Rocky Landing
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It'll be a tough game if EJ is starting.That might be a tough game if Vick is starting .
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Whoops! Went right over my head! (like many things) I haven't seen that move in twenty years.Rocky, you didn't correct him on Germans, did you? That was the most famous line from Animal House. "Germans, Pearl Harbor? don't stop him, he's on a roll.". Love that movie.
I get the venting. I was sick in a hotel in Boston (work) at the bar, and just getting more and more deflated as the game went on. To think in 5 days to watch the seasonal hopes end sucks!
I still want to see them win the three winnable games and seriously doubt we could beat the three top flight teams. I hope we are at least competitive.
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Who'e being dishonest here? The attitude I was refuting was one where fans, such as yourself, claim that the "season is over," "we may as well test (once again) EJ to evaluate him," "we have nothing to lose," etc. Now you're claiming that Orton is worse than EJ? Based on what, exactly? If you're going to argue that the rest of the games don't matter (you did), then support that claim. If you're going to make the argument that EJ gives us a better chance of winning now, then that is a very different argument. And, anyone who says that EJ is better than Orton is suffering from willful amnesia.Winning team? There are three games this year in which the Bills actually looked like a winning team…Bears, Dolphins 1st game, Jets. Two of those games were with EJ Manuel as the starter. I think you'd have an honest point were it not for the rest of the players on offense looking like crap. Why is EJ the only one that loses his job? Why do the rest of these shlubs get to start week in and week out playing pathetically? Manuel is currently no worse than Orton. Orton has become the definition of a sitting duck back there and teams are just teeing off on him. So there should be no delusions that this team is better with Orton because it should be clear that that ship has passed.
Start Manuel, a guy who can actually run away from defenders and you take advantage of these meaningless games by letting him loose and not restricting him with fear of reprisals when he throws interceptions. If I’m one of the defensive players, I welcome Manuel starting because I don’t want to push the decision back further and go into the 2015 season with a giant white elephant in the room if Manuel wins the starting QB spot. Players, coaches and fans all know that practice and preseason means nothing.
Back in 2004, the Giants had the Superbowl winning Kurt Warner as their starter, played him 10 games and then they benched him for Eli Manning for the last 6 or 7 games with their team being right in the thick of the playoff race. Yet Manning was given free reign to fail and he did so time and time again. He was 1-6 and threw 9 interceptions in those games. But he was able to learn something because he was allowed to fail. When you play conservative you are setting up your QB for failure because you and the player learn nothing and it eventually leads to changes because we all know that doesn’t work in this league. I honestly don’t care what the rest of the players think. They are losers in my book. Every game they needed to step up they folded. This team owes them nothing but a paycheck. This franchise needs to find out about EJ Manuel now and the players can take a walk if they don’t like it. I’m sure there were malcontents on the Giants, but that team is smart and knows that you don’t burn a top pick on a QB then proceed to hide from that decision like a scared little bunny rabbit. They had the balls to play Eli Manning and let him throw the ball down the field even though he looked like a disaster, because they knew that it was the only way to truly find out what they had. They didn’t go full Dick Jauron and kick the evaluation can down the road.
I've posited this question several times over the last couple days, and not gotten a single response: If a secret poll were conducted among the players on the roster, who do you think they would want starting next week? Sure, you "don't care what they think." I get that, and that's the biggest part of your attitude that I find the most objectionable. ("All losers???) But, if you think they don't have a pretty good idea of who is the better QB, well, I don't even know what to say to that.
Personally, I think the answer is obvious, and I'm just assuming that the players on our team don't share your defeatist attitude, and actually want to win games. And, for myself, I want to watch them win games, regardless if they're going to the playoffs. To me, the regular season doesn't end until week seventeen.
EDIT: I keep going back to your post and seeing other little obnoxious statements! "...the players on offense looking like crap." ??? Tell that to Fred Jackson. Or Chris Hogan who has vastly exceeded people's expectations. What about Sammy Watkins? Seantrel Henderson? And there are five games (not three) in which we "looked like a winning team"-- those would be the ones we won.
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No offense, but I despise your attitude. This is no way to build a winning team by declaring the season "over." Sure, we're not making the playoffs, and everyone knows it. But, I would sure hope that every member of the team still wants to win games from now until game 16. Maybe you don't care it EJ throws 15 interceptions. But, I'll bet it would be a pretty serious downer for him and every other member of the team. I have a hard time believing that making the rest of the season some experiment that does't include winning games does the team any good. Losing more games isn't going to make our team better next season. It's only going to make us losers.When you weigh the decision of protecting EJ Manuel’s development vs putting 6 additional live game experiences under Manuel's belt, the answer should be clear. You put Manuel in and see what he does. You give him free reign to make great plays and make mistakes. You stop playing conservative and you tell EJ to challenge defenses with deep throws down the field. I don’t care if he throws 15 interceptions. The season is over. I'd like to see Manuel get the nerves and gitters out of his system this year with the goal of him possibly coming out on the other end of this “trial by fire” with him lighting defenses up the last couple of games.
The Bills will garner almost nothing regarding Manuel’s development in the off season and training camp sessions. The only way to truly evaluate Manuel now and in the future is live action.
The new owner should just fire Marrone so that there’s no more delusion and the interim HC is instructed that the most important objective of the remaining 2014 season is to evaluate EJ Manuel and to let him throw it 30 to 35 times a game. No more fear of failure. I don't care if we win a couple more games with Orton. Who cares. There's nothing to be gained from THAT experience. This team desperately needs answers regarding Manuel and now that the Titanic is officially going down, it's time to embrace this opportunity no matter the results.
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If a secret poll were conducted among the players on the roster, who do people think the team wold want starting next week? I have to believe that every player on the team wants to win games. And, personally, I'm tired of this idea that because we aren't going to the playoffs (again), that the rest of the season doesn't matter. You don't build a winning culture by only bothering to win the games that "matter."
Regardless of how "done" our season is, I still want us to play every game to win. I believe that is what's best for the team in the long run. That, IMHO, is how you build a winning culture. If Kyle Orton is our best QB (he is), then he should start until he isn't.
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Sober and realistic.Was it over when the Germans Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor?
The guy in your avatar says keep the faith, there are 100 + games of football left to be played and the NFL is pretty unpredictable.
I always thought this was a 9-7 team and even if we get there and don't make the playoffs, I'll be pleased with the progress. Jmo.
I was really depressed after the Miami game and had a similar conversation with my Dad where we vented. He's the only one who gets it!
I'm a little down on the common attitude on this site that unless we make the playoffs, the season is meaningless, and the notion that once we are eliminated from the playoffs, wins no longer matter. I watch the Bills play every week, and when I watch them play game 16, I still want to watch them win.
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If a secret poll were conducted among the players on the roster, who do you think the team wold want starting next week? Assuming that all of our players actually want to win games for the rest of the season (and, perhaps even create a "winning culture" in Buffalo), how many do you suppose would say things like, "we should start building for next year," or "let's give ___(fill in the blank)___ a shot- we have nothing to lose?"
Regardless of how "done" our season is, I still want us to play every game to win. I believe that is what's best for the team in the long run. That, IMHO, is how you build a winning culture. If Kyle Orton is our best QB (he is), then he should start until he isn't.
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Yes, we should bring back EJ because I've totally forgotten how badly he sucked earlier in the season. And, he could really benefit from the experience of losing games. What a great morale boost it would be for the rest of the team. The defense could get some extra time on the field. The receivers could improve their proprioception by not knowing where the ball was going to land. From here on in, we should play to lose.
(edit: this is, of course, sarcasm.)
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I don't even remember which quarter it was, but there was a play where Smith slipped out of the pocket, and Darius sprinted after him, and Smith threw it away. I just couldn't believe how fast Darius moved, considering his size. This is one of the things I truly love about football: Every type of athlete is represented on the field. And, Darius is an exceptional example of his type of athlete.Dareus is 1 yr younger than JJ Watt. It's hard to believe b/c if feels Dareus has been around forever now, but the beast is still 24 yrs old. If Dareus continues at this pace (which I'm hoping for), any chance Dareus breaks Watt's record contract?
This man-child is having a JJ Watt type season this year and is on pace for almost 20 sacks from the DT POSITION!
Dareus is going to blow McCoy's contract out of the water, in my opinion. God (Pegula) help us.
Salary geniuses. Break it down for me how we can keep Dareus, MW, Hughes, and KW on this D-line.
Looking at KW's contract - man we got a bargain for the production he puts out, and he's still signed through 2016, after which he'll probably be released bc he'll be like 33/34.
But back on topic - Will Dareus break Watt's record contract for a defensive player?
I'd give Dareus a 10yr contract and keep him as a Bill for life.
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I was just looking through some of the posts on this thread, and I just want to comment: Anyone who thinks that Orton lost us this game is either: a) trying to further some "agenda," b) didn't really watch the game, c) thinks that "passer rating" has some statistical relevance, d) doesn't understand football, or e) all, or some combination of the above.
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A Buffalo Bill player named Williams,
and Williams, and Williams, and Williams,
all said to each other,
"don't sweat it, my brother,
mediocrity will still make us millions."
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I have a hard time with this notion that sticking EJ into the end of a losing season, and losing more games than we would have otherwise is going to help him. I also have a hard time with the idea that such a strategy won't hurt the rest of the team.Yup then let Manuel get some more experience. He has watched long enough to have hopefully learned something.
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Personally, I do believe that our playoff chances are as good as dead. But, even if they were completely dead, I still want us to play to win every week. That's how you create a winning culture. We don't do anyone on the team any favors by throwing EJ in so he can gain experience by losing games. Orton is the best QB we have. He should start until he isn't.
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I'm just going to R-E-L-A-X now, because our playoff chances are O-V-E-R. They were S-L-I-M to begin with.
This was not a coaching loss, IMO. Two very bad mistakes, and WAY too many dropped balls.I don't see the way to the playoffs at this point. Best case I see is 9 - 7 and no playoffs with anothwr year of Marrone and Hackett. We just wasted out beat defense in decades and bumbled away an easy win. These Bills are not different from teams of the past 15 years. They snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and the gameday coaching is dreadful.
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OK sorry. Mods should delete this thread.
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So, in 2015, the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills all have to drag their asses across the Atlantic, and get hammered by jet lag, but the Patriots get to stay home. WTF?
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It was a groin injury, not a concussion.
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For my 50th birthday this year, the Universe gave me a staph infection on my scrotum. (That's right, my SCROTUM!!!) It was awful. It ended up taking about five weeks to get rid of, and the potent antibiotics I was on was like eating poison twice daily. It took about three months before I felt like myself again.
Of course, what JK has is quite a bit more serious-- certainly life threatening, and the antibiotics are going to kick his ass. My thoughts are with him.
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That was a great read.
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That's how I remember it. But I'm irrationally biased, and often wrong about many, many things.I'd have to look again, but to me it looked like he was going for the ball, trying to tip it at least but just missed.
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Here is my problem with the Quarterback Rating Differential (and this is going to sound picky, and semantic because it is):
The Quarterback Rating Differential should not be called the Quarterback Rating Differential.
Hear me out.
The Quarterback Rating (QBR) is a formula used to rate a quarterback’s performance based on completion percentage, yards per pass attempt, touchdowns, and interceptions. It is statistically meaningless because it doesn’t take into consideration the playing level of anyone else on the field other than the quarterback, and the null hypothesis is easy to prove.
The Quarterback Rating Differential (QBRD), on the other hand, is a measure of team performance based on those four metrics. In other words, everyone’s performance on the field, including the offense and defense of the team being measured, and the opponents of that team factor into the equation. That is why the above list doesn’t state Aaron Rodgers’ QBRD, but the Packers’ QBRD. In fact, there could be several quarterbacks playing during any game that would be included into QBRD.
Really, this stat should be called Team Rating Differential. And, with that being said, if someone (or some group) with a firm understanding of statistics, and a lot of time on their hands would calculate, and include corresponding values for running plays, rushing touchdowns, and field goals, the statistic would be even more useful.
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By playing him?Must be nice to have a decent offensive mind calling games.
We could get McCoy but Marrone and Hackett would ruin him just like they did EJ.
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I agree.I know a lot of people jumped on Bradham that day but Im not one of them.....the guy did what we need to do to win a game against the jets....be more physical then they are......
Nigel has really turned the corner as a NFL player
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Or it will be all about the "resiliency of the Jets," and "the genius of Rex Ryan," and "rising from the ashes," and other such nonsense. I wish there were a vomiting emoticon, but there isn't, so I'll go with this one:If the chiefs struggle to beat the Jets, even if they win, we might actually finally be favored for a week. I think we've only been favorites once this whole season.
(close enough).But, either way, they still won't favor us. The media is almost as conditioned as we are to not have faith in the Bills.
Week 12 Predictions: Jets at Bills
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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On the plus side: Bills win the turnover battle. They know how to shut down Vick. The Bills are a better team.
On the negative side: No longer a home game. limited practice. Coaching.
Were this still a home game, and Buffalo wasn't buried in snow, the Bills would be favored by 5 or more. As it is, they are still favored by 2, and I think that is a fair assessment. I believe that the Bills are still focused on winning games and haven't given up on the last six weeks of the season, regardless of their playoff hopes-- unlike many posters on this site.
Bills by 2.