BarleyNY
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Rex is a good head coach. The media aspect is meaningless where wins and losses are concerned. This is a good move IMO. I just figured he'd wind up in Atlanta as I didn't think he'd come to Buffalo. Guess I was wrong on that.
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Marrone was just denied an extension by the Pegulas and chose to walk away. Does anyone think he spoke well of them or the organization behind closed doors? How about the GM he had a horrible relationship with? Polian knew he'd be hearing a lot of negatives from Marrone when he talked to him. There might have been some specifics that concerned him, but I have trouble understanding what new information he could have gleaned. Marrone hasn't worked with the Pegulas long and any negatives about them have to be taken with a grain of salt. He'd be replacing the GM and would be in position to hire and fire those below him as he saw fit. Maybe he told him the scouting department and coaching staffs would be total tear downs and rebuilds, but that's not to be unexpected either. I am really not sure what Marrone could have said that would have dissuaded Polian if his heart was in it.
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It doesn't make sense to me either, but there are a number of national press sources out there right now saying that Marrone was absolutely going to get a lucrative extension. I smell a fish.
His agent at work again, if this were true he would have signed extension.This is such BS reporting and in two years this loser will be out of the league.
Agreed. This rumor is the work of Marrone's agent. the reality of the situation is this: Marrone asked for an extension for himself and his staff. He was denied on all counts so he opted out of his contract. Some will reason that he was justified because of the lack of commitment by the new ownership. I disagree. He didn't get the extension because he didn't prove himself worthy of it and that's on him. If he'd have earned it, he'd have gotten it. He was just lucky that he was in a position to get $4M to walk away.
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That was..........beautiful.
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I want proven assistant coaches coordinators not necessarily HC, I'll be fine with Derell Bevel as head coach. I think he did a fine job with Russ and maybe he can get Ej going.
Getting proven coordinators to come to Buffalo is definitely reasonable and attainable. I wouldn't count on anyone getting EJ going anywhere, but out of town.
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A top 3 Head Coach will have no problem finding a great staff
If the Bills choose a "Bright Young Assistant" we will be lucky to find anyone.
The Bills have to much talent to gamble on unproven assistant coaches
A franchise QB. Without one it won't matter.
This explains the issue. You want a proven top HC? Then you'd better have a franchise QB already in place because that is a must-have for such coaches. They can be incredibly selective so - if they are still interested in championships and not just a payday - why would they bother with a team that is still looking for their QB? They wouldn't.
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Not a Marrone fan but can't blame him 1 bit for that clause. There were ownership questions and he was prudent. Can't blame the FO for granting either.
Now what does seem weird is that he was playing it off against Cleveland's "stable" ownership. Wasn't that guy about to go to jail? Maybe Cleveland also gave him a clause and Buffalo simply matched it.
Marrone was never a contender to become Cleveland's HC, but he certainly may have used them as leverage. As for Haslam, the investigation concerning PFJ stealing from their customers is ongoing. The deal that was cut was only to protect the company, not individuals. As of now the Feds have worked their way up the company ladder to Haslam's direct report, President Mark Hazelwood, who recieved a target letter a few months ago.
The opt out clause when ownership changes is standard practice, I believe, so that's just part of the game. No hard feelings about its existence here. Marrone reminds me of a slew of other opportunistic coaches out there, though. Rich Rodriguez, Butch Davis, etc. Huge egos and zero loyalty to anything except the almighty dollar. They tell people What they want to hear and say a lot of the right things, but they lie and are happy to bounce around to the biggest check they can find. Then they bail the minute there is another dollar to be had. F Marrone, but the Bills should be better off without him.
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People should really be angry at whoever negotiated Marrone's contract. The opt out provision all but guaranteed that Marrone would opt out (taking an extra, unearned year's pay with him) if he performed well. The only way he would not opt out is if he sucked so badly that he was likely to get fired anyway. Given the high likelihood of an ownership change, it is criminal misfeasance to have included such a provision. And why the hell should Marrone get to opt out due to an ownership change anyway? Was he so wedded to WNY? Did he have a close relationship with Ralph? Doubtful on both counts. Almost looks like an inside job, to me.
I've seen many others post similar thoughts on the contract, but I've seen the same clause executed before (Browns). In fact, I think the Browns GM and President got the remainder of their contracts paid out, not just one year. It would make sense that it is standard practice and I can understand legitimate reasons coaches and GMs would want it. New owners often want their own people running the show and coaches don't to wind up in limbo or working for someone they'd otherwise not want to work for. From the owner's perspective, why would they really care if such a clause existed? They won't be around if it is ever executed anyway. That's the reason for the existence of the clause, not an excuse for Marrone executing it. F him for that.
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I I understand Orton's voidable contract clause - he is guaranteed $5.4M next season if he does not void his contract. That would be guaranteed whether or not he's waived. Please correct me if that's wrong. So that means he's on the team next season at that rate. There's no way the Bills pay him that and not have him on the team. Starter, backup, whatever. He's on the team. He's also the best QB on the team. Sorry. It sucks, but he is. EJ shouldn't even be on the roster next season. He is that terrible. The Bills need to be looking for better in the offseason, but barring a better QB being obtained in FA or a trade Orton is starting next season. No one the Bills could get in the draft could be expected to start early in the season.
So exactly what's the point of not starting Orton next weekend? I'd expect something less than maximum effort from the team anyway. While I am not implying that the team will phone it in there is no way we are going to see an optimal performance after this letdown. So why bench the guy that's going to be starting for you next year?
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Find a better source then.
I told you where it was. Try Google. I bet you can even do it yourself!
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a bunch of low level contract will DRAMATICALLY effect it. to even qualify to look at the dollars and get a pick, you need to lose more bodies than you sign. a special teamer could cancel out hughes.
as weve never prioritized it like some teams do in roster composition. The ravens, for instance, often talk about targeting signings that were cut from their previous teams as they do not count as a body in. Id also guess similarly in august, all things equal they may keep an expiring contract around to become a qualified loss (again, if two guys are pretty well the same quality otherwise)
It is not a super secret formula.
If team B loses 3 all pros to 100 million contracts each, then signs 4 scrubs for league minimum they receive ZERO compensatory picks.
The Bills are going to sign a bunch of scrubs and will not get a compensatory pick for Hughes.
Incorrect. Players making league minimum do not factor into the equation. I tried to post a link to an article, but no Bleacher Report articles are allowed to be linked here. Also I doubt that the Bills are in real danger of signing more non-minimum FA players than they lose.
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The Bills are going to do what they have been doing. Bring in volume free agents and 1st round wash outs and see if they hit on any.
They will sign more than they lose and there will be no compensatory pick.
We're not getting a pick for Hughes.
It's not gonna happen.
It's a super secret formula and all, but if the Bills lose Hughes they almost certainly will be getting a comp pick. He's going to get big dollars and a bunch of low-level contracts are not going to impact that. Barring a big signing the Bills would wind up with a 3rd or 4th round pick. Personally I would franchise the man before I let him leave. If it got nasty with him, then I'd trade him as a last resort (and get more than his comp pick value without having to worry about any offsets). And yes I know that the league frowns on franchising a player only to trade them, but that would not be my intent when I did it. I'd be looking to lock him up long-term.
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I'd include Searcy, Hairston, and Wynn in the re-signings, so that makes 3 of the 6 roster spaces remaining. That leaves 3 for UFAs from other teams.
Also, think about extensions for Dareus, Glenn, and Gilmore when it comes to the additional cap room.
I'd expect some of turnover of end-of-the-bench players as well. Certainly manageable.
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Nice choice of a "highlight" in preseason. An actual NFL safety picks that horribly underthrown pass off. The UPS driver in coverage on the clip, not so much.
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so on top of the $36 mil you show, i'm cutting the following players (cap / dead money/ savings) for another $20 mil freed up.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2015/
kyle Orton ($7.0/1.5/5.5)
mike Williams ($6.8/0/6.8)
cj spiller (4.3/2.2/2.1) he opts out
urbik (3.7/1.4/2.3)
Lawson (3.1/1.5/1.6)
Rivers (2.2/0.5/1.7)
TOTAL (27.1 cap/7.1 dead / 20.0 savings)
Ah, that explains it. Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for the assertion you made a mistake. Let's go from this. That leaves 40 on the active roster before re-signings, free agency and the draft. The Bills have six picks of which one or two might be PS players, plus an UDFA or two might make the team. Let's say they get 6 to the active roster from both for a total of 46. That leaves 6 re-signings and free agents, which is reasonable. But other than re-signing Hughes I doubt that there will be many places to throw around big money. As I noted in an earlier post, such a huge increase in cap room will allow teams to keep their players. There will be some serious overspending on even mid-tier talent in free agency.
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All I've said is that he's a top 20 WR in the NFL today, right this very moment, despite your claim he might one day get there. Actually, you said you believed he'd never be a top 10 WR at any point in his career. Which is absurd on many levels, but to test it I offered up the idea that if there was a redraft in the NFL tomorrow at just the WR position, Sammy would be taken in the top 20.
I gave you the list of 7 I'd draft ahead of Watkins today, based on pure talent and production -- future and present:
Johnson, Jones, Bryant, Green, Brown, Nelson, Thomas
I also said there are probably a few I'm forgetting (like Gordon for example). But even if there are five or six guys I'm overlooking, there's still no way I can reach twenty names before I don't write down Sammy. And I don't think you could either if you did this objectively. Try it, I've asked you to do so now twice. If you are so convinced you're right, let's see your list. I'm genuinely curious.
I promise you there isn't a single GM in the league today that wouldn't have Sammy in their top 20 -- if not top 15 -- based on his skill set. That's not something you often say about a rookie, but in Sammy's case it's true.
That isn't to disparage this class of WRs either. I know the folks who are anti-Whaley want to hate on the trade (and it's their right to have that opinion) because this class is so deep. They're right in that sense (though wrong in the big picture because Ebron was the pick). This WR class is loaded with talent, there might be one or two names besides Sammy on the top 20 list even. I like Evans. I love ODB. I really like Benjamin... sorta. But I'd still take Sammy over any one of them without hesitation if given the choice.
Your eyes deceive you, or you haven't seen him play in person. Because if you have seen him play in person you wouldn't be saying such things.
You're making a prediction about the future performance of the guy by holding up 13 games worth of stats... without contextualizing them at all. That's a clown argument, brother. Sammy played the first half of the season with a fractured rib and the second half with a bum wheel. He's played the whole season with two sub-par QBs throwing him the ball while facing the opposing team's best cover man AND safety help nearly every snap.
And despite that, he's still won us three games and is in the process of shattering every meaningful rookie WR record in this franchise's history.
I honestly don't have time to educate you on logic or looking at things with an unbiased eye, so I am going to make this brief.
Right now we don't have much of the disparity in how we view Watkins' play as it stands now. You have him as top 20 and I have him as a top 25 WR. The disparity seems to be strictly and how we view him developing. I think he'll improve and you think he will improve dramatically. The problem is you've done nothing but make excuses for him not having performed better while cutting down other WRs. That shows your bias. Every wide receiver we could talk about has excuses. And on the off chance that you watch as much football as you say, then it's too bad you don't know what you're seeing. Everything seems to be telling you what you already thought you knew - Sammy Watkins is going to be super awesome! Writing stupid things like "Sammy is shattering every meaningful rookie WR record!" but failed to mention that he's not even first on the list of rookie WRs this year in most of those stats. That really doesn't help your credibility.
And I like Sammy. I think he's going to be very good. Saying that the guys going to be a top 20 wide receiver is generally thought it was a pretty good complement. You also misrepresented one of my comments about preferring other wide receivers to Sammy. My comment was that I would have rather had one of the other receivers plus our first and fourth round picks rather than Sammy. Are you honestly telling me that you'd rather have Sammy Watkins than one of the other top receivers in this class plus our picks? Now, that really shows bias.
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I'd be interested in seeing the math that gets them to $60M with a $140M salary cap.
I suspect the $60M in cap space double counts the carryover, which is a little under $19M. I'm seeing spending of a little less than $123M. So, using round numbers, a cap of $140M results in an adjusted cap of $159M. Take away spending of $123M and they'd have $36M to spend before any cuts or contract adjustments.
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The issue with a rapidly rising salary cap is that it going to benefit most the teams that are already built for contention. Those teams are going to be able to afford to re-sign all of the players that they want to re-sign. Teams that are looking to improve are going to be sitting with a bunch of cap room and stuck with a relatively poor free-agent class. If the salary cap really does jump to around $140 million next season I don't necessarily think it's a good thing for the Bills overall, although it would allow them to retain Hughes, which would be great for the defense.
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Mike Polk and Jerrod Cherry on the situation (D-bags United for Johnny):
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Must be a lot like hitting a couple beautiful drives and knocking down a 35 foot putt on your way to a round of 117.
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Reading is fundamental. I did say there were probably a few who would go ahead of him of the 7 I already said and never said he's a top 10 guy now. I promise you I watch plenty of football and have seen every Tampa game this year. Evans is not better than Watkins. He's the #2 WR on his team, plays for in the semi-pro NFC South and routinely sees one on one coverage that Sammy does not. Benjamin, also plays in the terrible NFC South has less field awareness than any of the other top WRs in the class and the worst hands. He runs awful routes and is completely raw. Beckham has half a season, playing with a HOF QB and has been great. Let's see what happens when defenses start rolling coverages the way they do with Sammy.
That said, you're the one who said Sammy MIGHT be a top 20 WR some day and you've yet to show me your list. There's no way he'd go 20th in a redraft at the position. So if you want to come at me, go for it, but bring something to the table.
Reading IS fundamental. I'm still waiting on your rationale for why you have Watkins so highly rated. My eyes tell me he's in that 20-25 range right now (with some room to grow) and, low and behold, that's where his production is. You think he's much, much better than that so I'd love to hear why.
If you really did watch all of the Tampa games you might have noticed that Evans has outperformed Sammy as well as his teammate Vincent Jackson (who incidentally also has better numbers than Watkins) despite having a terrible running game and the likes of Josh McCown and Mike Glennon playing QB. Please quit making things up.
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You're analysis fails because you're basing it on stats from 13 games -- during which he's been injured and playing with two sub par QBs. If there was a redraft in the NFL just for the WR position you're telling me there'd be 20 WRs taken before Sammy Watkins? Not a chance.
Megatron, Jones, Bryant, Nelson, Brown, Thomas, Green -- all go before Sammy. After those seven I'm not sure there are 13 other WRs in the league that would go before him though I'm sure there are a handful who would.
Wow. You think Sammy Watkins is the 7th best WR in the league. Just WOW. You should get out more. Maybe watch some other teams (even if they aren't playing the Bills). Or at least take the Dark Navy glasses off to watch. For instance, while Kyle Orton isn't better than average at QB (and is probably a tad below) he's still better than a lot of other QBs out there. Lots of WRs play with injuries (some more than others), crappy QBs, one dimensional offenses, etc. Don't make excuses just for your boy, Sammy.
Watkins is not even the best WR in his class - Evans looks to be that. Exactly how has he distanced himself from others in that class like Beckham Jr. or Benjamin? He hasn't. Do tell me why he's so great - besides wearing the right uniform.
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You should stop there. Sammy's already a top 20 WR in the league. Name 19 WRs better. GO
We can start with a very imperfect list of receiving yards and work from there:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards
After removing the two TEs above him Watkins would sit at 23rd, about where I think he should be. Now I admit that some of the players above him on the list I might not rate as better than him. But for every one of those I can find one below him that I'd rate as better.
Now the ball is in your court. Use that list and tell me who with more receiving yards you would rate below Sammy. Then I'll give you a list of everybody I would move above him.
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He's a 7 who could top out at 8. I see him as a potential top 20 WR in the league, but probably never a top 10. Right now he's comfortably in the top 32, probably in the 20-25 range. His injury concerns are something he will have to overcome. He is just a rookie and this is the first time he's been through an NFL season so maybe training and physical maturity can help there. While I can see how the Bills were so enamored with him I still say they gave up too much - especially for a team that was (and is) unsettled at quarterback. The Bills could have had Odell Beckham Jr. or Kelvin Benjamin at 9 and kept their picks. They also could have had Evans, who is looking better than Watkins at 4 or in a lesser trade up. But I expect Watkins to be a very good player in this league for a long time. A team can do a lot worse than that when they move up in the draft.
Did Doug Marrone fall off the face of the earth?!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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But, but, but, wasn't he super close to getting hired by somebody? Just like when the Browns were rumored to be on the verge of offering him the HC job in Cleveland and the Bills rushed to hire him. It was BS then and it was BS a week ago. This guy is a .500 coach who thinks of himself (and portrays himself) as an elite HC.