klos63
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how cleverI see that you're new to TSW, and from your post above I am certain you are new to watching professional football. Welcome aboard & enjoy the action! LOL
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Sorry to have offended you. But very simply, we have a strong running game and a weak passing game. The weak passing game is because we lack the talent at QB and we lack the talent at WR, both positions look like they can improve but until then, running the ball is what we need to do. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm not so sure we have been very sucessful on deep passes. I don't agree with you that because we've converted some third and longs that our passing game is capable of more. If it was, we would have a higher success rate on 3rd down, which right now is pretty low. We almost always throw on third and long, so the proof is in the stats on third down conversions. We are not there yet. We need to avoid those situations and we do that by running the ball often , on first and second down and by doing it well.I'm not talking about tricking the defense, I'm talking about sustaining longer drives and utilizing the wr talent we have. If a D knows the run is coming, clearly they can stack the box and limit the ability to get anything more than 4 or 5 yards at best. We are still succeeding despite this because freddy is one of the smartest running backs I've ever seen, but imho it's asking too much to rely on this to bring you all the way down the field. We've seen stevie, chandler, and woods bail us out on third and longs several times this year; if it works when the D knows we're going to pass and we can still do it, isn't that a sign of what the passing game is capable of? And the very few times they've gone deep they have been successful. BTW, just because you have a different opinion from mine, it doesn't mean that either one of us is an idiot, so try showing some respect. People are generally pretty cool on this forum, you don't have to be a sarcastic turd in the swimming pool that is TSW
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yes, Spiller is more likely to get the ball when he is in the game. That's your criticism??? We have a strong running game, we are going to run the ball. We will run the ball up the middle because Fred Jackson is really good at it.I don't like to focus on playcalling, but predictability is a concern. The last few games when Spiller is on the field, which is only 20-30 plays, he's getting touches about 70% of those. Manuel's read options were handoffs nearly every time. The runs in the middle are noticeable for us.
Marrone has proven already that he's a very conservative coach and his 'analytic' talk was BS which Brandon probably forced him to do.
The 20+ points every game point is silly. Most of the credit for that goes to Pettine's defense causing turnovers, along with the remarkable consistency of scoring 20-24 every single game. This is an average offense at best with Manuel or Lewis.
Marrone/Hackett get a pass for now because talent is lacking, but I'm definitely questioning their acumen so far.
I don't get this criticism.
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There are basically 2 options each time you snap the ball- run or pass. I'm impressed you can predict a running play. Add to that we are a strong running team I would expect us to run more often and be predictable. If you watch professional football closely you might realize game plans are not about tricking the other team, but about executing your strengths. Since we have 2 excellent running backs and we are weak at QB and WR should we be a passing team in order to trick the other team?Throughout various threads I have noticed that a lot of you share my opinion in regards to nate hackett: he is often terrible and terribly predictable. I've lost count of the number of times I absolutely KNEW they were going to run the ball (The jets game being the worst example). Constantly doing this on first downs, and often consecutively on the second downs, gets them to 3rd and long which is always a challenge for the offense, as the D knows a pass is coming. Compound this with the hurry up offense, which in my opinion is giving them very little if any advantage, and the D is back on the field before they can find a seat on the bench.
Now, I've read the same defense for Hackett all over the place: "Well the bills are scoring 20+ in all the games with a backup qb and injured running backs!"
While this is true, to me those facts don't reflect the play calling as much as it does the team's effort, confidence, and resilience, which I would attribute to Marrone, the ultimate leader of the team. I think they could be putting even more points on the board if they stretched the field more often (why else do we have two track star wideouts?) and pass more on first down just keep the defense honest. The defense is doing a hell of a job considering what they got on the field, but how much better would they be if the offense increased their time of possesion (T.O.P. -17m vs Bengals, -6m vs Browns, -8.5m vs Jets).
Granted, the offensive play calling looked a little better last Sunday and it seemed like a sluggish o line and inconsistent passing was the biggest cause of the somewhat anemic offense. But make no mistake: when I can constantly predict the calls from my couch, play calling is a legitimate concern
Your criticism makes no sense.
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and a couple of pretty banged up running backs. Perhaps he should get some credit for keeping things together with all the offense has gone through with the injuries.Plus he started with a rookie at the QB position and now has a QB who is starting 12 days after being taken off the practice squad. Hackett is doing a fine job given the tools he has to work with.
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technically and statistically---....technically yes----but coverage is coverage and we proved how good we are out there on that kick
thanks, so everyone is just going nuts because they don't no any better.Just heard Marrone say that Carpenter misshit the ball on the last KO. It was not kicked in the field of play by design.
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you don't know, you are just guessing.Disagree. These days, a goaline kick is planned.
have we heard from Marrone if this was a called play or not? Or is everyone just going nuts for no reason yet?A kick to the goal line in that situation should ABSOLUTELY be considered a bad play and a horrible call in that situation. You don't leave any window open for a big return - if any team knows that the hard way it's the Bills - they're still talking about that run back in Nashville. You do the safe and sure thing - you kick it out of the back of the end zone and make them earn the yards, with no timeouts, to make the field goal - you don't give them ANY chance of getting anything on the return. Any play besides kicking it out of the end zone is reckless, asinine and should be grounds for having to find another job - period.
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it was poor coverage - a kick to the goal line shouldn't be considered a bad play. It was just poor coverage, probably one of the first bad ones of the year on kickoffs. It wasn't a horrible call, just horrible execution.
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Lewis may have something going for him over Manuel in that he has been around NFL teams for a few years, but the issue is that it doesn't take more than one or two misreads and you may have a pick 6 or otherwise critical turnover and game over. Johnson goes in, Lewis throws out .... INT and 6 points for my Bengals Fantasy DST
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bottom quarter of the league. We have one established WR in Johnson and one good looking rookie. Other than that, squat.
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Did I suggest we trade one of them? And between TJ Graham, Goodwin when he gets back, and possibly Hogan or Easley, I would think we could develop a "quality WR3" with no problem over the next couple seasons
If you didn't suggest trading Stevie, my mistake. I assumed since the title of this thread was about trading him....
but to assume that some of our WR may develop over the next couple seasons and call that depth would be very wrong. Depth would be players that can contribute now, if they can't contribute now , it's called taking up a roster spot.
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By "great" I mean one of the better aspects of our team. Our RBs can never seem to play through a whole game without injuries, our secondary has been dismembered by mediocre QBs, and I'm sure we could nit pick and find many other flaws. What Im saying is we don't need to be trading away Stevie when our relatively consistent WR play has helped EJ come a long way.
As far as I'm concerned, with Stevie on one side, Woods on the other, and Spiller (should be) running flats, I don't know how that is considered weak. A safety who doesn't want to be on the team and injuries keeping holes in the CB position tell me that our secondary is "weak".
You only mention 2 WR and you suggest we trade one of them. Spiller is a RB, even if he runs some pass patterns. We don't have a quality 3rd 4th or 5th WR, that is weak.
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Let me preface the following by saying I think Steve Johnson is a good #2 slot receiver option and will be for the next 3-5 years. Steve Johnson appears to be near the height of his athletic and professional ability. At 27 it appears we have seen the ceiling of Johnson's statistical ability, and that is around 70 catches for 1,000 yards and 6 touchdowns per season. While these numbers don't jump off the stat sheet they are good starting WR in the NFL numbers.
Atlanta has been devastated at the WR position with injuries to Julio Jones & Roddy White. Atlanta coerced Tony Gonzalez out of retirement for one last swan song. With the hope that they could do for him what Pittsburgh did for Jerome Bettis in 2005, culminating in a Super Bowl victory.
Now the question must be asked. If you were Doug Whaley would you at least entertain trading your star WR to Atlanta? The argument can be made that 2013 was always about setting up the Bills for years to come. While Steve Johnson will only be 28 in 2014, it appears that there is depth at the WR position for Buffalo.
I understand this would be an unpopular choice among the fan base, as #13 jerseys proliferate any Sunday Bills gathering. This decision would be likened to "tanking" the season a la Cleveland trading their best player Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for a 1st round pick in 2014.
One could argue the merits of tanking a season given the results of recent #1 overall draft picks. Additionally I understand that Jairus Byrd is the player most Bills fans want to trade. Steve Johnson chose to stay in Buffalo for a fair value. Johnson has embraced Buffalo, and in turn we have been willing to forgive him for his occasional drops, and antics.
What say you?
My first reaction would be to question why you think we have depth at the WR position. I think it is one of our weakest areas.
Will Pettine be a Buffalo Bill next season?
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I'm not so sure there will be many opportunities this coming year. If you look around the league I don't think there will be as many coaching changes as in the past. I would say likely changes in Tampa, Minnesota and Houston, other than that more firings would probably be a surprise.