GunnerBill

Oh well. If the Cover 1 team said so... I mean they have a history of always being right.... oh hang on, no they don't.

I think the rope is still pretty long for now. But if he keeps playing like that it is possible.

Yea I wasn't a massive fan either, particularly when people were talking about him as a first round pick. I thought he went about where he should at the end of the 2nd and while I was okay with him there I was surprised the Bills liked him because generally I think their preference has been linemen who are athletic and can move.

One major disagreement - I think it actually was pretty close to a disaster for O'Cyrus. 3 pressures, 3 penalties, 2 bad missed assignments on run plays. He was really rough. He looks out of condition to me. Agree though it was otherwise a very strong day for the line. And one major agreement - for all the crap I have given him pre-season I thought Mack Hollins had a really good game. In all facets. He ran the route on the touchdown perfectly - he made it look simple but you gotta get the depth of your break just right there to make sure both that a) you are making it to the endzone and b) that you have the right leverage on the DB to box him out. But not only that he found soft spots in zones well even when not targetted and played an important role as a blocker.

I didn't give him credit over Von. Nor did I say Von didn't do a decent job on that play. I said it was a freebie sack. Any of them could have been the first to Murray to tag him when on the ground. And it isn't proof of anything. What is your position? That those guys didn't win their assignments? Or that those guys winning their assignments had no part in reducing Murray's escape routes and that it was all Von Miller? Miller played a part in the pressure. Three Bills defenders closed in. Murray tripped over trying to fashion a way out. Von got a freebie sack.

Yep. I said it right away in this thread. Arizona played to take Kincaid away. He was the Bill they were not willing to let beat them. Agree. I think it is the one genuine legit criticism beyond the playcalling on that last series when we don't know how much Josh's health played in. They were too predictable with 1st down runs. It worked Sunday. Overall it needs to balance out for the offense to sustain success. Otherwise he did a really nice job on Sunday Brady. It's even better on second look. There are definitely more open receivers than at times last season.

Last year, for sure. I think before that the Bills have had something of an identity. Lots of shotgun passing, only running to keep the D honest, lots of option routes, lots of outbreaking plays and Josh's legs in the endzone. I think last year was a bit of a muddle and so far this year they seem to be going slightly away from what they have been.

I think what happened a bit is after his strong start last year teams got film on him and identified he has a bit of a weakness to a quick first step pass rusher attacking his inside shoulder. And teams are going after it. To @Coach Tuesday's point above though I do wonder about his conditioning. I know he is a bigger guy but he looks heavy and he isn't the most fleet of foot to start with.

Zero pressures given up by our tackles. 1 by Edwards (who was really good in the run game too) 2 by McGovern and 3 from Torrence (who also had 3 penalties - he was even worse on a 2nd look).

Yea he is here 2025 and 2026. 2027 is the first realistic exit point. That's cost OTC has already added on the prorated option bonus. But that technically doesn't trigger until March 2025, so Spotrac shows it but isn't counting it.

Yea the option bonus doesn't formally prorate until March next year. But it will. It's a given. So yes, you need to add $3.2m dead cap to 2028 and $6.4m dead cap to 2027. EDIT: sorry $6.4m in 2028 and $9.6m in 2027.... didn't spot that $3.2m also goes into a voided year in 2029.

Suggests years 4 and 5 are pretty small fry in terms of guarantee. It's a 4 year extension, money spread over 5 years, and potentially cheap exit after 3.

Agree. I think the Bills got the rough end of the deal first half, the personal foul and the repeated Cardinals false starts that were not flagged. I think we got some makeup calls later.... the RTP on Josh was soft as hell and Ingram could certainly have been called for PI at the end. I thought the officials just sucked generally.

I agree with this, and if he gets 9 more sacks this year I'll be happy to eat crow. I just don't think there was anything there yesterday to support a victory lap. Was there some encouragement compared to last year? Sure. Was this a "Von is back" performance? Not even close and that 'sack' is definitely not evidence of that.

I'm not trying to be that at all. I'm just saying it as a I see it. He did fine on the play but the sack was a bit of a freebie. It's like when Ed Oliver got his first career sack he got it on a flea flicker and said "yea I don't really count that one." It's equally like while I appreciate Groot's 3 sacks for the day the one he gets for chasing Murray out a yard shy is nice and I appreciate the effort but it doesn't tell me much about the pass rush in the way the other two do.

I promise you I am not.

I watched select cuts of the all 22 this morning. I will get to the rest of it later.

Depends what you mean by this. As opposed to someone who had no business being on an NFL field like he did last year? Yes, he did. But as a guy who is going to affect games consistently? No, he needs to do more to demonstrate that.

I think the loss of Huff was understated in the offseason. And then the idea presumably was offset some with Reddick but he is still holding out and I'm not sure he wants to be there.

Watched it back on the all22. MVS doesn't slow up. If anything he trips himself a bit at the very end trying to speed up. The wind definitely affected the throw. I want to see Josh start to hit those deep balls because it will help back defenses off and allow the Bills underneath guys (which is most of their skill players) more room to work. But I give him a bit of a pass on that one. The wind was blowing left to right for those of us watching on tv and I think it did just enough to take the ball beyond where MVS could have got to.

I haven't said Von had a bad play. He pushed his guy back. But it was Murray's clumsiness that led to a freebie sack. It isn't hard. It is just the reality of what happened.

That is not a fair characterisation of me at all. But I say it as I see it with every player. Von was better than last year but that's a low bar. He had a few pressures but that wasn't a sack in more than the stat books. He pushed his guy back, fair, but Murray trips. He gets a freebie sack. Nobody would be more delighted than me if Von gets double digit sacks this year and proves me wrong. But I am going to be honest with what I see. An example - I have been a big critic of Mack Hollins all summer - he played well Sunday and ran the route for his touchdown perfectly to be in a position where only he could make a play on the ball. I have no issue eating crow where it is deserved. Von's performance on Sunday was not one that should have anyone doing victory laps. He was moving better and he managed to sustain a higher snap count than I'd have guessed. They were the positives for him in my view.

Yea it's always been the knock on him. He is arrogant, aloof and not really a great communicator. He is a great play designer, probably the best of his generation and he is a really good talent evaluator too, he knows what specifications he wants for players at each position and can spot those talents in otherwise undervalued players. That helps his GM to build a sustainable roster. But his leadership isn't his calling card.

A certain former UK Government minister I once worked for used to say "impacted is a word for use by people who don't know whether they should use affected or effected and cop out."

He is also about to turn 30, and has 1 sack and 3 TFLs in three playoff starts. It's a bad idea, especially on a team that is in a mini-reset. If it is in two years time and the Bills have rebuilt a young roster and TJ is 32, still being somewhat productive but frustrated with a failing Steelers franchise and you want to add him as a final piece for a year or two similar to what they tried with Von I see the logic. But regardless of the ridiculous price you propose this isn't worth considering to the Bills right now.