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😳 Did you not see the talent on O for that team the year they went 4-12? They had a dominant O line a stud WR AND TE they also had a pretty good QB go down early. They didn't tank they lost their QB. Tanking = wanting to lose in my mind.

One game out of 11 without him would be considered an outlier. We will just have to see.

I would have agreed, he is def more talented than any of our other LB (except Hightower) but the Defense has played BETTER since his departure. Now that also could been the teams O they faced since then as well.

We have been very fortunate, this must be how Yankee fans felt back in the Ruth days, and Celtic fans back in the 59's and 60's felt like.. so I'll enjoy it while it lasts. 😎 I was being honest about the Bills, an average D with your current O and I see playoffs for them next year. (Heck you make it this year with a decent FG kicker)

I say next year if you are able get a competent FG kicker and your HC can get your D to play average football.. I see 10-6 and a playoff birth

Because it is pure speculation. He also could have been on IR for this game. Also The D played BETTER after he left, I don't think that's a coincidence. As for Jones, that one could be discussed (unlikely) since their pass rush has been eh at best all year.. (why I hope Cleveland goes dumb and gives us #12 pick for Jimmy G. Imagine the stud pass rusher we get then.. drool 😂)

Well if your a synic I guess you could look at it that way lol. I just took it as him answering the question honestly...

It takes a very Big man to admit when he is/was wrong.

Both moves were shockers even for us up here in NE, but no one up here will question the moves if they lose in a shoot out. The stats still showed one of the best D in the league all year. (Sadly most of the WBs in the AFC are God awful.) But what happens if they shut the Falcons D down and win in a blowout. Say 34-17... will people then be saying he is a super D genius again?

Could you blame him? Going from the Penthouse to the condemned building ina crime riddle neighborhood.. that's what it's like being traded from NE to Cleveland.

Hey man I'm just enjoying the ride. Only other thing I wanted to add is you say "2nd round prospect" and I disagree with that assessment solely because you can't go by the class 3 years ago but rather this class. In this class he would have broken the 1st round easily (IMO). Also 3 years ago everyone thought the Pats got a STEAL when they landed him in the 2nd round.

I made my rational for it. Of course that's assuming they feel a need for a QB. If you look at the class for QB JG is a much better QB than all of them when he came out 3 years ago. That said I am happy if the Pats trade or keep him. I don't mind having a damn good backup just in case Brady gets hurt. I also think the media pumping up that the Pats want to trade him, I think they would but not unless it was a damn sweet deal for them. Hell I hear Texans fans saying offer Clowney and a 2nd for him... I have also heard SF wanted him as well...

Hmm that's a good question.. i think Atlanta gave 2 2nds and Swapped 1st round picks for Shaub. That's a HUGE haul of picks and IMO more than just a 1st round pick when you have 2.

Unless you work in the Browns front office, you don't know WHAT they will offer. (Neither do I it's pure speculation.. but seeing as how they gave up a 3rd for Collins in a position a lot less valuable and NOT the face of the Franchise insay they give up #12 pick. I don't know why that sounds awful IMO he is a more known commodity than any of the QBs in the draft and I dare say if he came out this year he been top 5 draft pick. (That's how weak the QB class is.) Again pure speculation on my part too.

I just don't remember them being in the playoffs that year..lol Not like 2004 was before the Empire or something, I would think a bill fan would remember the exact time the. Eat down began. 😜

They do Styles is the Phenominal one, dean Ambrose is the lunatic Fringe, and the have one the call the architect.just name a few..

You know the last time the Browns made the playoffs? Yup under the Hoodie.. but alas that wasn't these Browns but the Ravens.

Again Zoe is the color guy and has darker glasses on than even the most die hard fan. Most upnhere have moved on from deflategate.. (although It still ticks me off when I hear false statements like 11 out of 12 balls were 2 psi under the min.) but a few hold on and want make Goodell miserable. I just want that man fired for being incompetent!

Ok he is the Pats color Guy, so he has Pom Poms ok lol. I love Zoe he is hilarious on play by play..

I laughed way way to hard at that!!

I think his point was that everyone points to Cassel going 11-5 as a great accomplishment, but he had the same team pretty much that went 16-0. Oh and they had a very easy schedule to boot.

HOF WB Steve Young from Tampa Baybto SF Is the best one I can thinknof

Very well written post!. As a Pats fan I can't deny any of what you said as the number bare it out: 7 SB in 15 years (47% of the time) 11 AFCCG in 15 years (73% of the time) 14 out of 15 division titles (93% of the time) Scary thing is for the AFC in the SB it has been primarily only Brady,Big Ben, and P Manning in the SB since 2005? I think only Flacco went one year. So while the Pats have dominated it's been pretty much controlled by 3 QBs (and 4 teams) for almost 12 years. I don't see how you fix it until the last 2 retire in Big Ben and Brady.

Never expect Intimidated. Over hyped and excited yes. Intimidated No.

You are absolutely right about him drafting WR, but outside of 1 Miss at RB (in the 1st round in Marjory) the man gotten a lot out of most of their RB he drafted. Ridley, Varren, White quality starters. Cedric Cobbs was a good ST guy.