BarleyNY
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Yes, a different impression can certainly be formed. Especially with the statements immediately following Wood's:
Now exactly what is Downing's frame of reference to last year?
Look, the exact same pieces have been written since May's OTAs about how much EJ worked in the offseason with personal coaches, has stayed up all night dissecting film, put in extra training sessions, worked overtime to learn the game better. Yet, we go the guy who couldn't score a TD against first stringers in 5 preseason games.
If that isn't enough to doubt the prospects, I don't know what is.
We all realize that he's the guy the team is invested in, but we also shouldn't be blind to the fact that he's not quite ready yet.
I agree. We can hear teammates and coaches talk up EJ all preseason long and into the regular season, but it means nothing. What else are they going to say? What matters is how he performs. I'll get hopeful as soon as I see consistient quality play, not because his center says "Gosh! He works so hard!"
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Orton is definitely an upgrade to the backup QB spot - something I've ripped on the Bills' FO for not addressing prior to this move. He's not going to be starting anytime soon for two reasons:
1) The Bills need to find out what they've got in EJ. Regardless of opinions, estimated odds of success, whatever, they've got to play him and see if he shows something for the long term.
2). Orton just got here and wouldn't be ready anyway. He isn't the future here.
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I've heard of him!
Lmao. Awesome.
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Palmer didn't get used. That was a solid pickup at the time. They gave him a shot and he flopped. He got paid tho, lets not act like he was a victim in all of this
Of course. Hard to pity a guy who got paid a good amount of money to play football. But the NFL is a very dirty business.
I agree that the NFL is a tough - and often dirty - business. And I agree that Jordan Palmer knows that deal. But I'm not sure if he actually did get paid by the Bills. Players don't get paid for preseason games so he'd have only netted his signing bonus. Did anyone see where he got paid a signing bonus - and how much it was? I saw nada on that.
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The problem is lack of real competition. He has the job no matter what
No. The problem is a lack of a franchise QB. Are you hearing anyone with one of those complaining about a lack of competition at the QB spot? Didn't think so.
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Incompetence runs rampant at One Bills Drive. The glimmer of hope for Bills fans is that a new owner is imminent. Bills fans can hope for an owner who hires professionals. A serious top notch club CEO or president who hires an experienced GM with a winning track record. The new GM will hire a head coach with the same attributes. The current management is a joke. Russ Brandon has no football pedigree. He is largely an empty suit. Doug Whaley is inexperienced and hasn't proven he is a legit NFL GM. Doug Marrone looks like a high school coach. The coaching staff, with a couple exceptions, is way under-qualified. (i.e. offensive coordinator)
New owner = clean house = hope for the future!!!
Sadly, I agree with that assessment.
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A receiver needs a quarterback to get the ball to him.
Tell me, is there ANY QB situation bad enough to make you not like trading away the future for Watkins?
Seriously, if the Texan were sitting at #9 with Fitz, should they have made that deal?
I don't think Watkins was worth what the Bills gave up for him - and I like Watkins. I think he is going to be the kind of WR that can help any QB and particularly EJ (due to his ability to adjust to off-target throws and EJ's accuracy issues). But I don't make that trade from the Bills' side. If I'm Cleveland I'm all over it and consider it a coup. I think it was that lopsided.
Then there is the critical issue of burning a future first round pick when the current QB is so unsettled. Who does that? Desperate front office people do. People who won't be around to use that pick anyway. That's who takes that kind of risk. So all of the eggs are in the EJ basket because, hey what do they have to lose? It's too late for anything long term anyway. Might as well go for it.
It sucks for the fans, but the Bills aren't the only team that has gone through this sort of thing. It happens and if you look around you will see it elsewhere.
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there is no competition because they wouldn't even consider it in the offseason, another form of coddling EJ.
I agree. Not bringing in competition was willful negligence. As was burning the best chance to replace him in next year's draft by trading away our first round pick. That is one hell of a gamble.
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Miami was too warm for him. He played ok in Cleveland. He thrives in cooler weather.
He was terrible in Cleveland. He put on so much muscle that he couldn't throw passes. Weird. Miami just brought him in for a cup of coffee and decided he still sucks. So there's that.....
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or robin masters I never knew
Oh, you freaking know Robin Masters was Higgins' nome de plume. Had to be.
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The pick is a 4th rounder
Not a bad trade from either side. Curious why NE decided to move Mankins though. I can't believe it was strictly salary.
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Logan Mankins Sent to Bucs for TE Tim wright and a draft pick
Would have to assume its a high pick
Billy sure does like his TEs. I suspect a mid-round pick at most, probably a late one.
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Who did you want? And which guy had a higher qb rating than Thad had last year (81)?
If you want to blame anyone, blame Thad for regressing. He looked to be about as solid as a backup as there was on the market.
Personally I thought they should have drafted a developmental QB in the middle rounds. I mentioned Logan Thomas as a possibility pre-draft. He could have been had in the 4th I believe. There were obviously others to consider. While I don't know that he could help much this season I take the long term view here. Keep addressing QB until you're sure you're set.
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I know. I was hoping for the golden bear.
OMG. Wait until you see what that man does with non-alcoholic drinks. He's amazing.
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is Freeman really that bad? everyone was fighting for him last year. then the Vikings threw him out there 1 week after picking him up. I doubt he knew the offense very well at that point. i'm surprised everyone has given up on him already. he HAS to be better than jeff tuel
I have heard rumors that he's had issues with substance abuse - alcohol and drugs (not pot). He'd certainly be worth looking at if his life is in order and it was expected to stay that way.
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It has to start at the top........but a bona fide franchise QB wouldn't hurt much either.
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1. QB
2. OL
3. Run defense
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Just because the jury is still out on both doesn't mean they are in the same situation. They aren't.
Who said they were?
I think you did. In these posts, for two examples:
No argument with what you posted. IMO, you can't argue for Manziel on one hand and against Manuel on the other without bias.
9 1/2 games of real NFL experience vs no games of real NFL experience. Bottom line is two inexperienced QBs who need further development. It's not that different and the jury is out on both of them.
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True. If it wasn't for the mega deal he had strapped around his team's neck, Bradford would've been cut years ago. The same could be said for Stafford too. Ironically, though, they are better than anything the Bills have had for years.
Here is my issue with that - specifically with the Rams' actions. The Rams could have gotten out of that deal before last season due to its structure as the guaranteed money finished in 2013. He could have been traded (not released) before that season and while the dead money would have been substantial, the cap hit from a trade would have been positive overall. Before this season he'd have been much easier to trade or release and I could see them wanting to wait for that. The numbers would have been much better.
His contract runs out in 2015 and trading him after this season would pose no issue on their end. Except that they don't have anyone to take his place. And that's my big issue with the Rams. Flush with so many additional high picks (thanks Washington!) they failed address the QB position. They did not draft or otherwise acquire a QB to mitigate the risk of sticking solely with the oft-injured Bradford.
Now here they are again. Bradford is injured (again) and Shaun Hill is their best option. They made their bed.
Bradford current contract info: http://overthecap.com/player/sam-bradford/1349
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9 1/2 games of real NFL experience vs no games of real NFL experience. Bottom line is two inexperienced QBs who need further development. It's not that different and the jury is out on both of them.
Just because the jury is still out on both doesn't mean they are in the same situation. They aren't.
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No argument with what you posted. IMO, you can't argue for Manziel on one hand and against Manuel on the other without bias.
Why is that? I'm not saying I'm arguing for either, but EJ is in his second season and JFF is just starting his first. I think it's a lot different. And don't play the injury excuse card.
The thing is, you ddidn't have to put all your eggs in the EJ basket. Again, Tampa signing McCown shows that. I'm not an EJ hater -- in fact, I think he had an o.k. but injury-riddled rookie season. But he's not the mobile running QB they thought they drafted, and from what I've seen that means he's not an NFL starter. No shame in conceding that it didn't work out and drafting or signing someone else. That will be the reason Marrone and Hackett (and Whaley too?) get fired.
I argued the same thing. Now way would I have put all of my eggs into the EJ basket for this season - and I sure as hell wouldn't have added next season's first round eggs to it. That's negligent.
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I wonder how much is Hackett and how much is him being handcuffed by Manuel.
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I appreciate his groups incompetence in mucking up the deal.
This
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Nothing is set in stone, but it clearly looks like the Toronto group is against the ropes. How about we actually give a little gratitude to Bon Jovi for a change?
We will never know his true intentions; maybe he desperately wanted the team in Toronto, or maybe he had no intentions of moving them and just wanted to own a team. But Bon Jovi - deservedly or not - became a rallying cry for Bills fans across the world. If he hadn't partnered up with the Toronto group, who knows, maybe they would've flown under the radar. I honestly think his inovlement in the process unexpectedly became a catylst for the team staying here.
WTF? Seriously, WTF? His intentions were pretty clear. In fact, they were uncovered by Bills fans when his partner was found to be researching moving the team to Toronto. F Bon Jovi. His music sucks and his lies suck.
The offense is bad. Not Ej.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I'm confused. Which part of the offense makes EJ throw inaccurate passes and shy away from downfield throws?
Also let's keep in mind that it might not be an either/or situation here with regards to the EJ versus Offense thing.