Rocky Landing
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There are posters who use rhetorical phrases such as, "end of story," "case closed," and "(blah, blah, blah) pure and simple." Those who betray such a one-sided perspective and hold their own opinions in such high regard rarely bend to reason, and I generally ignore much of what they have to say. I've been a member of this site for a couple years, now. I rarely post, but I read it almost daily. The fans who take a reasoned approach, temper their judgements with facts (rather than emotion), and who are seeking opinions as much as they are presenting them, are the one's from whom I have learned much about football.For a kid who's been thrown into some hellacious situations while doing his level best to make a living, he gets denigrated to a disturbing degree. I don't get it, but I'm sure of this: the dissing he takes says more about the dissers than the dissee.
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If we're going to be honest with ourselves, sustaining two knee injuries in his first six games, including preseason, is most certainly cause for concern. How many games did Phil Simms miss in his first season due to injury? I recall you being extremely critical of Kolb for being injury prone, and, as it turned out, rightly so. But, you seem to be applying a different standard to EJ. I think the value you place on your own opinions/predictions is clouding your judgement.I've posted it before but I'll do it again.
Would you be happy if after calling it a career a QB had two Super Bowl Rings, was a Super Bowl MVP and two Pro Bowls?
Phil Simms in his first four years had a a separated shoulder, compound fracture of thumb on his throwing hand and torn knee ligaments. He was drafted higher than EJ, I think it was the eighth pick. I lived in NYC at the time a lot of fans hated the pick. Called injury prone and a bust. Not a HOF but his number has been retired by the Giants. I think if you asked Giant fans who they would take given a choice between Simms and Eli Manning, they would take Simms.
I am sure if I tried I could give you many examples. Please stop with the injury prone nonsense.
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He has two strong knees.... hopefully...While I am not one that wants to see Tuel play on Sunday, what strengths does he possess? He got signed onto an NFL roster for some reason so there must be SOMETHING that he is somewhat good at when it comes to the quarterback position.
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I don't see any reason to believe that EJ, at 100%, will come back and play well after having several weeks off with a bum knee. He was mediocre at best before the injury. After several weeks of very limited activity, he will, once again, be a project in its early stages. To "brace him up," and play him before he is 100%, because we are facing one of the better defenses in the league would be beyond foolish.
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Is it me, or does this team seem to have an addiction to UDFAs?
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The Chiefs haven't given up more than 17 points all year. With how much Thad struggled against NO, it would be a stretch to assume the Bills will be the first team to exceed that total. That being said, they can't keep up this pace all year, nor can they keep up the undefeated season. The question is whether this is the game the Chiefs will come back down to earth a bit.
So much is riding on this game for the Bills. If they win, not only are they one of the main national stories on Monday, but they will have also put themselves in a solid position for a playoff push with several "easier" games coming up. If they lose, same old Bills, 3-6, looking like even 8-8 is out of reach.
Meanwhile, it's almost an acceptable loss for the Chiefs. They've already played much better than anyone thought and have basically locked up a playoff spot after being the worst team in the league last year. The Bills are at home and the Ralph will be super amped up for this game.
That's why I think the intangibles favor the Bills and they will buck the statistical trends which have been so favorable to the Chiefs so far this season. It is the appropriate game for them to come back down to earth.
Bills win 20-16.
The above bolded statement is absolutely UNTRUE for the Chiefs. The Chiefs are one game ahead of the Broncos in their division, and still have to play them twice. This game is HUGE for the Chiefs. It is most likely the difference between The Chiefs playing at the Broncos in week 11 one game ahead, or tied in their division. (Which also means, it is most likely the difference between the Chiefs finishing that game, tied, or one game behind. No team has better home field advantage, IMO, than the Broncos.)
All that being said, we are only 3 point underdogs, apparently. This is a winnable game.
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You have to admit, this isn't exactly accurate. He's had two knee injuries in five games. That's not exactly promising.Because they love EJ. Whaley has gushed about him on several occasions. He's the QB next year and has shown nothing but promise in his limited time
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True, but Right Manuel didn't mention the spread. In context, I believe he was talking about Ws, and Ls.Funny Tebow mention
Right Manuel for the Job is correct. Picking Bills Opponent - Points would give you a losing record this season. The Bills are 5-2 against the spread.
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The Bills will keep it close in the first half until Thad goes down with an injury in the second quarter. Then, we sign Tim Tebow during the halftime, and he rallies us to a win in overtime. 27-24, Bills.
Had the experts been wrong more often than not, we would be enjoying a winning season.Every "expert" will pick the Saints to win. Just like every expert picked the Ravens to beat the Bills, and the Dolphins to beat the Bills. We are the permanent underdog, but this year the experts have been wrong more often than not with this team.
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I agree with this, more or less (except for calling Lewis, "Fitz with a better arm"- I think that is a nonsensical comparison), but I am looking at it with a very different perspective. Lewis DOES look like a QB who just came off the practice squad. And, he has played one game for us- his second NFL game of his career. How will he look after a few more? Is there any reason to think he won't improve? Sure, his ceiling may have been reached. But, other than the fact that he wasn't drafted, is there any reason to assume that? There isn't any QB controversy now- I don't think anyone is saying that there is. But, if Lewis improves, and proves that he has a higher ceiling than you think he has, and wins us some games, maybe there should be.With all due respect to the Thad supporters here, there is no controversy. Thad is gritty, tough and has made some nice plays. He has also looked like a QB that just came off the PS. He is Fitz with a better arm. Once teams get more than 3 games of footage on him he will be easier to defend. I have little faith in a Thad Lewis led team for 16 games. He is limited, went undrafted for a reason and was backing up KELLEN MOORE in Detroit two months ago. His ceiling may already have been reached. EJ has immense talent albeit he is a bit raw. But if you haven't recognized his talent, leadership and pure ability, you are clearly missing something
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The devotion that some fans have for EJ is weird. " I do not care if EJ loses every game." ??? Really?It does not matter how many he wins. He is not the future of this team. I do not care if EJ loses every game. He needs to start. How else will you know? Thad Lewis has an upside of 2nd string but more likely third string. I can't believe people are seriously debating this
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How many knee injuries does EJ have to sustain to become the backup?
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I like the Pro Bowl being played before the Super Bowl, and I prefer that the nominees, whom are going to the Super Bowl, not play in it.
If Los Angeles ever gets an NFL team, they should be called the L.A. Bronze.
Buffalo wings were invented in Rochester.
And... (sigh)... here it goes... I fear that EJ is going to be a bust.
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I'm fine with the trade, and I don't think there is any revisionist history going on here to support it. As I recall, he was not happy in Buffalo, and had dropped his head out of the game. He had two great seasons followed by two average seasons, and his trajectory in Buffalo was headed down. I think it's naive to think he would have the kind of production here, as he is in Seattle. He's a great player, but an immature person. It's lots of fun to play on a winning team like Seattle. But, considering the problems we have had in Buffalo since his departure, I don't think his attitude would have improved much. And, it's not like we are thin at running back. I would take CJ or Freddie, with their combination of talent, professionalism, and great attitude, over Lynch any day of the week.
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The fact that he sat out all preseason, and hasn't played a snap yet due to injury just might lower his value a wee bit.Why are good players not worth very much in trade value?
Seems a 2nd or 1st rounder would be fair/
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I'm not sure if this is sarcastic, or not. But, quite frankly, what kind of pick would ANY NFL team give us for him? Having played a total of six games in the NFL, he has sustained two knee injuries. He's going to have a lot to prove when he comes back.EJ's a BUST! Trade him for picks!
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As if we have too many veterans on our team.
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Just how is this, "an elephant in the room?" If you're foggy on the metaphor, the "elephant in the room" refers to a glaringly obvious issue that no one wants to talk about, or is going unaddressed. I read these threads A LOT, (although, I rarely post). I can't think of anyone in these forums, even the most strident EJ supporters, who don't freely admit that EJ is a "work in progress."not to rain on our parade, but it seems clear that Manuel is a work in progress who must progress significantly, for success going forward.
Yes, we won, but it was a 5 interception game that we barely won, and EJs stats look fairly horrendous.
If we had lost....
I think counting on 5 INTs is not a formula that will win us too many more games.
the Bills need to develop a killer instinct (the whole team needs what Kiko has!) and EJ needs to be a LOT better. Hopefully it is possible.
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I agreeI hope he does well, really well. Said it before, I'll say it again, he was not this team's problem last year . . . exhibit A = today's game won by a real Defense
I do like EJ and glad we have him, but Fitz was not the problem
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Awesome!We've just GOT to merge this with last week's "Trade EJ" thread...
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Let's bench our first round rookie and play our UDFA rookie. That way, we could WIN THE SUPER BOWL.
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Ravens, 24
Bills, 20
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These guys are getting boring. Can we please just stop feeding the trolls with hopes they'll go away?
And I'm saying "same dude ..."
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................................(Same Old Clowns, Same Gripes).......................................
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Personally, I think the Jets are probably in the same middle ground grouping as us, the Patriots, and the Panthers at the moment. I don't see it being an easy win, or an automatic win by any stretch. It's kind of funny how quick perceptions can change with just a couple games.
Vegas consensus has us as 2.5 point underdogs. Considering it's an away game, that pretty much puts us right on par with the Jets (in the eyes of Vegas bookmakers, anyway).
Some other interesting odds of note: The Pats are, once again, 7 point favorites. The Bucs are net -3 points so far this season. Are the Pats being overestimated (again)? The Phins are 1.5 point favorites against the Falcons. That one surprised me. The Phins should be taken seriously.
The Bills and the last wildcard spot
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Pretty interesting thread. I think it's worthy to note that while Vegas bookmaker consensus has the Bills at around 3.5 point underdogs vs. the Steelers, quite a few casinos have yet to post odds. This is also true of the upcoming Bears/Lions game, and it is safe to assume that they are waiting on who will start at QB. Obviously, if Cutler doesn't start, as he said he wants to, the odds will certainly shift to the Lions. (Bears are currently 2.5 point underdogs, I assume with the expectation that Cutler will play.) I wonder how the point spread would change between the prospect of Manuel vs. Lewis starting? Personally, I think it would be a wash.
As it stands NOW, I think the Bucs and the Jags are the only teams that we would be favored in. Maybe the Falcons, but I think they will have some injured key players back by then. I doubt we will be favored vs. the Dolphins- unless their implosion continues, which I wouldn't count on. The Jets have pulled themselves together, and will likely be competing for the same spot, and possibly the division title, which would make our game against the Pats that much harder. Either way, I have a hard time picturing the Pats relaxing against a division rival, especially in Foxboro- regardless of the circumstances.
But, of course, a lot could change. Winning our last seven games is certainly possible. many people have said that with decent QB play, the Bills are a legit team- and not just Bills fans. We could easily be favored against the Falcons AND the Phins by the time we play them. And, while the Jets have looked good recently, they have been wildly inconsistent this season and are thin at some key positions as are the Pats.
As a fan, I always try to stay rational. That being said, I am still optimistic, and haven't given up on this season.
Go Bills!