3rdand12

You certainly make fine arguments for your case. No matter the topic. Even Bill must take some pleasure as to how you described his thinking as outlier. Well done to both of you for quality discourse ! i can see both points rather clearly and respect that .

yep. agreed Perhaps no one trusted Whaley's scouts? and McD knew he was over his head with Offense, aaaannnd Rico was not the long term answer. Patience that few have left, I do. They of course were setting up for this past draft in bringing in the QB. I won't fault them for not taking a top ranked QB last year

Overly defensive ? Maybe we could get a two for one price deal on a therapy session and split the bill ?

This is also my opinion

I have to make a suggestion here. If Bills do NOT feel the rest of the Offense is where they wish it to be yet , then they might want to let him learn awhile. At least not let Allen killed or mentally and emotionally derailed. Allen might well be the best QB in the room at the end of Preseason. to me it's a tough call right now. Wrs and O line look pretty darned weak right now... to me at least.

Donnie Henderson ? i may be wrong of course. But that year Leodis learned to turn around on time and then become the receiver. Often beat his guys but struggled mightily to deflect the ball even when in position. I used to cringe when Anyone thew deep on him. you just knew we were screwed. and then he got it. and then he was injured. cruel fate. keep hustlin aint no lie

There are southern Folks who have serious regional dialect. Most people make fun of "different" its true and we all are aware of it. not the intent of the OP i hope. and would be surprised if so. It took me awhile to get a clue what Leodis was saying. years actually. I too miss him and his words. Sincere and sometimes hilarious. Big heart

Under Jim Schwartz and who was the Coach for the D backs that year ? come on we know his name he did kick that azz. WIN thanks Mike !

Unless you are Buffalo Bills. you were here for the Peterman thing weren't you ?☺️

no argument about that !

I was going to mention a bit about what you meant. Glad you were able to clarify ! amazing how QB need drive players up the board with such zeal. Because everyone wants one. Even the teams who have one look hard. Crazy helium balloons

Now if that could be successfully turned into a " Process " map we would really have something ! But no question about Jokeman on this one.

If Groy and Bodine grade evenly under the New Coaches . Who do you start at center ? Flexibility and the ability to play teams comes into the equation i might guess

Bills weren't going to be drafting a QB on what was left of Whaley's scout team and Sean McDermott's defensive acumen were they ? and why they traded away and then garnered 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds ! awesome right there. and then still traded up last year. Who was it they picked again? it's fun to discuss hypotheticals. But Mahomes will have a career in the NfL, and we sure hope Bills FO made the disciplined decisions for long term (3 years lol ) success with how they managed last two drafts well it is certainly similar in multifaceted ways to rocket surgery . surprised that you of all folks , have not noticed . ☺️

depends on the Offense they run. Beane finds them McD and Daboll etc pick them. but i share your worries. Bodine is likely fine actually. and heck Groy is lining up as his back up. So no dropoff....

I am a bit pleased here. i considered that perhaps i had The Rose colored memory glasses on again . Has happened before with me and Bills player evaluation ! I am keen on what this new line does after the snap this season. Especially Center. We have had Eric on the team for a long time. I mean no ill will toward him whatsoever. But he surely knew his limitation when bull rushed by the Fat Kids

Fair enough answer. i still need more information to change my positive opinion about Groy. Homer thinking ? Likely. But I struggled to understand how Ducasse started over him Vlad's first year here. in OTAs. closed minds ? thing about that is QB can get ruined with a pispoor line. you should NEVER start a rookie under this line, no matter who the final 5 are. six if you comparing them to a basketball team........bad humor So they are going to take their lumps till next year ? They built the Defense before the offense. But they drafted the Franchise QB this year ? if they are fixing the O line next year? they are going via FA and spending the stackedcash available next year. don't like it.

succinct . Not quite Haiku but worthy of notice. i do disagree with nothing you have said.

heck yes, got some right here ! I factor in much more than that. like Offensive Coordinator for one. ☺️

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how do you guys remember all this stuff ? I hardly recall last year. and i don't just mean the Bills season !

tell me more about that game. My memory only tell his time filling in for injuries was pretty decent. At one time i thought he should take Wood's job soon. But that is just my feeling of his play. We should perhaps enlist All- 22 study by some folks here ? : ) was that the grim day ? When Groy lost us the game ? I am not sure i noticed who to blame for lost games. Team game i try to think : ) remind me please ?

I watched him play. He never seemed to settle down. and he made plenty of mistakes in routine playing.Routes , getting separation and when to do it. Mental stuff really. Stats without context are tough to draw conclusions from for me. How many attempts did each of them get ? just for an example. and yes if you compare any of the Buffalo Wrs to the rest of the league in general terms. they looked pretty weak across the board. So play calling and QBing affected all of them for sure. I don't hate the kid, i just have no reason to feel he is untapped above average potential anymore. Prove me wrong Isaiah !! So harsh with you people geesh lol ☺️

with the roustabouts. nice description for sure

Kerley gone? I think we should all hope the rookies step into a role. if only one is serviceable. this comment about Benjamin laboring. I would like to read that for context. zay . well time will tell wont it ?