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1. Will I still enjoy watching the Bills since I quit drinking alcohol. 2. Will I need to drink alcohol to enjoy watching the Bills. 3. How much did alcohol prices go up this year just in case.

This is a great thread. I'm lovin it.

I agree with EJ locking onto a WR for too long but also disagree with Hackett being "hamstrung by his QB" cuz he doesn't use what EJ does best. EJ can run. Maybe EJ himself doesn't want to run to risk not getting injured or maybe it's the coaches telling him, we need you for the season so don't run. Idk. Also, the way EJ throws in playaction is a thing of beauty. We need to get a good run game going so it can open up more playaction calls. It all goes back to the OL I'm sorry. If the OL can give EJ time and open up holes for Spiller, we should have TD scoring drives instead of FGs and turnovers. Penalties is another issue but only Marrone can fix that cuz those are mental errors and have nothing to do with physical attributes.

There are 3 official starters on the OL imo. Glenn at LT, Wood at C and Henderson at RT (what a steal in the draft he was). The guard positions are where we are struggling. I don't think those positions are fixable unless we bring in a new body like "yesterday". I had high hopes for Hairston manning the RT position so Henderson could back him up and maybe learn the LG position to be the trio of Glenn, Henderson and Wood from left to right, but it's not the way it panned out. Marrone is the supposed OL specialist so I hope he figures out who the best 2 linemen for the Guard positions are soon cuz the season is pretty much around the corner. Looks like Pears is who he's comfortable with at RG so I guess my vote goes for CW at LG cuz Cyrus is not who I want holding that position at all. Cyrus looks slow and I just don't see the potential in him especially as a Guard.

I'm surprised Jimbo is calling EJ and his displeasure with EJ out and not mentioning the play of the OL. Maybe Jimmy forgot that it's the big boys in front of the QB who are the real reason for a QB's success.

Ugh! This is sad to read cuz a lot of it is true. We need to stop with these negative threads. We need more positivity on TBD. I just want the season to start already and here's to hopefully our "calendar" looking different. Maybe this year will be a "Leap year"?

Lol cheers...

Exactly! This is the 1st time you're apparently hearing of his tweets and your reaction was Ouch which is how a lot of fans felt and took it to another level and let Goodwin have it on twitter. I'm not one of those fans but I agree and actually LOVE how the fans retaliated on twitter. You don't just get to question fans loyalty cuz your offense got boo'ed. Did they boo Goodwin when he ran the kickoff and got hit hard? No. On the contrary I bet those people who were boo'ing were praying that he wasn't hurt. But he wants to question where people's loyalty is at. No its fine. The PM thing could of been done before. Now it would just be silly. I'm fine with you and your posts and voiced my opinion on a subject we couldn't agree on. At the end of the day we're Bills brothers. I come from an area where there are nothing but Jets and Giants fans around me so Bills fans are the closest thing to a family that I have. Family have disagreements and if I took it personal when you WEREN'T taking a personal shot then I apologize.

Talking about me and bringing me up as an example without saying my name and acting like I'm not reading him talk about what I've said to other posters is disrespectful. Idk how you do things in Chicago, but where I'm from, you don't talk gossip about a person, you tell HIM directly how you feel. The only thing I could of done differently is have the exact same conversation with NoSaint in private message so that way "bandwagon" people as Goodwin said wouldn't be able to add their 2 cents. But I wouldn't change anything I said. The situation at hand has nothing to do with personal shots. You SAY you get why the fans boo'ed but that's exactly where the problem lies. You DONT get it. You SAY you get why Goodwin tweeted what he did and THAT'S where the problem lies. I DONT get how you could think that it's not extreme on his part. It's a simple disagreement. But then you want to chime in and bring up my example of shoving a person and call my opinion extreme. So I call you a know it all. Where's the problem?

Oh please. Respect gets respect back. His previous posts have no significance when it comes to me and his conversation. But if you think I'm worried to take shots at a "well respected" poster when he takes shots at me, you're mistaken my friend. TBD isn't my life. I'm not and actually CAN'T be on here posting all day like some of the posters. But when someone calls me out, I call them out. Respected or not. 10,000 plus posts from one person means nothing to me.

1-504-252-0026. That's the number for Podesta Psychiatry on Canal Street in New Orleans, LA. Please call cuz you need help. You wanna talk about over the top. YOU'RE over the top. You're a very "literal" person aren't you? I guess when someone tells you, hey you're breaking my heart, you must tell them, that's impossible, I didn't cut you open, take your heart out and break your heart, are you crazy? So I guess examples being given for equal retaliation, where a shove deserves a shove back and not for the person who was shoved to retaliate with shooting, to you that must mean, Goodwin is a murderer. Smh. It talks about how out of line he was dude. Can you wake up already? Is this the 1st time he's heard boo's from a home crowd? If personally it's his 1st experience, it's still a common thing for the home crowd to boo their own team if the team is not performing good. It boils down to this dude. The crowd was upset, they boo'ed (normal fan reaction). Goodwin was upset, questioned thousands of fan's loyalty (over the top). The issue with YOU is you don't think what he did was over the top and that's fine. You're entitled to your own opinion. But don't sit there and say someone else's opinion is extreme cuz I can easily look at you and Kelly the Dog and say, how can you NOT boo that offense you guys are nuts.

I don't know his name but, #41 on defense should not be on the team right now...

Nope. Not me bruh. Not once did I say, oh the season is doomed or, oh this is what the season is going to look like based on the last game. Check my posts if you like. I'm not THAT guy. As far as being "mad" about Goodwin's tweet, dude I'm living my life man. I got a daughter, gf, two dogs, a job and rent to pay. You think I'm losing sleep over Goodwin's tweet? Was what he said wrong? Of course (IMO). Did I tweet him? No (I don't have twitter nor do I have time for that). So basically I'm not mad. I was just discussing my opinion on how I thought what he said was wrong. I'm going to be at the home opener against the Dolphins. Am I going to boo him when he comes running out the tunnel pregame? No! Will I boo if the offense looks the way they did last game? Of course!

There's probably over 10 million Bills fans worldwide if not more, so 10% of that is one million people. Basically he called out one million people's loyalty then. Look, point still goes back to the offense as a WHOLE being boo'ed. This silly kid takes it upon himself to talk trash to the fans as if he knew us personally. As if he hasn't been at the stadium where we screamed our asses off when he scored a TD (and not many may I add). I like the dude as a athlete and loved adding him to the team last year but he's replaceable (especially this year). He's fighting for the team's 4th or 5th WR spot. Also like other posters have said, on his twitter account he's in his college uniform and not the Bills uniform. Wasn't his dream to be in the NFL? Wasn't he happy when the Bills believed in him enough to draft him? So where's HIS loyalty?

I'm going to drop the whole boo'ing topic for a second cuz you just shocked me with your response. So basically you're saying that that WASN'T the starting O linemen on the field? Isn't the 3rd game of preseason the so called "dress rehearsal"? Also, don't bring KW into this because he's on defense and the defense did their job the first couple of series until they got exhausted. Sammy would of played if he was cleared. The kid needs reps before week 1 and this game would of only helped him not hurt him. If you know the real starting lineup on the OL though please share cuz Marrone hasn't told us anything.

He didn't JUST call the boo'ing out dude. He put our loyalty to question. You're probably one of those fans who sits down when our defense is on the field and it's 3rd down. The crowd wanted to see a good product on the field after countless days of waiting and countless hours of coming on TBD or Buffalobills.com or any other website to see how their Bills are doing, only to see THAT performance in the 1st half. They have EVERY right to boo. Now, as far as Goodwin goes, like I said earlier (some people I guess I have to explain every little detail before they might understand), he could of tweeted about the Boos in MANY different ways WITHOUT questioning fans' loyalty to the Bills. Right? Wrong? As a professional, do you think taking shots at the fans is a good idea? Bit extreme? No? If no, then there's no need to explain this to you. That's why the fans responded back to him on twitter and I'm glad they did. You learn at a very young age that sometimes it isn't good to say EVERYTHING that's on your mind. Goodwin is just a little kid who got growing up to do is all and this I feel, is a lesson he will learn. Fans aren't going to sit there and watch a performance like that and cheer buddy. Wait, maybe YOU would though.

That very well COULD be what went through Goodwin's thought process but we'll never really know. I just think as a professional he could of handled it a different way. Lol definitely not. I used to own a pizzeria and believe me, I didn't hesitate on yelling back at certain customers if they were absurdly rude. So I know the customer isn't always right but like I said, having a one on one conversation with a particular fan that's calling "him" out personally, I'm fine with. But to call out ALL the fans on twitter at that, not cool.

If I was Goodwin or anyone else on the 1st string offense (and of course this is only the way "I" would have handled it), if I had twitter and decided to let my emotions out to the fans about their boo'ing, I would have tweeted something like, "Damn, it sucked that our own fans boo'ed us in a preseason game. I can't really blame them, but if only they knew that we didn't even use an 8th of the real playbook". I think that would have made fans understand a bit better that one, he's upset and two, that it's just preseason playcalling. At the end of the day, he's a "professional" and he's at "work" and if I know a little bit about business, the customer (us) is supposed to always be right.

If it's justifiable then sure he can call us as fans out. If I shove you, I deserve a shove back or at worst a fist to the face if I start cursing at you on top of it. But if I shove you and you pull out a gun and shoot me, we're not exercising the same type of behavior. Yours would be considered extreme and very punishable. Goodwin took it to the extreme. Of course this is as they say, my opinion.

The OL actually isn't worse. IMO it's better. We have 3 secure spots instead if just 2 last year. The "locks" IMO are Glenn at LT, Henderson at RT and Wood at C... The LG and RG positions need consistency and hopefully Marrone will plug two guys in there and stick with them instead of switching them everyday.

Just like preseason, you're taking Goodwin's comments too lightly or as they say in preseason, very "vanilla". He basically said that the ones who were boo'ing aren't fans and the ones that didn't BOO are the "real fans". He said the stadium wasn't loud (as if there was a reason to be) and called the BOO'ers "bandwagon fans".

Well he himself moved in slo mo on that play in real time. So really for him, it was more like 4 to 8 tenths of a second.

Can somebody tweet a BOOOOOO on Goodwin's twitter page for me? I don't have twitter. You can tell him that I requested it.

So now we're dissecting one specific play in a preseason game? There were MANY things that hurt us this past game, not just that play. Penalties and O-Line lead the list. But if we're going to discuss this specific play, then let's talk about how untrustworthy EJ is after the play is ruled a TD, I believed him when he made it look like he was down for sure. I expect that from a player on D or even a WR. But not EJ. I thought he was an honest dude. Thank God all turnovers are automatically reviewed now cuz he would of had Marrone's (not knowing what's going on in a games) ass waste a challenge.

All I know is, Cyrus Kouandijo was a horrible pick and I said it from day one. That pick could of been used for either a better lineman, TE or even a QB. By giving away next year's 1st round pick for Sammy, you need at least your 2nd round pick to pan out also. After watching him play, he plays very ugly and not the good kind of ugly...