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NY Giants L Sun. Oct. 23 BYE WASHINGTON* W NY JETS L at Dallas L at Miami W at NY Jets L TENNESSEE W at San Diego W MIAMI W DENVER W at New England L 10 wins should have us in

Vince Wilfork > McKelvin

At this point it clearly Fred Jackson. While I would obviously vote Fitz he's probably border line if it happened today. I'm not sure about Kyle Williams but since he now has a reputation maybe. George Wilson would be the opposite of KW probably

The only real saving grace we have is that we've played some of the better offenses through 5 games so far. We can say that. Maybe we'll get to play some worse offenses and our guys will get healthy and young guys better and it comes together, I hope so. Any talk of anything else though isn't really saying much. We haven't been good any way you slice it. You can look at football a million different ways but nobody that knows what they're talking about would say our defense is even average. You can call them scrappy and you can say they find a way to win but you can't call them good or even middle of the pack. I know I'm a hater etc....

IMO that Dog Fish 90 may be the greatest beer of all time.

It's one of those super personal things (so I don't think there is any info on it) but when you have a heart illness IDK if you come back. I do know that an enlarged heart is a symptom though (as opposed to just the way your heart is), and it can go back down. Then again, I'm an idiot not a doctor. And I don't even know if his heart is enlarged IDK what his illness is.

Hey man if you can't handle the heat....

Ya I don't have an article either but most people know CAm was #1 overall on our draft board. And as it turns out, for good reason.

Look, if we disagree that's ok. I like our team, I think we've overachieved. What I'm talking about is the clear cause for concern that we won't continue to do so unless we play significantly better on defense. The defense IS trash right now. It's terrible. Every player in the league is an elite player in the world, nobody you listed is an elite player in the league. "Elite football player in the world." LOL Now, we do have some good players, I'm not down on everyone individually, but the D as a unit has been terrible. Our D is BAD. KC doesn't matter, nobody cares about that game it was clearly an anomaly even for terrible KC to play like they did. Credit to us in that game, but nobody is going to say "week 1 @KC makes us a good 60 minute football team." I am happy w/ Sheppard and optimistic about his future, I've loved Batten on special teams hopefully he continues to get better. Moats kind of is what he is I know there's a sort of cult following on this board w/ him but he's not overly impressive to me (that said it's not like he's incapable of making a play). Bottom line though, a team with a good defense (certainly w/ our WR corps going down the way they are) can work us b/c if we don't score we're done. On defense we can't stop anyone. And I guess where we differ is you see something that makes you think we're getting better. I don't. We can hang our hat on youth and injuries in the secondary but McGee is old and Williams is a rookie, let's not pretend we'll be fine back there just b/c we get them back. We are also only VERY slightly better at stopping people from hitting us in the mouth...teams run the ball on us almost the same as last year. We aren't significantly improved there (despite it seemingly like we should be). I know people blame the offense and with good reason (certainly knowing that our D is what it is they can't shut it down like that), but the defense is a huge problem and will be so down the line. As for being confused by the offense play calling being a good thing...just no. LOL, we were not willing to do anything in the second half the entire stadium knew we would continue to throw screens and they were all over it. We simply wouldn't even try to throw the ball downfield once Jones went out and it was killing us.

Well it's a good point it's all highly situational. That said, it really isn't that hard to see when you watch the game. When people stop marching right down the field w/ guys running wide open, when Cinci stops pounding us physically, we will be improved. Right now we can be beat either way. It is disturbing to me. The D has been beat in most situations that exist. They've been bullied. They've been finessed. They've taken the ball away in a majority of the games so far but when they don't we'll be in trouble. I mean I hear what you are saying we play however the game goes, but we are one half of that formula. The game is going how it's going in large part due to the way we're playing. Right? It would be one thing to have an identity one way or the other. Something we do well consistently. We don't really do anything well except take the ball away which is not something that we can sustain on the level we've been, and we've needed every bit of what we've gotten.

We have to get better over the course of the season b/c right now they are IMO. Nice turnovers if those somehow continue that's fine I jsut don't think they will and w/ out them we need to improve or this will be another non-playoff team.

Wildcard loss. Good season. Happy? I know I will be if we are fortunate enough to have it go that way.

Just want to point out that I (topic creator) and many others in here don't consider themselves to be of a pessimistic brand. Just a "we need to get better" brand.

I really could care less about defending myself, but I'll do it anyway. I'm not a naysayer and the firs thing I said was I was happy with 4-1. I love the team. There are clearly a lot of reasonable posters here that agree w/ the jist of what I said. I could care less about "expectations before the season" even my own....certainly since I am happy anyway which is what I've said. My expectations from before the season have no bearing on the team. I want to make the playoffs. And comparing us the Pats is ridiculous. The Pats don't nurse a 40 point lead, they peddle to the metal the entire game. They crush you if they can. Anyway go Bills, we're all Bills fans and we're all happy even if we disagree and some (somehow) think we have a good defense. I really like the one guys post on how the turnovers won't continue, b/c I agree. We have to play differently long term to sustain wins. We certainly will have to play better than we have to beat good teams down the line. God knows, if we are so fortunate to make the playoffs (and I hesitate to get into this) we will have to play better (lol can't wait for that line to be emboldened and railed against). Anyway, I don't like the way we played w/ the lead. I don't think we've played consistant for 60 minutes. I think we're played good enough to win. I don't think we've been a good football team (although we've been a winning football team). I know a good and winning football team are indistinguishable to some, and I would agree if we just won the superbowl, but 5 games in it isn't to me. That's all I'm saying. Get on me if you will (the few that have) but I'm not alone in my thoughts. Go Bills...we're 4-1. I hope we continue to improve in both our performance and our coaching. And I hope we can get healthy b/c as we all know...it's close to becoming an issue. I think the Giants are beatable...and then the bye. Win or lose let's just play good next week and get to the bye.

We beat the struggling Eagles who are (as of now) in complete meltdown. We won by 7 after getting 5 turn overs. Last week we melted to an Cinci team who basically had a young child playing QB for the first half. What I'm saying is not that we aren't perfect, but that we are further from perfect than a good team would be. Other teams w/ our record or with good records period are playing better 60 minute football than us right now. That's what I believe. We have problems.

Let it go there's no reason to talk football w/ people that don't want to. We're all Bills fans and we're all happy we won. Let those who basically would be fine reading the paper to find out if we won to themselves...the rest of us will discuss the team which has a truck load of problems at the moment.

We need some WR help quick. Our D needs something but I'm not smart enough to know what it is. Maybe just new players. But ya the bunker mentality is hurting us.

I'm positive about the team but I'm a football fan. I like to talk about the football that went on not just the Win or Loss. I don't think it's being a negative nancy to basically be discouraged at this point about our ability to sustain any sort of form long term based on what we've seen so far.

This Bills team won. I am happy about that. But turnovers or no turnovers, our defense is simply trash. The offense played not to lose in the second half and the defense played to lose. We still pulled it out, but seriously we are not a good football team right now. We have got to find a way to stop someone at some point or we won't make the playoffs. I know people will probably pour in here and talk about how I'm overly negative and as a Bills fan should be happy we aren't 0-5 but you guys can save your finger strength. I am happy. That said...this defense is utter trash and I was honestly confused about the play calling down the line. How many screens were we going to throw? Anyway, just had to vent. We tried to give it away but failed. Thank God for that offsides b/c even w/ no time outs that Eagles team may have gotten a TD there. Cinci did came back on us last week, Eagles did the same this week they just shot themselves in the foot.

We should crush them. They suck. And they are baby quitters. We aren't.

He didn't play great but that happens to anyone. I'm not saying he's some Tom Brady....but we can have the best season in football...and then be plenty capable of winning 3 or 4 post season games with the Fitz we have now as is. He's shown it. Just protect him and drop a run in from time to time. Also...defense should try defending.

Well thanks Raiderfan....I would trade your nice post for a Pats loss last week though. Unfortunately I must root for you to lose you are a prime wildcard opponent.

Here's a more full video. He seems drunk to me. But then again he is wearing a 'bama hat so.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eF6vCv13bw&feature=player_embedded

Have to agree. No way we actually win more games than NE this year. We need the Jets to tank. Luckily, they probably will.

idk man...idk if you come back from a "heart ailment"