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So sounds like even if the ex coach gets a job in the TV booth or being a motivational speaker, any monies received offset the salary owed by former team. I would have expected it to only include actual NFL team money, but apparently not.
I agreed. It makes one wonder why there aren't some coaches in that position with very low salaries during the offset portion of the contract and then much larger ones after.
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Your first 2 sentences don't match your second 2. Is he a sure fire can't miss here for a year "rent-a-coach" or is he someone who get's into "embarrassing situations" who "doesn't appear to have a clue as a HC?"
Pettine's situation was unique. I'd appreciate it if someone could find out when this last happened. Typically a person has to show consistency over a period of seasons before they are considered for a HC job. When last did a first year coordinator (with a team) get a HC gig?
Mike Tomlin was only a DC for one season. Vikings. Position coach before that. I don't think he's all that good of a HC, but I know many disagree.
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Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot 28m
#browns coach mike Pettine told @923TheFan it's not a five-year deal, which is what joe banner said thurs it is.
4 year deal with 5th year team option. That makes it 4 years guaranteed.
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Is their any precedent or hope that we will receive draft picks for losing Pettine to the Browns? Could we demand a draft pick to let O'Neil out of his contract?
I would imagine that these guys write some language into their contracts regarding promotions, and the option to exit the contract if these promotional opportunities present themselves.
Not sure though.
The NFL made it illegal to exchange draft picks and/or players for a coach. After the Grueden thing with Oakland and Tampa Bay they didn't want to see it happen again. There will be no compensation for any coach moving to another team.
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Let the games begin!
GO BILLS!!!
Yup.
That, and TJ Ward slamming right into his knee and partying like it was 1999.
Wrong safety. Ward didn't injure Manuel, Tashaun Gipson did.
I've never understood this concept. Does anybody actually think that an NFL team, after a gazillion hours of intensive research, analysis and work are going to see an offhanded comment in the media made by a different team......and then in any way adjust their plans?
I think the theory is that if a team doesn't put misinformation out then all that gets out is correct information. The idea is to put so much noise out there that other teams don't know what's true and what isn't. Just watch the mock drafts in the last few days before the draft. Some well connected people will dial in on the teams that don't cover their intentions well.
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I don't see that trade being in the best interest of either party to be honest. I don't see Cleveland spending that kind of ammo unless it is for a QB and it would have to be for a QB that they wouldn't have deemed worthy of the 4th overall selection. I just don't see that happening. The Bills would be moving a long way and while it works out well from the chart perspective I don't see that haul of picks as that appealing to the team. A 1st next year along with the 26th overall and another pick would be a different story. That 1st could really be worth something.
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I don't think Sherman was trying to be a good sport. I think the "good game" comment was meant as a backhanded insult. But that doesn't mean that I think it was a problem. Crabtree talked a lot of crap to Sherman. He asked for it and he got beat. Sherman will have to play against him twice a season for years to come so getting into his head is a smart thing to do. It's gamesman and probably personal. Good players and teams will beat you on a given play or day. Great ones will also take that opportunity on that day to beat you the next time you meet.
I don't even have an issue with what he said on TV. He was pumped up with emotion (and why wouldn't he be?), but his words weren't over the line. He called out Crabtree and some might take issue with that, but Crabtree has been just as vocal toward Sherman.
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I agree. There is a comedy to this.
We have basically one semi-decent coach in 20 years, and he's snapped up almost immediately by pretty much the only team worse than us.
It's a dark comedy.
LOL
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I agree with all of this. But I do think fans are more upset today than they were when Chud was fired. They held out hope that they had a great replacement in their back pocket if they are going to pull the trigger so fast on a guy and 2 cordinators who actually appeared to do a decent job. But they ended up with their 14th choice. No one knows how it will turn out. But their is a sick feeling in a lot of Browns fans stomach right now.
I think that is correct. Some also thought that new, big name coach would mean the neuter or removal of a namer and Lombardi.
I think I'd start with: "You will not fire me after 1 year, like you did with the last guy, after trading away his RB, and intentionally tanking the season with every subsequent FO move."
I'd also go with: "I get 1 year of worry-free coaching for every 2 draft picks you trade away." (This way, when they do whatever the hell they do to get Manziel, and follow the same ruinous course as the Redskins, Pettine is insured against the results of their stupidity.)
I think I'd also do: "I get 1 year of worry-free coaching for every year my defense is in the top 10, but my offense is in the bottom ten. If this happens 3 years in a row, then then Pettine gets the GM job, or gets to hire a new GM."
You have to do something about Cleveland's drafting. It's far worse than ours, especially since Buddy/Whaley arrived. If I was Pettine, I'd demand final say on every single draft pick for the first 2 years....or something like that.
We know Pettine, he will start yelling at those Cleveland FO people, and they will cower.
Head coaches in the NFL get fully guaranteed contracts. I've never known even one instance of non-guaranteed years. If they are removed early they still get paid. There are often offsets. That means that if a coach takes another job then that salary is deducted from what the original team owes him.
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Cleveland is a pathetic joke of a town and this moved is bush league and unprofessional.
That's an asinine comment. Cleveland is a good city with good people and not too different from Buffalo. Why attack them? That city and its fans have suffered enough at the hands of the succession of owners and front offices of the Browns.
The team is a different story. It has been a joke since '99. Virtually any Browns fan will tell you that. The current owner is a crook. The president (Banner) is in way over his head and the GM (Lombardi) has a horrific track record. They all deserve a lot of criticism and the team, the city and the league would be better off of they all exited. But what is bush league about hiring a good coordinator to be their head coach? It might or might not be the right move. The front office might very well prevent him from winning. It certainly sucks for Bills fans. But what is bush league about it?
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Because it's a promotion rather than a lateral move. Teams can block lateral moves for any of their coaches, but not promotions. Pettine will only take coaches with him who he is able and willing to promote.
As for why he took a job he "didn't intend to keep for atleast two years"...
You don't know what his intentions were when he came aboard. He obviously wanted the job when he took it, but what he considered to be an opportunity too good to pass up came along.
You don't want to deny a man what could be a once in a lifetime opportunity to follow his career arch goals.
Simply be thankful for his time here, wish him the best, and move on.
Actually I believe it is more restrictive than even that. IIRC coaches under contract are only allowed to leave for head coaching positions. Teams often won't stand in the way of positional coaches being hired away for higher level jobs, but they aren't required to allow it.
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Snap it 2 yards and then watch it get blocked - by your center's behind. Don't think that's gonna happen.
You misunderstood. I am talking about snapping longer than the normal 7 yard distance to get the extra point for the 50 yarder. If teams had kickers that were good enough or if the score was such that it made sense then teams would do it. Terrible idea.
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Mike Greenberg @Espngreeny 14m
Now THAT is funny. RT “@TonyGrossi: Adam Gase becomes frontrunner for #Browns HC vacancy in 2015.”
LOL
Looks like it will be Quinn or Pettine.
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I still think field goals kicked over 50 yards should be worth 4 points...just saying
I've heard other people talk about that. I absolutely hate that idea. Think about a team down by four late in the game. They would be trying to drive for a TD, but then if the clock was ticking down they would have to choose between going for the touchdown or intentionally losing yardage on a play to try for a four point FG. Similar choices if down by 3. What about a 48 yarder? Coaches would have their long snapper snap it 2 yards further so it would be a 50. It would be messy and really take away from the game IMO.
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LOL!
that…..and……Garappolo is Greek.
Actually that was my commentary on the Jets fans I know. I can see how that didn't come across. And 1965 is about right for them.
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The comment that seems utterly ridiculous is when Belecheat says it's one of the worst he's seen. Are you kidding me? Has he been watching football for the last 20 years? I wonder how he felt when Spikes clubbed Chandler in the side of the head in one of the dirtiest hits I've seen at The Raplh in a long time. He's such a hypocrite it's almost laughable. What a whiner and a sore loser.
How quickly Mr. belicheat forgets his boy Rodney Harrison.
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It does eliminate the option of setting up for an XP and faking it, but that seems too rare to make much of a difference. How about making teams all go for two? Or they could have a choice of going for one from the 1 or 2 yard line or two from the 5 or 10. Something like that.
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I thought I read he really wanted to stay .... I think they should pay him too.
Chris Brown @ChrisBrownBills 8m
Marrone on Pettine situation http://wp.me/plmrg-9yd
Bills defensive coordinator Mike Pettine remains in contention for the vacant Cleveland Browns head coaching vacancy after interviewing with the AFC North club last week. There are reports he will interview a second time with Cleveland. Bills head coach Doug Marrone commented on how the situation may impact his team if things work out for Pettine in Cleveland.
“Obviously Mike has done a great job even prior to coming to Buffalo and obviously did a great job for us this year,” Marrone told Buffalobills.com. “We’re in a profession where people are going to recognize that. We’re very happy for Mike.”
“Obviously he’s in a process that Cleveland controls right now. They’re getting ready to make decisions and we’re there to support Mike and help him and if it goes well and he has the opportunity to go then Doug (Whaley), myself and Russ (Brandon) have already met and we’re ready to do what we have to do for our organization.”
I think it was more a matter of Mack saying the correct things publicly. Privately I hear he is ready to move on. And why wouldn't he want to bail on that trainwreck?
I hear that Pettine really impressed in his interview. He wasn't expected to make it to the next round of interviews, but really shined and put himself squarely in the mix for the job. It would be a big loss for the Bills. Quinn did very well, too. Gase is still the wildcard. I can see him using the Browns to get a raise and set himself up for a better job in the next year or two. Or maybe he's pushing off interviews because of Manning. I can see Manning retiring if he wins it all this year or coming back to try again if not. Why not move on at the same time as Manning?
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Early hit? Yes.
Illegal pick? Certainly.
Willful attempt by a 185 pound WR to injure a 215 pound CB's knee by hitting him shoulder high? Ridiculous.
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Huge mistake not to sign Mack, if indeed they are going to draft a QB (not sure why they wouldn't). It is very important to have an experienced, strong Center with a young QB who can call the plays and help the QB identify blitzes. They would be better off keeping Mack who said he wants to be there and not Ward, if they indeed need to choose. It was an excellent move by the Bills to extend Wood (heh heh) for this reason.
I agree, but that's how it looks to be playing out. Mack doesn't look like he wants to stay in Cleveland and Banner doesn't look like he's going to shell out the cash to even make it interesting. It doesn't make sense to me either.
Ward looks more amenable to staying and it looks like he will be re-signed or tagged.
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I kinda want to see him drafted by the Jets for the sole purpose of having Smith (African), Sanchez (Hispanic) and Garoppolo (Italian) on the same team. The fighting by the Jets fans would be priceless. Three way race rioting wouldn't be far away.
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As a guy who's been getting paid to do "analytics" for quite some time, I believe I can answer your question.
So what's the difference between analytics and behavioral economics, especially concerning behavior? (Analytics, I would think, also includes non-behavioral analyses.) Because I love me some behavioral economics.
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always good when the owner takes hiring authority away from the general manager or CEO. seems functional. dont see why it would give anyone pause.
This confirms for me (if there was any doubt ) that haslam will be this teams undoing.
It tells me he doesn't trust Banner and Lombardi to pick a good coach/be able to convince a good coach to come to Cleveland. I've heard that Banner in particular turned a lot of candidates off both this time and last year. So my question is: Why didn't Haslam just clear him/them out, too?
Jim O'Neil hired as Browns DC
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Beerball
fixed thread title
Hearing O'Neil will be allowed to go to Browns as DC under condition that Browns do not go after any other coach still under contract with Bills. Released coaches obviously still fair game.