Juror#8

I hope people aren’t simply captivated by this guy because he’s strong, fast, can catch, and can jump. As crazy as this might sound, I don’t think that’s the archetype. Justin Blackmon were all of those things. And I think David Boston too was a low 4.4 guy. If there is any position that can defy raw metrics it’s the wr position. Route running, footwork, cutting, and precision timing are as, if not more, important. College game masks those abilities. And I don’t think there as easily learned as some might think. I get the pyrite vibe from Metcalf.

There’s an arms race in the Afc East. At least imo. I think this is the draft to add substance over volume. I hope Beane is focused on building around a core of exceptional talent. The squad is long on promise but short on exceptional talent. If you can get Bosa I think this is the year to mortgage some draft capital to do it.

This is crazy. I think the benefit of Brown to Allen could be immense. I’m not as sold on Allen as some because I’m not really that impressed by the rushing stats and rushing tuddies. I want to see more precision passing and an improvement on the 52% completion rate. A route runner and separator like Brown can help us to know if Allen is the real deal or just a tall running back with a cannon for an arm.

The opening for “Maude” is better than the opening for “Cheers” and perhaps the best opening sequence and song of any tv show ever. It’s freakin fantastic that people used to talk/write like that. It probably took George Washington a hot second to write that and it’s just delightful to read. Now people write meanigful ***** in text shorthand. What the ***** happened to civilization?

Man I don’t know. I have a handful of advanced degrees and professional licenses. They’re finally starting to bear some fruit from a financial rewards standpoint. But I know a ton of folks who are way more financially successful yet they avoided the academic debt factories. Unless a person is going to school with a professional focus in mind that that degree makes them immediately professionally eligible to do (perhaps after licensure like: engineer, accountant) I think the practical advantageousness of the college degree is a farce. I can get as much edification and intellectual stimulation from a public library for the cost of a quiet afternoon and a library card. I can socialize about something erudite in a reading circle or philosophy group that’s free and meets at any number of groovy places a few nights a week. Just my opinion ...

Man this one is tough for me - putting me in a weird space. I gotta know ... are you basing this on longevity, verisimilitude, competence, or just overall badassery in the captain’s chair?

College degrees are overrated and I think there should be a place for vigilante justice in our society subject to certain parameters.

I have a Rolex 116710blnr. Over the years I’ve had quite a few nice watches. In the current marketplace, because Rolex is ostensibly trying to move more upmarket and compete direct with Patek and Audemars, steel Rolex offerings are tough to get. Anyone you find, save for perhaps an Explorer 2 and maybe the Milgauss, you can probably flip for at least $1000 over msrp. I don’t like Patek or Audemars. About three years ago I had a pp 5711 that I sold about 8 months later for a profit. They’re haute horlogerie and nothing more - exquisite movements and marginally finer finishing relative to Rolex. With that said, you can get just as fine of finishing and a more precise movement from a Hi-Beat Grand Seiko (not to be confused with regular Seiko - Grand Seiko is it’s own brand with a $5000 point of entry). All in all, I’ll stick with Rolex. It holds its value incredibly well compared to any other brand. They have robust case and movements with predictable time tolerances (my blnr is +1.4 seconds a day like clockwork). I had a moonwatch. When it was still 3570.xxx. I sold it after about a year. Amazing history of course. However I hated hand winding it and the hesalite crystal is scratch magnet (but to be fair so too are the pcls on my Oyster bracelet). The bracelet I felt was dinky and it ran +9 seconds a day which, since there isn’t cosc governance for hand wind movements, was ok within Omega advertised tolerance but not to my liking. If you want Rolex r&d, familial tie, and a watch that will likely appreciate over time but with a cheaper entry point, buy a Tudor. I’d recommend a Black Bay. The new Black Bay gmt is a stunner if you can find it. But a Rolex Sub, gmt, and Explorer are watches that you can get for less than $10,000 that will hold value well and provide you with a few lifetimes of good horological companionship. Good luck.

Shout out to Tasker and Rhino and Bman and my nucca Boyst (the homie). Wish me luck tomorrow. Arguing tomorrow for the first time in years. Malpractice litty. Placenta accreta ***** up against a medical provider. Im gonna lay my dick out there for the jury. Yall got me hyped. Love a little shiiiit talking. I needed this for my nerves. If if I get rich off this I’m buying a record company and paying off my defaulted sprint bill. Dave Chappelle reference. Be easy fockers.

It may be a waste of time. That’s fair. And I don’t think Trump and Obama are one in the same. Both lied. Maybe that’s their presidential pregorative. Maybe they’re just ***** people. Maybe they had good reasons for the whole kit and kaboodle. I don’t think Trump has been especially transparent. More so than his predecessor and his predecessor’s predecessor, perhaps. But he’s just like all the rest, I think. Anyway, I think we’re back speaking the same language. And still think the bond avenue is the right way out of this wall thing that needs to happen. Hope you’re well. Sometimes it’s just fun to talk some shiiiiit with you motherfukers. Appreciate you playing along.

Rhino, let’s try this again ... I was talking about how Obama was received on this board. I was talking about how Trump was received on this board. Trump has been in office two years. I said that after the same two years, Obama wasn’t received nearly as flexibly and openly. There weren’t the same apologists for every claim and contest and he (Obama) was blasted (in some cases) for small trivialities. At the same relative points in time. I’ve pointed those out anecdotally. If you still think we’re talking about the same thing, and if you can’t nuance what I’m saying from what you’re saying, and if you really think that we’re talking about the same thing, then “ok.” Gotcha. Thanks for this.

Have I? The truth is out there. Better. Give me something better, Rhino. I know you have it in you. You could have talked about bonds if you wanted something thoughtful. Instead you talked to me about the first sentence. The good ol’ red meat stuff. Im right there with you and everyone else brougham. And ive mentioned the examples plenty.

***** all you *****. This is all you got? Come on. I thought I’d see some challenge and the only thing you’re giving me is a chubby from how easy you’re opening up.

So ... you are “offering perspective”? That’s what the kids say now for ‘flip-flopping all over the place trying to figure out a way out of a discussion without admitting that they’re stranded without a lifeline so that the precious bona fides that they’ve established over the last couple years on a sports board sub forum doesn’t erode.’ You could have just said that. And thanks for ending your post with a false choice. Pretty fuuucking rad. For you, the only thing I don’t know is if you’re 15 or 80. Either way you’re out of your element so just tell me something conspiratorial about the fifth state or whatever and sound thoughtful.

My dick lies (or is it “lay”) in your mouth. That makes you gay and me misinformed because you were wearing lipstick and a wig. Boyst ... my nugga. Get your ass over here and give me ‘5’ bro.

It has bearing to my initial point that Trump’s lies and such we’re just apologized and accepted and Obama was the scourge of the seven seas. Yep, it’s a right leaning echo chamber sports forum where (presumably) that’s to be expected. Maybe? You can find the *****. It’s either selective memory or you weren’t reading here about being Kenyan. The birth certificate ***** and the (ostensible) illegality of his presidency. The falsification of documents. The teleprompters and the vacations. Pretty constantly. Meanwhile, Trump can fart in your lasagna and you’d call it filet (using “you” generally). The point was about situational ethics. And the larger point was about figuring out a problem as countrymen. But the jackass contingent thought to cherry pick shiiiiit. I’m perfectly happy defending everything piece by whorish piece. I aint running from no fights my dude. You may have missed the larger point. That surprises me because you are, in my opinion, one of the better posters on this board.

Trump is a liar - and you didn’t deny that. All you did was compare Trump to Obama (and Bush) to minimize Trump’s culpability by weighing scope of lies. I asked you to find the discussion of Obama’s lies as lies in 2010. You couldnt do that. I see now that you didn’t actually contest anything I was saying. Trump is a liar. You told me he is a small liar. So I guess that boils down our point of contention. Your use of an adjective. Super. I thought you were bringing something cogent and instead you wasted my time.

Not sure what you’re talking about. You’re actually not. You said in your clarifying post that you’re not referring to ppp. Well I was. I use the word “here” and “this community,” to indicate that in my first post. Two different things, friend. But to be sure, I asked for you to find something. Would love to see it. I’m giving you the option to align us. Bring us together. Two ways this can go: you can acknowledge that you’re curling while I’m playing chess. Or you can find the *****. Lies as lies in 2010.

Dude then what are you talking about? We’re talking about two different things. I’m talking about how Obama was received here after _____ years relative to Trump. I’m talking about the water carriers here and how Trump’s actions are fodder for apologists while Obama was pilloried for doing similar, and lesser things. By the same people. Read my first post again. You’re talking about some deeper ***** and that’s groovy and all. I’m talking about the contrasts here. In order for this relationship to work, we have to be speaking the same language. Also, can you point to a single post from late 2009 about lying about ending surveillance (which would have been somewhat of an anachronism with 6 years left to go in his presidency) and drone strikes? I don’t recall a single one of those convos when I reading the boards back then. The one wouldn’t make sense historically and the other I simply don’t recall. Lets find discussions about those lies as lies back in late 2010 for an apples to apples vantage point.

Gotcha. So let’s first just assume that everything that you’re saying is truth. Assumption #1 Then let’s say that even the things that you posit, that are the subject of any dispute, you are spot on without condition, qualification, context, or uncertainty. Assumption #2. So stipulating to both, not out of agreement, but just to move this bull#### along, here is what you’re telling me ... Basically Trump is comparatively better because the lies he’s been caught in are smaller in dispositional scope. Continuing on (and you correct me if I’m wrong) it appears that you’re contending that Trump is characteristically better because his two years (so far) of frequent lies of smaller, simply agitating, scope are less impactful than a handful of big lies that two others had 8 years to ***** around and manufacture and that we’ve had many more years to uncover. So therefore: 1. What unites liars as scourges isn’t their intentional departure from the truth which is designed to mislead for some gain, but the subject matter that the lie is about. 2. Lying isn’t the flaw (or bad) in and of itself. I don’t know what to say about that. I hope I'm misreading/misunderstanding your post and that you’re not that ethically suspect. Oh yea, you also seem to think year-2 Obama and year-8 Obama were treated differently here. Your thesis really relies on it. Thats a problem and a flaw that fundamentally fractures the point that you’re trying to get across. Obama was treated like ***** from the word ‘go’ here. He wasn’t given the same “flexibility” that Trump was. It was everything from his birth certificate, to some vacations, to what Michelle wore to dinner. He was a liar about where he was born, and his capacity to be president. He wasn’t liar about being born in Kenya. Month 5 or so. No benefit or any doubt. And we’re talking about some of the same folks who carry Trump’s water. Go back an reconcile that with what I said in my firstborn post. Let that shed some light and inform what should be a different approach angle for your response. Go ahead. Look it up. Do some archival deep diving. Though Bman and his vacuousness wasn’t here then, it’s all archived. Since you enjoy research, why don’t you ‘apples to apples’ your thesis and look back for some entertaining comparison and contrasts. Its a real hoot. But you probably won’t. And that’s ok too. Or did you really mean to come at me by comparing 2 years of Trump lies to 8 years of Obama lies outside that context of how one was covered here relative to the other at [relatively] equal points in their presidency. Did you really need false equivalency to make that point and use that emoji? Come on Rhino ...

You haven’t been here long enough to understand my levity. I forgive you for that. I want to call you intellectually delayed but also build a wall. I want to insult and love you. I want to insult you you because I love you. I’d like for the country to give money to do something for the domestic welfare. As the country, in tandem, is pulling money out of their collective pockets, singing the anthem and waving the flag, I want the song to conclude with everyone, in unison, calling you a shiiiit-stained kuntbiatch. Giving you the benefit of something ... anything ... the point still stands that - though I think you’re probably a good ***** dude in truth - you’re also an inveterate water-carrier for any person - criminal or otherwise - who calls themselves a “republican.” You could be better but you choose to be less. And that’s ok by me, kuntbiatch. -Juror#20

Trump is a liar. Let me just get that out the way. Im not sure that he lies any more than any other president. I think he does. But I don’t keep count of all his lies and pernicious liberties with the truth. I should caveat, though, the possibility of an admitted recency bias that I’d be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge. But yea, the dude is a liar and I don’t think a genuinely good person. There is also the weird phenomenon of things that Obama was pilloried for here, yet that seem to typify the Trump presidency, but that somehow gets ignored in this community because Trump has an (R) after his name. It shocks the conscience. But then it was the same flip for Bush —> Obama. That shocks the conscious too. Be wary of people who are critical by party rather than by principle. They’re probably all wanted for preternatural acts. My dad never said that, but I wish he would have. My dad did say “it’s fine to bang chicks from the south but marry a northern girl; they age better.” To which I said: “I guess that makes sense.” To which he replied: “good talk son.” Anyway, I guess I just can’t get over the situational ethics thing, guys. Neither the world, nor politics, operates in absolutes. Most things aren’t all good or all bad. Yet in politics we damn near draw artificial battle lines which try to paint the picture as if that ethical paradigm exists. What gives? It’s strange. Moreover, it’s sad. With all that said, I agree with Trump on the wall. Unlike B-man, I don’t agree with him because I’m supposed to because he has an (R) after his name. I agree with him because I think it’s the right thing to do for the country. I’m completely an independent. I’ve voted for Obama and Romney, Bush 2, Wesley Clark, and Kasich. With that complete political independence in mind, I think a border wall is practical, thoughtful, important, and responsible. And that’s why im willing to pay for it myself. If most of America feels like me, then create bonds that we can buy, as countrymen and as patriots, to fund the wall. Similar to war bonds of yesteryear, give Americans a chance to contribute to the integrity of our own domestic security by purchasing a $25 bond. It’s non-partisan and it’s ultra-***** American. It doesn’t shut down ***** and it’s the kind of referendum that Trump can use to sail to a second term if the preponderance agrees with him. We did it in Ww2. We might have done it before that too. I thought about the bond thing after watching a Ken Burns Ww2 documentary on Netflix recently. Watch it. It’s fascinating. Look what Britain did to subsidize their war effort. Thats what countrymen do. If there really is a national emergency, we should do what we do. Create bonds and bring the country together in a way that’s inclusive and actionable. Go in your pockets and kick it a nickel. I will. Will you? But I somehow think that won’t happen. Because I think people would prefer to complain about the same thing that they’d compliment if their affiliated party did it ... or didn’t. The ***** up paradox of the American political psyche. Played out day in and day ***** out while nothing gets done but more waiting for the next party to take over and the cadence of situational ethic amongst us wilderbeasts to flip. You’re all ***** pieces of *****.

Probably for the best. Your flimsy ass isn’t built for this ****. Fair enough.

It’s not a board indictment. Couldn’t do that on a forum which is just comprised of a lot of constituent parts. But yea there are some whose narrative is “it’s never Trump’s fault.” I can link posts/posters. Same posters pilloried Obama for everything from his time spent golfing, to who he spent social time with, to what music he listened to, to what he said, to what civilians he supported, to how he said what he said ... For Trump the same behaviors is all (and always) distinguishable because _______ (fill in the blank). Never Trump’s fault. Always Obama’s fault. Situational ethics. There is someone on this board who said that corruption is unique to the Democrats. Just let that **** sink in for a second. This is about nothing more than how non partisan (McRaven) criticism will be received by the “never Trump’s fault” crowd which absolutely does exist here. It’s usually just ignored or there are ad hominems that fly so they never have to address the substance of the person making the criticism. But make no mistake, there is completely a “never Trump fault” crowd (just like there was a “never Obama’s fault” crowd). Some are very unapologetic about it. Some swim in an out with the occasional “I tolerate Trump because, well if Hillary had a judicial appointment bull **** ...” but they defend most Trump action and every Trump word - even the remarkably indefensible ****. If it were McRaven making the same indictment and criticisms against Obama, however, it would be more evidence of Obama’s base unAmericanness blah blah blah. I dont care care about anything but the narrative double-standard. Not that I need to say this, but because of the quickness for which people try to ascribe political leanings to someone who doesn’t agree with them and therefore tries to discredit what they’re saying based on ideological terms, I’ll say the following: I made the same laments about the treatment of W. Bush. Same thing. His mishandling of war circumstances and Obama’s mishandling of war circumstances got different play here. There were many who couldn’t find fault in Obama’s war prosecution but were intensely critical of Bush’s. Why? Right should be right and wrong should be wrong - party affiliation notwithstanding. You can search my screen name and “Bush” because it’s all on record. Again, it sucks to always have to go back to my defense of Bush to maintain creditibility for a point years later about Obama and Trump but let’s just circumvent the otherwise-coming ideological flame thrower **** which takes a salient non-partisan point off course. Right is right and wrong is wrong. It’s should be like an a priori. Frankly I don’t give a !@#$ who the person is. Some dont see it the same way though. I truly shouldn’t even have to name screennames.

I have a lot respect for McRaven. Lots. Always considered him a non-partisan. Was surprised he opined to be honest. Not sure you can decorate a military jacket more than his has been or find a person who has been involved in as many skirmishes on the side of the red, white, and blue. I’m wondering how his words get fit here into the “Trump is above reproach” narrative or the “2 years later it’s still Obama’s fault” narrative. I’m sure there has to be a way. It likely starts with an “anti-anyone who said anything against Trump” article from Bman and ends with some explanation that involves a pro-Trump, exculpatory analysis the logic of which would have been flipped to excoriate Obama 5 years ago. Dont get me wrong, I don’t mind Trump. Despite the guy’s unparalleled capacity for indelicate social media indefatigability, and his unique ability to convince dolts that his unending personal unscrupulousness is a media contrivance, I don’t think he’s necessarily been a bad president. I’m not even sure that could be determined right now anyway. Still too early. Id give him a B+ for presidential impact, a B- for effectiveness, and a C for leadership on my “way to early” grading. But whatever ... I’m just wowed by how party affiliation drives a sense of situational ethics. Because if Obama did a modicum of the **** that Trump has done, spoke to people the way Trump has, wasted time the way Trump has, used social media the way Trump has, whines about **** the way Trump has, every other post in this forum would have started with “lets” and ended with “secede.” But I’m getting ahead of myself here, let’s get Bman to post an anti-McRaven article first and go from there.