GunnerBill

That isn't what he is saying. He is saying if your first round pick (Coleman was #33 but point stands) isn't starting and is behind a complete journeyman like Mack Hollins that is a reason to be concerned. He is not saying Coleman is a failure or Beane is a failure. Or that all first round picks must start.

You said he has taken literally all snaps with the ones. I understand what you mean now you explained but that isn't what you said.

The bolded isn't true. He did start off with the 1s it wasn't a start with the 2s and earn it situation, if that's what you mean but they have been rotating the top 4 with the ones and were rotating MVS and Shavers in a bit there too in the middle of camp.

You wouldn't find them. I am happy to own hating the Josh Allen pick. I did. A two year crusade is simply not true.

I didn't. Find the two year crusade. You won't be able to. I hated the pick. But aftet that I was completely fair to him on how he played game by game.

Alec Anderson. I would imagine the starting OL to be Grable and Van Demark at tackle, Collins left guard, Anderson Center, Clapp right guard. Because that has been the 2nd team OL all summer.

But that is as much on Brandon Beane and the coaches as it is on AJ himself. They drafted a big, base end, and asked him to become an outside speed rusher.

Yea kinda depends what the Philly offense looks like. But he should have a LOT of opportunity as the slot with those guys outside.

Quite possible

In a straight up who you taking I might take Dotson but it would be close. But in Shakir and a 3rd round pick or Dotson it is Shakir and the pick without doubt. I only had just over a round between them when I evaluated them coming out. I know Dotson went mid 1st and Shakir went 5th but I had a mid 2 on Dotson and a late 3rd on Shakir. Now at this point if you redrafted them..... they would go pretty close together.

Still crazy. Slot production is easier to get. You get more free releases. So taking a superior player who gets half a yard more per route ran outside off the boundary just because he might have an even bigger advantage over the inferior player in the slot once he gets a free release would be dumb. Yea there is a price I'd have been in on it. Not quite this price given the current makeup of our room.

Interesting analogy with the comparison to Elam.

It is the 3 I wouldn't do. If they'd have been willing to take a 4 and a 5 I might have done it. I get he is cheaper than Samuel but my question is more how do you get both on the field at the same time (and Shakir)? I think our need is more for a true outside guy. They will use Dotson as their slot. I'd be absolutely shocked if they did anything else. Moving Smith to play Dotson wide on a regular basis would be borderline insanity.

As long as Mitch is relatively short term (all indications are that he is) I am all but convinced they will do option 2. DiNucci to the PS and use his elevations. The one fly in the ointment is him balling out Saturday and some team snagging him for their 53 but I think the chances of that are super low. I'm actually surprised they haven't called Matt Barkley. He wouldn't be starting at ground zero with the playbook though with the OC change he'd need some time. And he can be your break glass in case of emergency PS option. Maybe they did before signing Brown and he said he is done. I dunno.

But you also have a bias when it comes to Dotson are liked him much more than me coming out. I think the evidence so far is very much in my favour. I agree he can't do all the things Samuel can and is probably a more natural route runner, but position wise he is a slot with Z flex. That was my point. I am not sure you are getting them both on the field.

Clapp and Jonathan are the only two candidates I can see. Would they keep Collins because he is worth nothing in a trade but trade Clapp cos he might return you a 6th or 7th?

I think he is a slot with some Z flex. But that is also what we just gave Curtis Samuel $8m per to do isn't it? I'm not sure he has shown anything to be an upgrade on Samuel. Indeed they were on the same team last year and Samuel had more targets, more receptions and more yards. I'd not have been against an early day 3 pick as a gamble on upside. But unless Samuel's turf toe is serious I don't know that I'd have been giving up more than that. It is. I think it makes a lot of sense for the Eagles, he can be a slot only in that offense with two studs getting the majority of coverage attention outside. And for Washington getting a day 2 pick back for a selection of the last regime who you don't see as a fit that is a good result.

But he is basically a replica of Samuel and we need outside guys. Like there is a price I'd have done it at a 4th and a 6th, maybe a 4th and a 5th (to keep him our of a divisional rivals clutches maybe that would have done it?) but he isn't worth a day 2 pick at this stage IMO. As was said by @DCOrange - I think if they didn't find a trade partner he was gonna be cut.

I accepted it might be true on the twittersphere. I don't frequent that particular medium very often. See I wasn't down on Keon... I had him as WR9 😆 On a serious note - agree with everything else you wrote here.

You were the one saying that. That is where this all started. "They all only care about 40 time." And your evidence appears to be a bunch of guys saying "he doesn't separate." You say - ah that's a proxy for saying 40 time. I say, no it's not.

No, I'm not sure I would. An early day 3 pick not a day 2 one is where I'd have put the value. A 4th and a 6th or something.

At the right price, possibly. But he is another Curtis Samuel IMO. He really belongs in the slot but can play some outside. He was massively overdrafted but nobody wanted to hear it.

He has been bang average.

Overrated and overdrafted. I said it at the time. Will never be a #1 receiver while he has a hole in his backside. He could be a nice fit as a slot in the Eagles offense with two studs outside. That is where he belongs in the NFL. Inside.

I haven't projected anything. I have looked for evidence of people banging on about 40 time. It isn't there. Even speed is not the main criticism that comes up. The main criticism that comes up is separation. So I am just reading the words on the page. You are the one projecting.