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It’s Beanes job to figure out who or if there’s a QB that fits.
Whatever banter evolves from this board regarding which one is irrelevant. We do not matter.
We all have opinions but it’s been quite funny to see the plethora of excuses why we shouldn’t trade up or draft a QB.
Im sure someone else will think of another reason that is different from the others. The attempt in changing the minds of those who believe we need a QB is futile.
We need a QB. There are no other positions.
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On 4/4/2018 at 10:49 AM, Midwest1981 said:
Even a lot of "little draft"- like NDT Scouting- has surpassed McShay & Kiper in my mind in terms of quality of scouting/evaluation and draft prognostication. So I don't take what either say with a tremendous amount of credence or credibility.
But I just thought I'd share that McShay said on Mike Greenberg's new show "Get Up" this morning that based on conversations he's had with league executives the expectation is that ultimately Beane gets a deal done with Gettleman to move up to pick #2. His exact characterization: "high probability."
EDIT: 20 minutes after this post "Get Up" added the McShay/Kiper interview from this morning to its podcast:
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/podcast/archive/_/id/22943353
On McShay and Kiper's last Podcast around the 20:35 mark Todd says what he also said today:
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=22956078
It isn't the trading up part that's so troubling, though I personally think the cost is astronomical and prohibitive (I'd rather move up to 6 for Baker than 2 for Allen/Rosen and sacrifice half of the draft capital we've amassed; trading up to #2 will nearly wipe us clean). It's that Allen is allegedly the target, someone who clearly and notoriously needs major refinement and might be a full two years from capably playing at this level, if it ever occurs.
Id like to draft Mayfield too,but these teams have spies and they usually know who the other teams might be drafting.
The Jets I believe want Mayfield,I believe the Bills do as well. Being at 6 might not do it,being at 4 might not as well.
We shall see.
The cost wouldn’t be prohibitive,it may be astronomical though.
Im going to trust our management team on this one. They would know the value of the QB they desire.
Even if it’s Allen. I wouldn’t like it but I have faith in their ability to decipher.
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On 4/4/2018 at 11:20 PM, Dadonkadonk said:
OJ should have been 3rd. He was far better than Aikman and Bradshaw at his position. OJ is in the conversation for greatest RB of all time. Those two aren't even close.
Mario Williams is also too low. Probably ten spots too low.
Much,much better. We know what that’s about.
Aikman and Bradshaw were mediocre QBs,especially Aikman. That guy was blessed with an all around great team and great coach. He doesn’t deserve accolades of greatness.
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This is the longest draft in the history of mankind.
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57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Hahaha. Classic Vic.
There were a lot of people who thought Leaf was the best QB. Happens all the time and is going to happen in this draft.
Hindsight is 20/20.
There could be a guy not considered in the top 4 that will go on to have a better career than guys like Darnold/Rosen.
Then again,maybe not. It’s a crapshoot we hope the scouts and Beane have nailed.
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4 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2768346
"The Buffalo Bills could acquire the No. 2 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft from the New York Giants, according to ESPN's Todd McShay."
" Bleacher Report's Matt Miller also expects the Bills to trade up for a quarterback, but he predicted in his latest mock that they will nab UCLA's Josh Rosen after ascending to No. 6 in a swap with the Colts."
I don't even want to think about what it'd take to get there, but as long as Beane & Co. are THAT confident in the guy (and don't grab Allen) I'm good with it.Get it done. Trade your whole draft if you have to.
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Doesn’t matter who they like. They are way too far back to move up enough to get Mayfield.
Possibly Rudolph, but who cares what he wants. His two late firsts and seconds are nothing like ours.
He will draft defense and an O lineman.
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That’s why it’s imperative we draft one of these guys.
We will forever be stuck in mediocrity until lightning strikes.
Get it done Beanie.
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People panic because the media makes a big deal out of Bellicheks moves.As if he has this master plan to get ahead of Buffalo.
For example, this morning on Good Morning Football,they were going through what the Giants should do at two. They feigned phone calls from Buffalo,the Bills offered a boatload for the pick, then the Pats called and offered Number 43 and Rob Gronkowski. The girl,Kay something or other said she would take the Pats offer. Really?
In a realistic world there’s no way the Giants would pass up the Bills deal, but the media is so enamored with BB that it creates nervous tension amongst SOME fans.
I would be the least bit worried about the Pats,but that’s me.
Further, BB hasn’t done a great job drafting.
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2 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:
"If they weren't trading up, they'd have traded Glenn not for a move up but for another draft pick. "
I think that is not the only explanation for trading away Glenn. Yes, they could have traded him for just a lower round draft pick. But trading up for upgrading that 1st round pick was a better option for a variety of reasons, and not just solely the one you gave. It does not LOCK the Bills only into trading further up for a QB. Other very good reasons:
(1) they might get the QB they want or a very good QB with the #12 pick. Every year the "experts" are saying that so-and-so is a lock for a top 5 pick, and then the guy falls out of the top half of the 1st round. Maybe the guy they want is not one of the sainted top 4 that everyone is wetting their pants about.
(2) there might be a non-QB that they have their eye on at #12 and want to get him, if they can't trade up for the top QB(s) in the top 5(?).
(3) holding the #12 pick means that an elite, special player is available. There is a good chance that another team really has the hots for that guy and will want to trade up to your #12 to get him. Let's say that guy or someone else at #12 is not real important to the Bills- they can get the same type of player later. Okay, what you do is make that another team, pay through the nose for the pick and you get more for their trade up than the market value. You don't have the chance to take advantage of this situation if you just took the lower round pick for Glenn.
Example: we got a bump up of 420 draft points for trading Glenn (equivalent to the 16th pick in the 2nd round)
Maybe we trade down again from #12 and get the first and second round picks from the team in the 17th spot. We pick up 1350 points for a spot that was worth 1200 points. It is like gaining another 3rd round pick. That is a good thing.
Most people think that McCarron is a better option than Peterman. If we don't go QB in the first round, then I expect they will go QB in the 2nd or 3rd round which would be an upgrade from Peterman.
Sure, one can make an argument stating there could be other reasons we traded Glenn to move up 9 spots, but you have to see the reality of that trade. You normally do not see swaps with a player to move up weeks before the draft.
Its obvious to everyone why Beane opted to move up instead of taking a second rounder for Glenn,because that’s the value.
I am in agreement with you on building our lines, just not how we build it.The argument our line was bad doesn’t hold water.
I believe it was Pro Football Focus that claimed we had the second best line in the league last year. The stats they used we’re indicative of how a line should be ranked.Tyrod Taylor was a detriment to the line with his one read and take off mentality.
This is the year to get a QB. Beanies moves starting with the KC trade last year point towards our attempt. Trading Tyrod is another indicator,add in the Glenn trade as well.
We have been through this build the team before the QB comes routine before, it hasn’t worked. We could fill holes with busts in any position,there are no givens when drafting. I’d prefer a 50/50 chance at the most important position on the team,instead of drafting a LB that also has a bust rate. It’s a vicious cycle,build your team first, but by the time you get a QB those picks are ready for raises or they leave for free agency,then back to square one.
Our cap for next year is closer to 100 million,this was designed by management for the whole purpose of building that team with your supposed franchise guy in place. Doing it the other way around is difficult because it forces you to find a QB,even if there are none available. This is the year where really good QBs are available,not next year.
Is it an absolute guarantee? Hell no, nothing is, but people with knowledge about football say this is a great class,so I defer to them.
The time is now. I hope Beanie can get it done,I know he’s trying like hell.
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It’s obvious the op wants the Bills to keep all their picks.
Why the attempts to persuade those who want to get a QB to change their thoughts?
I've almost seen everything here with the arguments not to draft a QB via trade up.
Its getting old. You either want to or not. The Bills management will decide,not us.
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A thread about having a second favorite team?
Everyone must really be bored. I’ve never seen threads like this that have popped up randomly. The topics are extremely juvenile.
Theres only one team in the NFL. Second favorites are for young kids.
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1 hour ago, SWATeam said:
Didn't try hard enough to trump the Jets offer. Hopefully he pulls something off.
Put yourself as the Colts GM. They received an ungodly haul to move down two spots. That’s TWO spots not nine.
Now they are in position to do one of two things,draft a guy they wanted at three or trade down again and grab another haul from a team like Buffalo.
Makes total sense for the Colts and you can’t blame Beane if the Colts didnt want to trade with him at that point in time.
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Can we delete this thread?
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OP, what do you mean by false rise?
Theres nothing false about it. The QBs in this class are pretty good. There may be more of a gamble because of contract,but it’s not false. Teams ride with their new player regardless,it’s just a bit easier to move on. GMs get fired for making bad picks so they are not throwing darts at a board.
So, you are one that would rather stay at 12 and keep the picks?
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What if?
I do not see the logic in that trade scenario. They are going QB at 1, The Giants are either taking a QB or trading to a team that needs a QB. The Jets are taking a QB,so they would still get Barkley at 4. Barkley’s a good player but RBs are a dime a dozen in this league. Don’t be surprised to see Barkley drop down the board a little.
What happens,happens. If the Bills can make a trade they will. There’s not a whole bunch they can do. The Giants are likely taking a QB anyway. Cleveland will likely stay with their two picks, unless we offer them a huge deal, even then it might not be possible because they have way too many picks this draft.
The Broncos are the key here. If they do not want a QB then we may be able to deal with them. If the Broncos take a QB then we are kind of screwed, unless they take Rudolph or Jackson.
Indys pick is probably in play as well.
There’s little our team can do unless teams are willing to move back,then we have ammo against a trade up against Miami and Arizona. I think we easily win that battle.
If by some chance the Giants go to 4,then we might be able to pry that pick from them but I just don’t think it will happen.
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2 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:
Scroll to the 35 minute mark
http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/21/tim-graham-show-a-conversation-about-interviewing-o-j-simpson/
Again another cheap plug for the Tim Graham show. This show contains audio excerpts from his interview with OJ Simpson. One clip features OJ saying that Ralph wasn't interested in winning in Buffalo because it would mean he'd have to give players raises. He later claimed that once he made his money from the NFL, he changed his mind around the time that Polian was running things.
Jerry Sullivan though says that Ralph Wilson was always a cheap owner. While he spent money on players during the salary cap era, he was notoriously frugal when it came to coaches and general managers. Sully even claimed that he called Ralph a "cheapskate" in one article and he refused to talk to him again. LOL. Sully said that Ralph didn't believe any coach or GM was smarter than his and so he didn't believe in paying them. Graham said that Ralph would pay people who "filled seats," like OJ and the Electric Company. This also would account for Ralph's alleged fondness for drafting running backs very high in the draft - to fill seats.
This is what makes Ralph Wilson somewhat complicated. On one hand, you have to admire him bringing a team to Buffalo and keeping in the area. While there is some debate, at worst, Ralph made a possible move after his death, a little more challenging than what it could have been. There's also the charitable aspect that he's made to the community and the fact the he seemed like a genuine person. For that I admire him.
But what Sully says is fairly spot on for the majority of Ralph's career - with the exception on Tom Donahoe in 2001. He gave him some pretty money and more importantly control of the organization. Things went horribly wrong both from a football and administration standpoint and after Donahoe's firing, it was back to cheap coaches and GM's that Ralph felt "safe" with. In my opinion, this perhaps was the biggest reason for the Bills 17 year drought. Ralph was reluctant to give the money and power to competent people to run football operations.
In researching this topic, I came across a great article in Pro Football talk from 7 years ago which further supports what Sully was saying:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/01/bills-decision-to-hire-nix-draws-criticism/
“The Buffalo hire is a joke and a slap in the face to all hard working people in the NFL,” the source said. “The Bills have not been to the playoffs in over 10 years and that run will continue for years to come. The owner has made three hires in a row that shows he only cares about mediocrity.
“Bills fans can rest assured that, a year from now, two years from now, and three and four years from now, the team will still be in last place in the AFC East. The Jets, Patriots, and Dolphins continue to make moves to get better while the Bills just tread water. There are good people who were very interested in that job, like Dave Gettelman, Scott Studwell and Doug Whaley that never got a chance. All those guys could have helped that team. The best hope for Bills fans is that the owner decides to sell the team and then someone who cares about winning takes over and brings in qualified people.”
Ouch! Ironically everything in this article pretty much came to fruition. Again, Wilson is a complicated figure. You love what he did from a humanistic standpoint - but no so much from a football standpoint.
Ralph wasn’t complicated, he was cheap when it came to management.
I have actually heard him with my own two ears say “I can hire a monkey to do his job, you want to be GM kid?” Looking back he pretty much called me a monkey.
My boss and I were meeting with Stew Barber about a charitable event. He walked in and just blurted this out. It was odd but he obviously was pissed off at Barber about something. Barbers face turned beet red.
If you look at the history of all the bad management hires you can see how true this claim is. The worst, in my opinion, was Harvey Johnson. Most of you were not even born for that useless GM.
That was why the Bills were rarely decent. He did get lucky a couple times.
He did hire Chuck Knox, and Chuck brought excitement,while hitting on his drafts. Ralph could never handle the accolades his managers received,and low balled them at contract time, (or when they were deserving of a raise)either forcing them out or terminating them.
He hit on Polian luckily. As a first time GM Polian was a cheap hire, no one really knew much about him outside of footballs inner circle. Polian became successful, received accolades, and Ralph let him go with the excuse Polian couldn’t get along with his daughter Linda.That was a true statement but Bill never got along with Ralph’s daughter from the beginning. Actually, Polian didn’t get along with a lot of people. Ralph could never handle someone else’s success on his management team, always believing he was the guy who deserved the credit. It also fit his mindset,which was that anyone could be a GM.
That is the main reason why the Bills were always mediocre. Thank god we have owners that check their egos at the door and are not afraid to hire good people.
Now we need a QB!
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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Next year’s draft, outside of QB, should be a much better draft than this IMO. 2019 will be LOADED with elite DL prospects. That is the 2nd hardest thing to obtain. The Bills could regress as well. I’d use whatever from this draft before including that pick. If Cleveland is the trade partner though they’d much rather add again in 2019 as they have a lot this year.
Therein lies the problem with Any Cleveland trade. They will require more picks from 2019 and possibly 2020.
Im all for it. We have to do what we have to do to get our guy this year. We will have mucho dinero next year to spend in free agency.
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13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
12 & 22 for 5, they can get a good player at 12 and Rudolph at 22.
That ain’t happening. The Bills aren’t going to sit on their hands if these guys are sliding at all. They are going to jump up and get their guy even if it is viewed as an overpay.
They absolutely must make their move this year. There are no QBs in the college pipeline next year that comes close to the 6 guys this year. Getting one of the top 4 or 5 is paramount.
It will be a major disappointment if we are shut out and settle for a second tier guy.
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8 minutes ago, mileena said:
I'd rather give up 22 than our 2019 1st and this year's 4th. The Bills' 1st next year will be in the teens most likely, assuming they regress this year to 6-10 or 7-9 or so.
Which first they would give up depends upon your trade partner, and how strong next years draft is projected to be, in comparison to pick 22 this year.
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3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Hes a huge Tyrod Taylor fan. Enough said.
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On 3/26/2018 at 5:19 PM, Blokestradamus said:
I'll go as far as saying this. Lamar Jackson is a quarterback. If his film says anything but that to you, you're doing it wrong.
His mobility is a plus in theory. PFF put out a stat about 70% of his rushing yards being on designed runs, not scrambles. If you watch the games, you should tell the difference between a scramble and a zone read or inverted veer play.
Does Lamar need work? Of course. His feet get too narrow, causes accuracy issues. He can look to escape pressure but he does a good job of keeping his eyes up against the rush. I think the biggest difference between him and Tyrod is that Lamar wants to be a passer and will stick with his reads longer. He's more intuitive and aggressive as a passer.
Narrow feet isn’t his biggest issue,it’s his release that causes velocity issues. He also throws an “ugly” ball,which is also caused by his odd release. There’s only a forward wrist flick with no wrist follow through, which is akin to a pitcher throwing a screwball. That is why his ball spins awkwardly and wobbly passes seem to be the norm. That could be a reason his receivers dropped so many passes,or they just suck.
Tack on a professional pass rush, with the necessity of quick reads and you’ve got a huge project QB.
Can he learn to change all this? Maybe if he has time to throw,but once the bullets start flying he will revert to his comfort zone.
I agree,he appears to be a much better passer than Taylor, mostly because he doesn’t have to find throwing lanes as often and will complete his checks.
Running for a QB is a last resort and shouldn’t be done often for the obvious health reasons.
The Bills are not drafting this kid. They’ll draft Rudolph before Jackson.
Pass.
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41 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said:
We been done that road, a main reason for no success since Kelly. No more undersized or running QBs, that can't stand in the pocket and deliver the ball. Fitz, Taylor, Manuel, Losman, etc. We had the best passing stats with Bledsoe. A traditional QB.
I will be happy with Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Rudolph.
I defer to Brandon Beane until proven otherwise.
A vast majority of college QBs are mobile.
Watch Mason Rudolph’s stock rise after his pro day, same for Jackson. In any other draft those two guys would be closer to top 10.
From what I understand,or understood earlier this year, the Bills were not fans of Rosen due to his intangibles and concurrent concussions. Things are fluid,not static at One Bills Drive so That could have changed.
Lamar Jackson is at least 6-2,6-3 and Rudolph is a monster. I’d be ok with either but prefer Rudolph if those top guys are gone, mostly because he’s more of a pocket passer. The comparisons of Tyrod and Jackson are unfair, Jackson’s a more polished QB.
Building our lines should be a big priority. I’d draft OL and OL, DL and DL again after getting my QB.
The caveat for me is if Ridley falls to 22.
My opinions based on not much.
What does Beane do. It will be an interesting month filled with knee jerk reactions.
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12 hours ago, H2o said:
We're not trading up to #2 because of the cost and I honestly don't believe we are trading up to #4 either. I don't think the Colts will swap with us unless we grossly overpay. So I think the 7 to 10 range is the most realistic. It will hinge on how the first 5 picks fall. If the Giants and Broncos pass on a QB that we want the move will be made. If the Giants and Broncos both take QB's then that means the top 4 guys are off of the board. Then we are likely stuck with a Jackson or a Rudolph (
@ that thought).
Whats the cost? No one really knows,it’s all assumption based on the Indy trade. The Jets were scared into that trade.
We may not trade up because the Giants might want to stay at 2.
Here we go again with a new QB
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Those nickel and dime posts come from people who live outside of the State mostly. They have no clue what it’s like to live here with this team.
pick a QB,period.