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I guess some can't even wait 2 weeks.

A Billiken is a good luck doll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billiken

+1 McKelvin has taken a lot of crap since becoming a Bill, but he has been damn good so far this year.

Despite the loss I'm very optimistic. For the first time in a long time it seems the Bills have themselves a QB. I agree that penalties need to be cleaned up. The defense looks better but still having a hard time getting off the field on 3rd down. A few too many long 3rd down conversions for my liking. But overall I like the direction the team is now going.

Really?....yo?....who the hell says yo?

As with any NFL team it comes down to the QB. If Manuel develops into a good QB the Bills will be fine and on an upward path. If he turns out to be another in a long line of scrubs the Bills have placed behind center they will continue to wallow in the lower tiers of the league. It's not any more difficult to understand than that.

Is that the new colloquialism for "friends with benefits"

It's ironic that a guy who joined TBD 1799 days ago and has to date racked up 18,607 posts would be calling anyone else "weird." Having posted an average of over 10 posts a day for what's going on nearly 5 years is the epitome of "weird." Your obsession with grown men in colorful outfits would shame an 11 year old Justin Beiber fan. To get back to the OP's topic (before the thread got hijacked by the previously mentioned nonsense). Anyone who is into Strat-o-Matic can't be all bad.

Butterface.

You guys are ranking the Bills receivers of the past. Where's the love for Bobby Chandler, Elbert Dubenion, Jerry Butler?

Not surprising at all. When Pittsburgh played Arizona in the Super Bowl a few years back Roethlisberger and Warner were the top 2 most sacked QBs in the league that year. No QB has been sacked more in the last 3 years than Aaron Rodgers. QB is the be all and end all in the NFL today. If you got a good one you stand a chance if you don't you're paddling upstream without an oar.

Just reading the thread title the first name i came up with was Butkus.

Brevity is the soul of wit. - Shakespeare

Higher rated by whom exactly?

If you changed your sentence to read Kolb instead of Carrington than I'd say the Bills stood a chance.

Why the hell would he want to be a pro scout/talent evaluator/GM? He's got one of the sweetest jobs going. Not only is he probably making more than those guys he's not responsible for any of his "picks." A GM has to live with the consequences of his picks and if he fails he gets shown the door. As soon as this years draft is over Kiper is getting ready for 2014 and everything he just said is no longer relevant.

C'mon Dr. you got the TARDIS. You already know if the Bills get any better in the next few years.

that wouldn't be the first time.

Since you gave a serious question I'll give a serious answer. As for your example the answer is quite obviously no effect at all. But like what happens on message boards people like to cherry pick their facts to support their point of view. So in turn let me cherry pick mine. In 2010 the Bills started 0-8. They then went on to win 4 meaningless games in the second half costing them Cam Newton. If the Bills had continued to lose they would have their franchise QB today. But thanks for ignoring the bigger point I was trying to make as to how supposed Bills fans seem to enjoy sniping at each other as much as supporting their team in any way that they choose to do it.

Then we can all be lectured to by those that BILLIEVE that winning meaningless games in December is somehow noble while quoting Herm Edwards to support their position. While the rest will be incredulous the Bills are blowing their chance at the top QB in 2014. I can hardly wait for the season to start.

Of course it's hindsight. How else do you evaluate if decisions that were made were the correct ones. Part of Nix's job is to make correct decisions on player personnel. How you can rate his ability to do so without hindsight is beyond me.

I hope they close the Peace Bridge down. There's going to be a lot of guys lining up to jump.

But...but...but....We were told by so many here that Fitzpatrick was coming back for 2013. We just had to deal with it.

It's shocking and sad to me that this is even a topic. Yes the Bills have a many holes, especially on D. But until you fix the problem occupying the #1 position on any football team you are just spinning your wheels. To just "let it ride" for another season with Fitzpatrick is not an answer. To the OP: there are at least a half dozen QBs in this draft I'd take over Fitzpatrick. I'd rather attempt to move forward than continue on this path. I'm fully aware there is no guarantee a rookie QB will work out, but if he falls flat on his face you draft another QB in 2014. If the Redskins can draft 2 QBs in the same draft I don't find it shocking to draft QBs in consecutive drafts. Every year it's the same story on this board. Every excuse under the sun is used to explain away why the Bills can't draft a QB in that year. It's always wait until next year to get the QB. Couple years ago you could find more than a few threads against drafting Newton. Luck was questioned as being overhyped. Washington was laughed at here for moving so much to acquire RGIII. Time for the Bills to move forward.

As many have already said you don't draft a G in the top 10. If you can come up with a plausible scenario where the Bills trade back get extra picks and then draft Warmack then that might be something to consider.