in the past. That said, is it the right thing to do? I will say, I could see this team falling in love with Odunze. He has great size, can run, is physical, and can separate. He reminds me so much of Moulds and he would be the perfect #1 WR for us, especially in the colder weather games. But what is having this one particular player worth? While I am not necessarily opposed to making the move, it is hard parting with so much capital. I always ask myself what would the best player in the NFL at a certain position be worth. QBs are different, because you have to have one, but what about WR? Justin Jefferson is probably the best out there right now. Contract aside, how much would you be willing to give up for JJ? A first? Two firsts? A first and a second? More? Now, add in the fact that he will be getting more than $30 million a year. How does that change things? To me, that lessens the value and makes parting with more assets to get 5 years of cost controlled production worth a bit more. Regardless on where you settle in at, going up for Odunze, or one of the other big 3, is going to cost you a lot more than what it would for the best WR in the league. It will probably cost 28, a 4rh round pick this year, next year's first and probably at least a 2nd and 3rd next year as well. Who knows.....it may cost both seconds next year. It is just a ton to give up. Now, if you were to work out some things with a couple of current players, that might help ease the pain a little, but any way you slice it, you will be giving up more than you would for the current best WR in the league for a rookie that you have no idea how good he's going to be, but is under a cost controlled contract. For those that want to do it, I completely understand it and can definitely make the argument for it. If it happens, obviously all eyes will be on the cost......and then we will immediately forget about it and celebrate the fact that one of the big 3 are on our team with Josh Allen at QB! Worry about next year, next year...... Whether or not this is actually even being discussed or not, we don't know. It is smokescreen season and I really tend not to believe much of anything out there. Do I think we're at least making the calls to see what it would cost? Yes. But that would be the only responsible thing to do. That is literally Beane's job to turn over every stone and look at every option. But how serious are these conversations? We might never know. Obviously, if it happens, we will know that the conversations were serious, but if it doesn't, I would expect if they do acknowledge the talks, that they would downplay the talks no matter how serious they are.

My time has come and gone as a pretty good athlete. There was a time when I had a pretty good arm back in the day. Not NFL levels good, but I could hit 60 yards on occasion. That said, outside of maybe a couple of swing passes to a RB, or a shovel / push pass, I'm guessing it wouldn't go extremely well. I'm guessing that even in my prime, the only passes I could complete would be quick hitters at or behind the LOS. I think trying to even hit a simple hitch route against NFL players would be darn near impossible for us average Joes, no matter how well you can throw a football. These people saying 6-10 or 11+ are absolutely in fairy tale land. There are games in the NFL where NFL QBs have not completed 10 passes. You think you being some Joe Shmoe off the street with no experience are going to go into an NFL game for the first time and complete double digit passes? You're absolutely dreaming.