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No issue at all.
There was was only one can’t miss QB in that class,Elway. All the rest had problems, just like this years class.
Kelly had major shoulder surgery and there were questions of his recovery from it.
Marino was said to enjoy coke,party boy and so on.
That was an era when QBs were not protected,it wasn’t an offense oriented league and running games were of vast importance.
So there wasn’t as much fascination with the QB position. It was very important but there wasn’t much press regarding it.
Todays social media, and instant availability of news/sports shines a spotlight on athletes.
Look at how people dissect a players every move.
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39 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:
True! Lol... I just don't believe in this kid. I hope I'm wrong... if I'm wrong that's a good thing. But he just screams out EJ, Locker, JP Losman, Gabbert...
Look at some of his game tape. He’s much more poised and polished. He throws a great ball and has great feet, both in and out of the pocket. This kid is way better than your above referenced clowns. He’s athletic.
I threw **** (not literally)at my TV when we drafted Losman, I threw a bottle of beer at my nephews TV when we drafted Manuel (literally).
I deferred throwing anything this year because I truly didn’t know much about Allen.
He took a lot of hits to make plays because his line and receivers were utter garbage. He threw picks because of his line and receivers, forcing balls when games were out of reach. He has surprising elusiveness and speed for a guy almost 6’5” and 245 pounds.
Check the tape. He doesn’t look like a college QB to me at all.
I wasn’t a fan of his before but I am now.
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2 hours ago, OJABBA said:
I have seen this game pointed to as proof that he sucks. He is playing pretty damn good, but at the end of the game, the score is way out of hand, and he is forcing throws. He opens the game with a long string of completions. I'm not sure Tyrod has ever completed that many passes in a row on one drive.
Wow, you can really see his skill set in this game. He’s got great foot movement,slides around in the pocket and will throw it away when he has to.
You can see how outclassed his team was in this game and likely most games. If he gets any time in the pocket he’s going to be great,IMO.
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2 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:
He didnt like Allen he just knew we would be the team that falls in love with Allen. and I think you have to read the whole article to see where the D came from. I really dont get the Teron pick and Silva said he was more of a safety. Which means that he estimates we drafted back to back safeties. Is he right? Dont know. He also basically stated that we wasted our last two on Proehl and Ray Ray. Once again he could be wrong. I get the grade range. We really got 2 certain starters in Edmund's and also Teller. Phillip's SHOULD eventually become one. Allen maybe.
I think just keeping both seconds would have seen a higher grade from him.
I think what he says should be taken with a grain. It was just something to read and think about.
Allen should become a starter as well. WHEN is the question.
I don’t believe he will sit the entire year.
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3 hours ago, Ifartalot said:
What Arizona gave up to trade up for Rosen did make it look like the Bills overpaid for Allen.
Thats because no one was bidding against them.
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36 minutes ago, billspro said:
Lol 6 attempts
Lol is right.
Thanks.
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1 hour ago, billspro said:
Those are actually pretty similar. Especially yards, YPA, and TDs. The only difference is completion percentage. You have to remember though Wentz had a much easier job playing for a dominant div 2 program.
Whats interesting is this year
2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 66.7% completion percentage.
If a player is inaccurate they normally remain that way. Not the case here.
What happened in 2015 that was different? Coaching? Players? Different scheme?
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5 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:
I bought a Shane Conlan autographed jersey at Dave and Adams the other day for 100 bucks. Can’t go wrong with the throwbacks from the glory years
Nice find. Conlan was a beast,if only he could have stayed healthy.
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Excellent response by our new QB.
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Where did you find Allen’s sub 60% completion numbers from high school and Junior college from?
Is there a link to them.
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13 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:
There's no such thing as grading a draft post draft.. they're paid to give out grades on the spot
Formal semantics.
Are they good players?
Who is a bust?
Those guys who grade drafts are normally incorrect down the road.
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7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
No one here, no one, is more seasoned than I am, seeing as I was sitting in the Rockpile opening day 1960. And this seasoned fan has learned over 58 years are three things:
1. You cannot grade a draft until you actually see guys play
2. There are people who claim they are fans but really would rather predict gloom and doom and then hope they're right so they can say I told you so
3. The ones under #2 have no business calling themselves fans of the team
Im pretty close to being as seasoned, my first time there was 1963.
I agree with your assessments, all three.
When I was in my late teens and early twenties I used to feel as that poster does now, then you grow up and realize
it isn’t worth it.
Theres no way to grade this draft right now. They are all ass hurt because they sucked down the koolaid served via guys on ESPN.
Social media is creating monsters out of people and everyone is an armchair GM.
I like the draft on paper.
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On 4/27/2018 at 2:22 PM, Scorp83 said:
Did the Bills REALLY get their guy? Or did they panic?
I believed they panic! I believe they're guy was Darnold...then given the fact that they met with Mayfield about 4 times... i feel like they panic once Mayfield went 1st overall. The Giants probably told them no...Our guy is there, then the Jets...who really screwed us since the trade...take Darnold! Now people want to praise Beane for patients...Please! He was trying to trade with the Browns, The Broncos & the Colts...problem was...all those teams couldn't pass on the players that fell to them.
It's obvious that they had Allen over Rosen (Which is concerning imo) & it's just NO WAY they can tell me Allen is a better prospect then Rosen. How far apart were Allen & Rosen? I felt like they could hve sat there at 12 once "Their Guy" went off the board. When you watch Allen play...its just no way they can say... "He was our guy"
They panic... just like the other regime did with JP Losman.
Thoughts?
He was trying to trade up with those teams to draft Allen, your alleged “our guys” were gone. Beane was concerned about other teams moving ahead of him. Arizona was reportedly trying to move up for Allen. It was rumored the Bills wanted Allen all along.
What would have happened if he fell to Miami? The Ravens and Patriots were said to want a QB. That’s not panicking that’s going after your guy.
You’re bitter because you wanted Rosen. I get it but my guess is Beane and his scouts did at least a year of due diligence.
I think I’ll defer to their expertise until proven incorrect.
Teams bittered on Rosen for some reason and the Bills were not the only team to pass on him.
Lastly, they likely knew what Cleveland was doing prior to the draft. These teams talk to each other and it was no surprise,so why panic?
Let it go, let’s see how Allen pans out.
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Does anyone really think the Bills took Allen because the Browns(THE FRIGGIN BROWNS) supposedly put out disformation?
Jesus, this is insane and the Browns are the team that predictably bungled their draft.
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This is funny actually.
Josh is after his job, now his woman.
Non story. She’s friggin hot, A.J. and her know it. You’d have to not have a pulse to not think so,never mind a raging hormonal teenager.
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26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
He was my 4th rated QB but he’s my guy now because he’s a bill...
and I always said if he puts it all together he will be a superstar
his accuracy #s aren’t as crazy bad as some make them out to be.
he had over 20 drops on the season...
Over his 11 game season if you add 1 completion a game his completion % rises to 60%
if you add 15 completions over 11 games for 1.3 completions per game his completion % rises to a very respectable 62.8%
That is all while playing in a Pro Style offense and having to run for his life
Good post. People don’t realize how minimal those percentages really are and many factors are involved.
Just listen to what Palmer said today on John Murphys show. Wyoming’s offense didn’t use many dump offs and bubble screens like the other QBs teams did. He pointed to the lack of separation by his receivers as well.
He watched every game and calculated an average of dump offs and screens,calculating his accuracy percentage to be 62%.
Myself,I wasn’t a big fan of Allen,but I have changed my mind now.
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11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
He's not unbiased so of course he'll put a positive spin on Allen just as he did in every interview prior to the draft. He's 100% self interested with Allen as a high profile client.
Does it matter his bias?
Certainly teams checked his tape, watched in person and came to the same conclusion because he was being talked about in high regard.
There are no area code misses in his repertoire.
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Love this interview.
He just explained Josh’s completion percentage. Watched all the tape because he thought it was very low for college.
He came to two conclusions why.
Wyomings offense didn’t predicate gimme passes,bubble screens,etc.
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He didn’t have receivers who were open or wide open, unlike the other QBs offenses.
Palmer said if Wyoming had employed those short gimmies and screens then he estimated Allen to be around 62% accuracy.
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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:
Yes we shall. I wanted Rosen but understand we need to see how things go. You on the other hand think you're Nostradamus.
The knee jerk reactions on this board is amazing and 99% of fans here don’t know anything about scouting a QB or what makes a good QB.
I wanted Rosen strictly because he could hit the ground running. I desire immediate satisfaction.
Im also fine with Allen. This board and their stats are hopefully proven incorrect.
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2 hours ago, Bangarang said:
I’ve watched him play and don’t think he’s any good.
I’ve watched him play too, I’m positive he’s good.
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6 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:
Beane and company are idoits giving up (2) number 2's to move 5 spots when the only team in front of them who may have been looking to draft a QB was Miami. We really could of used both those 2 picks in the second round. So many holes on this roster giving up picks for a guy who is a project with high end arm talent was a stupid move. Not other team was going to give that many picks for a project type of player.
There were teams behind them that might have been looking to trade up to get a QB. Sitting and waiting is a dangerous game.
Who says Miami didn’t want one of these guys too.
Two solid first rounders out of this draft. I’m fine with using those second rounders.
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3 hours ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:
Man he would have been there at 12 for sure
He would have been gone,either by a lesser trade via Arizona or when Miami picked.
Lastly, the people complaining about this are mostly the people from the old BBMB who know absolutely nothing about what a decent QB looks like.
That includes the guy named Transplantbillsfan,who loved EJ Manuel and Tyrod Taylor. You sir know literally nothing about the QB position.
They regurgitate Whatever the prognosticators say. This guys a really,really good QB.
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On 4/23/2018 at 6:18 PM, MAJBobby said:
Hmmm really yet the NY Jets were able to get in a spot to get their QB.
Hmmmm
It is a failure of a plan that was set in Motion with the trade down last draft
It’s a failure of a plan because of the trade down with KC because McDermott was enamored with Andy Reid.
Houston wanted our pick offering the same first this year but we chose the team that’s been a historical playoff team instead of Houston. Pick 4 sure would look nice right now.
These rookie managers are going to learn,likely too late, that you don’t make deals because someone helped you out in coaching.
Very,very stupid trade in hindsight, not to mention who we actually could have drafted.
1983 Bills vs Dolphins
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Big Ferrgie fan, but I despised him hanging his head coming off the field.
The kids of today would consider that a cutting offense.
It was a whole different game back then. The league didn’t have to keep the fans interested through scoring. The generation after us was the video game generation.
Got to see all memorable games,except comeback game.
I had seats on the Bills side right on the 50 yard line 15 rows up. I bought them in the late 70s, when attendance wasn’t very good. Had them for 30 years until My family and I decided to hang out in Florida through most of football season.