Dan

One big difference between the Mannings, Favres, Brees, et al. and Leaf, Mire, and others (including Losman) - The first set was given time to develop; the second group was not. IMO, the most important thing for a young QB is for him to get on the field and be the starter, with no one in the wings, and a season or 2 to develop. Very few, very few QBs have ever looked good when they were on a team that was inconsisten, then they're given 1 or 2 starts before the #2 guys starts. Pulling a young QB in and out of the is the worst thing a coach can ever do. Not only does it shoot his confidence, but it also shoots the teams confidence in him. Consequently, give Losman a full year or 2 as starter with no looking over his shoulder and then (and only then) will you know if he's an NFL starting QB. To the idiots that say he's never shown anything to prove he's an NFL caliber QB... well, I can only assume you've never actually watched a game of football. Because those statements are completely moronic. Drafting another rookie QB would still mean a minimum of 2-3 years watching him develop before we knew we had a "stud" QB. So, now you want to start the search all over again? Although I suspect if we would have drafted Cutler (for ex) you'd already be screaming for his replacement, because he'd be playing pretty bad with only 3 starts as well. When does it end? Because we'll never find a QB that plays 100% perfect all the time. You actually mean to suggest that great QB's never took a safety or made a bad play? Is Favre is so great that he's never made a bad throw, gotten intercepted, or ever done anything that could possible be construed as a bad play? Let me guess, all those interceptions are receivers running bad routes. Please. Bottomline, Losman has shown that he can play. All he needs is a little time to develop. Only then will we know if he can truly succeed or not.

As much as like Whitner and think it was a far better pick than anyone imagined, Mangold wouldn't have been a bad pick either, IMO. I agree he may not be contributing much this year, but a good center for the future would be nice. Stiill, no sense crying over spilt milk. What's done was done and now all we should do is move forward and be thankful for what we have. And what we have is the NFL Rookie of the Month. I'd say that's pretty darn good!

I thought it was a small town in southern California (kinda east of LA).

Regardless of all his INTs and all, and the fact thatyou don't want to hear his name called; you still expect him to tackle the ball carrier when they run right by him! It's almost as though he's afraid to get hit.

Exactly. Last year a different QB throws a pass short of the first time. This year, JP makes the score happen. They really don't show the receivers working down field on TV, but my guess is they were doing sh--. Because on quite a few drop backs JP actually had time and scrambled around only to find nothing. Absolutely nothing. On that play, JP look determined to get the score and the spike and walk off the field looked like a guy frustrated that no one could get open, yet determined to get a score. Excellent play. And again, more progress for our young team and QB.

Peyton scored for the Colts on nearly the exact play. First we want Losman to be more mobile, then we want him to throw more, then we want him to hand it off to Willis, no Willis sucks - give it to AT, pound it out, but don't be predictable, JP needs to throw it away, JP needs to make plays, yada yada yada.... when does it all end?

You're right there. And if he does keep playing like this, I'll pitch in to pay for his moving expenses.

Exactly. That sums the game up perfectly.

I saw it and thought the same thing. Why did he run directly into the blocker?

He's done nothing, IMO. Perhaps no big catches against him, but they're really not throwing to his side either. But, he's definitely sucking it up in run support and tackling in general. Plus where's the self-proclaimed playmaker on all these short passes? He's backing up so no one beats him long. Meanwhile, the receiver catches it shorts and moves the chains. If he keeps this play up all season, he'll definitely be a Bill next year; because no one will pay big money him.

He needs to tell them to play up on the receivers. Why all this 10 yards off the ball crap when you know they're game plan was to throw short?

JP had a good game, far better than I would have thought. The biggest problem is he can't be perfect and with this team and these fans, apparently he has to be perfect. Bad pocket presense, as asserted by some fans, implies that he had a pocket to work in. Bottom line with this game. When the Jets wanted it, their lines got it. Whether pressure on JP or the first down run, they got it. And conversely our lines couldn't do anything when needed.

That's exactly how I see the Bills Defense. Good, EXCEPT when the need to be. Final drive of the half... Jets score. Mid 4th quarter... jets nice drive and score. The Pats did it in Week 1 and now the Jets do it - get the drive when its most important.

In my opinion JP played a great game. By far, his best! By far. We lst the game for 1 reason: Absolutely no pass rush!

Everyone wanted JP to air it out and take advantage of the Jets secodary. Well, they got their wish. JP has a great game, statistically - along with a few mistakes and the loss.

How can we have all these fast receivers and none of them ever be open?

How we can completely dominate and go into half time down by 4 is incredible!

I'm not saying getting 3 yds is bad. And if it was a QB sneak where the ball was hiked to Chad and he ran (more like a QB draw), then that wouldn't even be an issue. But from what I saw (and granted I could have seen it wrong), it was a short yardage QB sneak. Ya know with where the QB just dives into the center/gap and gets the yard needed for first down. The reason that was horrible, as I saw it, was the play is designed to get a yard or 2; and in no way will ever gain more than a few yards. Why not call a conventional run or something? Even if its designed to only get a few yards, the running back might break it and get much more.

First, I'm not nearly as impressed with the Jets as I was. It looks like the classic scenario of a good team running up the score early on a bad team. Good team then takes it easy and Bad team gets a few breaks and starts to comeback. Once the score gets to within a touchdown, the Good team turns it back on and shuts them down. I actually feel much better about tomorrow's game. I've been wondering why everyone has been posting that we'll blow the Jets out - now I know. I still don't think that'll happen; this is one of those divisional games that both teams always seem to play tough. So, I'd be surprised if anyone gets blown out. 2nd Observation: What was up with the QB sneak on 1st down when the Jets were driving in the 4th quarter? They were down 24-14, had the ball on about the Pats 18, first down; and what do they do? QB sneak, now its 2-7. Two plays later they kick the field goal. Did I miss something on the replay? Because that play call has got to be about the worst call in the history of history.

Yep.

I completely agree. I think Marv and Co. have done an excellent job (or so it seems a few weeks into the season) at keeping players/personnel that still have something to offer the organization. And they've retained and released people in decent and "high character" way. I've thoguht all along that the biggest change needed at OBD was in upper management and consequently the atmosphere within the organization. The hiring of Marv (and his subsequent staff), the attitude he brings, and the way that he deals with staff will do far more to change the losing atmosphere surrounding the Bills than any player signing or firing.

Also, could not putting him on IR and paying him the way we are be a clever way to garner loyalty from TV; hence he readily stays and helps tutor the young players. Furthermore, by treating someone as well respected as TV like this, it seems the Bills are telling other players/free agents that Buffalo is a great team and organization to be around. Again, a clear way to garner loyalty from existing players and entice would be free agents in the future. I, for one, have no problem with paying TV a few million this year. Heck, we have plenty of salary money to spare. Plus if it gets us good will from the players association, the league, and potential free agents - all while providing additional tutiledge to our rookies; then its a win-win situation for all involved. Certainly better than just cutting him out right and saving a few million. It seems logical to me that if you want classy, high character players; then the GM should treat existing players with class and high character. That's exactly what they've done with TV and I see nothing but positives to the whole situation.

There'll be alot of screaming coming up from Mississippi. (hopefully, of the good kind)

This thread has become one of my favorite reads with my morning cup of coffee. Thanks to all.

I agree. Talk about a low character move, that's just pathetic and completely inexcusable.