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    Bills Skins Impressions

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    I'm pretty sure there were a ton of calls by Ed Hoculi because head of officials Dean Blandino was in attendance. This was said in the Bills broadcast multiple times.

    That would also explain the 2 roughing the passer penalities on the Bills. (I do agree with the one where the defender landed on the QB's head. I don't agree with the way they enforced that call)

    Please explain the touchdown pass catching rules

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    @YardsPerPass

    The refs called the rule right. But why can you have 4 steps in the EZ & not have it be a catch? Awful rule

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    Thanks for the .gif 26CB! :beer:

     

    This is the rule that applies to that play, IMO:

     

    Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.Sep 25, 2012

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I'm just glad it was preseason and the Bills won anyway...

     

    So we are all in agreement that simultaneous catch is out, correct?

     

    2016 NFL Rulebook: Catch Rule

    ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

    (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

    (b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

    © maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).

    Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

    If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.

    If the player goes to the ground before establishing as a runner -- i.e., in cases ofCalvin Johnson in 2010 or Dez Bryant in the 2014 playoffs -- here is what the rule now says: "[He] must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete."

     

    So this rule is what states if the above play is a catch. Need to pass A, B and C.

     

    A- The ball is controlled by the receivers hands. Not once does the ball move from his hands, even during the hand fighting by the DB. (at least from what is seen in the .gif)

     

    B- Clearly he has control (from A) and has a 2 steps in bounds.

     

    C- The football move aspect. Here is the gray area of the rule, as Bandit cited: A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps

     

    The keyword in this rule, to me is the -OR-

     

    -Avoiding or warding off impending contact - Fails

    -Tucking the ball away - Fails

    -Turning up field - Fails

    -Taking additional steps - Passes, Little takes 2 mores steps after control is gained. Yes, the ball is contested at this point, but its not a simultaneous catch, he is able to move forward by taking steps and is dragging the defender with him.

     

     

    He didn't make a football move before the DB got his hand on the ball.

     

    IMO, the football move (per the NFL's rules) is the taking of additional steps after control and two feet.

     

    Again, as has been said way too many times, this rules stinks and is open to a ton of interpretation.

    Please explain the touchdown pass catching rules

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    Saw the Little catch. I can support it not being ruled a TD. Initially he had both hands on it uncontested, but almost immediately the DB challenged it and Little fell to the ground, losing the ball.

     

    It seems as if your own statement would support it as a catch then. :w00t: He initially catches the ball without contest, has control and the instant his 2nd foot is down is the time when the DB gets a hand on the ball. This is a catch in any other part of the field, and possibly even down by contact. But in the NFL, this is not a touchdown... This league has some pretty messed up rules. :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

    Can Someone Explain a Game Clock Question for Me?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    Think you may have that part backwards. If he goes out of bounds heading backwards of his own free will, the clock does NOT stop. But if he's tackled in a backwards direction OOB, then the clock WILL STOP as he had not deliberately caused. That was the argument in the Sammy Watkins play, the clock should have stopped because an opposing player tackled him OOB and dove him backwards.

     

     

    Well just read a later response, maybe either way it should stop in the NFL??

     

     

    If the player is tackled backwards in the legal area of play, the ball will be spotted at the furthest forward spot the ball was before the tackle (forward progress). Since this is within the field of play, not OOB, the clock would run.

     

    Sammy was never touched. He rolled OOB on his own, which is possible because NFL requires a touch while down.

    Can Someone Explain a Game Clock Question for Me?

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by nkreed

    What I find most interesting is the rule allows the clock to run through that 5 minutes left mark in the 2nd half. Last night the Chiefs had a player go OOB at ~5:05 left in the 4th. The officials spotted the ball and the clock ran down until ~4:45, when the Chiefs snapped the ball.

     

     

    Correct. We discussed this during the Patriots game when Sammy went out of bounds.

    Under five minutes in the fourth, a player moving backwards out of bounds does not stop the clock. A lateral or forward moving player going out of bounds does as well. Under two minutes, regardless of the direction that a player travels out of bounds, the clocked is stopped.

     

    I dont believe that your second statement is true. If the yardage is given for forward progression, then the clock wouldn't stop. If they run out of bounds backwards, then that is the players intention, and the ball is spotted where he goes OOB. If he catches a ball and is tackled backwards OOB, the clock would not stop because the player did not intend (make a football move) to do so.

     

    Bolded statement is also untrue, there is no reason in that situation for the clock to restart. The player intended to go backwards OOB, clock is stopped until next snap.

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