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General "betray-her?"

I would second this. B/c it wasn't just this thread...it was a summer of lunatic posts all 1000 words long about how stupid everybody was and how smart he was. About how he "looked at the data" and he "knows how to do that" and we should pat attention to him b/c it's clear somehow that the GOP angle on the polling is right. So we should pin it. Do it mods.It's not even partisan. Romney supporters on this board didn't go nuts in mass about things like "polls"...OC did. And it was hilarious.

Not the best source of info on any president but PBS has a series available for free called "The Presidents" you can stream about 3-4 hours on him and others.

Obama declared winner of Florida officially today. Silver 51/51

Personally if I could make good money doing manual labor I'd take it...of course one day I would get old.

.....Ms Petraeus.... ...Ms. Journalist...

The electorate is the same old idiot America it's always been. I would caution the GOP against shifting from bashing Obama to now bashing the American electorate.

Debt ceiling debate must be figured out later (per his presser this morning). Can Boehner control his conference? Since Obama won and Dems kept the Senate the only fight left in the house is to try and use that along with some Senate maneuvering to attach rider amendments to "must do bills" such as appropriations and debt ceiling deals which would defund or kill certain potions of the ACA. Thus forcing Obama to sign or not sign things crucial to running the county. Ultimately this showdown would come down to who the public blamed and what they understood. So my question. Are we done with this battle? Or will it continue?

Stimulus worked as was predicted for short term stability and set groundwork for good things he ran on. But that isn't the point. In any event, the Stimulus was created in about a month and half. So, go figure. As for money, GOP had a $715B stimulus of their own so lets not pretend this is about money. In any event, all I'm saying...there are hacks and there are data wizards. At least this round we know who is who.

Haha, data mine the nation to manipulate the economy? You guys would freak and claim Obama has made himself overlord. Imagine though Fox reports on the latest Rasmussen sample of 1000 likely voters in various swing states and then Dick Morris goes on to talk about the turnout being way down (causing OC to get hard and write a novel on PPP complete w/ so many emoticons he nearly crashes the system) while in Chicago they're looking at a sample of 29,000 in the last month alone in Ohio. I don't care to knock Romney when he's down but he's supposed to be Mr. CEO, manager extraordinaire, and he isn't writing consession speeches b/c he is totally thinking he's going win? Like I said even outside people were saying it could be huge Obama win (Silver). Romney is supposed to know how to get good people around him, get accurate info to make great decisions...and he may have basically mismanaged a $1B enterprise.

Would be chastising it along with you if I get reason to believe it's true. Reports show Patraeus was not compromised just place himself in a bad position at one point and by the investigation he was monitored and seen to be basically just having an affair. Guy on CNN reported when Obama got the resignation last night he didn't want to accept it and it took a while before he finally did. If he was actually a security threat that wouldn't be the case. Patraeus is by all accounts a good general/director and while made mistakes and got investigated was not actually security risk. Just my opinion. I know you will feel differently. Which is fine.

Also contrast this to the Romney campaign. Romney apparently lived in the GOP bubble and thought he was winning...he couldn't even know what Nate Silver knew from the outside. Obama's squad knew they were likely good AND knew how to make it that way.

Jesus Patraeus use your brain...you are not young or good looking also lol 3rd uses bing

http://www.cnn.com/2...team/index.html

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CNN just reported there was an "FBI probe" into the affair for some period of time lol...jesus http://www.newsmax.c...11/09/id/463573 Ronald Kessler reporting from Washington, D.C. — The resignation of David H. Petraeus as CIA director followed an FBI investigation of many months, raising the question of why he was not forced out until after the election. In his letter of resignation, Petraeus cited an extra-marital affair he had been having. “After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair,” Petraeus said in his letter to President Obama. “Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours.” Petraeus, who had a distinguished military career, revealed no additional details. However, an FBI source says the investigation began when American intelligence mistook an email Petraeus had sent to his girlfriend as a reference to corruption. Petraeus was commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan from July 4, 2010 until July 18, 2011. The investigation began last spring, but the FBI then pored over his emails when he was stationed in Afghanistan. The woman who was having an affair with Petraeus is a journalist who had been writing about him. Given his top secret clearance and the fact that Petraeus is married, the FBI continued to investigate and intercept Petraeus’ email exchanges with the woman. The emails include sexually explicit references to such items as sex under a desk. Such a relationship is a breach of top secret security requirements and could have compromised Petraeus. At some point after Petraeus was sworn in as CIA director on Sept. 6, 2011, the woman broke up with him. However, Petraeus continued to pursue her, sending her thousands of emails over the last several months, raising even more questions about his judgment. Neither Petraeus nor the CIA’s Office of Public Affairs had any immediate comment. FBI agents on the case expected that Petraeus would be asked to resign immediately rather than risk the possibility that he could be blackmailed to give intelligence secrets to foreign intelligence agencies or criminals. In addition, his pursuit of the woman could have distracted him as the CIA was giving Congress reports on the attack on the Benghazi consulate on Sept. 11. The CIA ‘s reporting to Congress included a claim that protests over a YouTube video played a role in the attacks, thus allowing Obama to initially discount the possibility that the U.S. had suffered another terrorist attack just before the election. In contrast, based on real time video and reports, the State Department was reporting that the attack that led to the deaths of four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, was terrorist-related. The State Department reported that there were no protests at the consulate. Still, the FBI, Justice Department, and the White House held off on asking for Petraeus’ resignation until after the election. His resignation occurred three days after the election, avoiding the possibility that Obama’s ill-fated appointment of Petraeus could become an issue in the election. FBI agents on the case were aware that such a decision had been made to hold off on forcing him out until after the election and were outraged. “The decision was made to delay the resignation apparently to avoid potential embarrassment to the president before the election,” an FBI source says. “To leave him in such a sensitive position where he was vulnerable to potential blackmail for months compromised our security and is inexcusable.” Michael Kortan, the FBI’s assistant director for public affairs, said he had no comment.

I voted yes just to add a yes. Seriously though, I mean I would find it ridiculous and that the terrorists won and we went too far, but if it was mandatory and I had to fly...wtf else would I do besides bend over?

...nothing...just seems like...I mean to have done something and then decide "I should just resign now"...weird stuff and unexpected is all I'm saying. Could easily be a personal decision he felt he had to resign b/c of.

Maybe someone could have used it as leverage? Maybe there is more to it? http://usnews.nbcnew...tal-affair?lite By Andrea Mitchell and Robert Windrem, NBC News CIA Director David Petraeus resigned Friday, citing an extramarital affair and "extremely poor judgment." As first reported by NBC News and in a letter released to the CIA work force on Friday afternoon, Petraeus disclosed the affair, and wrote: "Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours." Petraeus told President Obama of his affair and offered his resignation during a meeting on Thursday, a senior official told NBC News. In a phone on Friday, Obama accepted the resignation. In a letter released to the CIA work force on Friday afternoon, Petraeus disclosed the affair, and wrote: "Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours." President Obama "graciously accepted my resignation," he wrote. Petraeus was appointed CIA director in April 2011, replacing Leon Panetta, who moved to the Pentagon to become defense secretary. Petraeus served as commander of the war in Afghanistan in 2010-2011. Because of that role, he was seen as bringing a “customer’s eye” to the intelligence job. Before that, he served as commander of the U.S. Central Command and as the commanding general of U.S. forces in Iraq. Multiple sources tell NBC News that Mike Morrell, the deputy CIA director and a longtime CIA officer, would likely be offered the job as acting director but with the understanding that he may be elevated to the job permanently at some point. That's how George Tenet got the job, first as deputy director in July 1995, then acting director following the resignation of John Deutch in December 1996 and finally as director in July 1997, staying on in the Bush Administration. Morrell is a longtime CIA analyst and was an eyewitness to two of the most momentous events in recent U.S. history. He was traveling with President George W. Bush on Sept. 11, 2001, as the president's briefer, and was in the Situation Room on May 1, 2011, as deputy CIA Director, when Navy SEALs killed Osama bin Laden. Here is the full text of Petraeus' letter: HEADQUARTERS Central Intelligence Agency 9 November 2012 Yesterday afternoon, I went to the White House and asked the President to be allowed, for personal reasons, to resign from my position as D/CIA. After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair. Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours. This afternoon, the President graciously accepted my resignation. As I depart Langley, I want you to know that it has been the greatest of privileges to have served with you, the officers of our Nation's Silent Service, a work force that is truly exceptional in every regard. Indeed, you did extraordinary work on a host of critical missions during my time as director, and I am deeply grateful to you for that. Teddy Roosevelt once observed that life's greatest gift is the opportunity to work hard at work worth doing. I will always treasure my opportunity to have done that with you and I will always regret the circumstances that brought that work with you to an end. Thank you for your extraordinary service to our country, and best wishes for continued success in the important endeavors that lie ahead for our country and our Agency. With admiration and appreciation, David H. Petraeus

Boehner just spoke, gist of it was "I want to keep my options open," and "tax reform to get new revenue" and never used "revenue neutral" ... As for "coming out of nowhere" it's b/c you had to have the election first...it's that simple... As for letting it kick it...it almost certainly will for a bit...anything that deals with it in late January or early February can be made retroactive as many policy analysts have said...also with the election Obama now as new leverage and if he just lets the the tax cuts expire then all the sudden he has even more leverage b/c now whatever they do will be lowering taxes...the "Obama tax cuts and tax reform" and obviously Boehner won't let it go w/ out the "Obama spending cuts."...at least some guy on POTUS channel was talking about it that way the other day...makes sense he had me convinced it will kick in and Boehner said it won't be dealt with in lame duck (I think) Anyway....this saga will be over covered by the media as if it's the end of the world but the bottom line is there will be something by next February and likely a more comprehensive plan by the end of next year that sets things up for a while... Also I haven't read Woodard's book...I wonder if there is anything better at this point out sort of forward looking as opposed to backwards looking...I would like to get something....

3rd, as kindly as I can from me to you I ask you, please...please just approach Obama as a man who you disagree with politically...but not as the man certain personalities would have you believe he is. He is not trying to intentionally raise prices on us...it is true that he is focused on new energy sources and conservation, however there is not some conspiracy to spike the price of gas at the same time he is desperately trying (however much you may disagree with his methods) to get the economy going. It is probably true he does not see the future of energy the same way a few really pro-oil guys do, but he's not trying to spike our price at the pump. And there really isn't a whole lot any policy of his could do to lower our gas prices.

President isn't the God of oil and gas prices. In late 2008 prices were low and going down b/c world demand was dropping due to crash.

I guess when you get 5 House Seats for a Billion dollars people raise some eyebrows. http://www.bloomberg...e-of-money.html The Republican strategist created the model for outside money groups that raised and spent more than $1 billion on the Nov. 6 elections -- many of which saw almost no return for their money. Rove, through his two political outfits, American Crossroads and Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies, backed unsuccessful Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney with $127 million on more than 82,000 television spots, according to Kantar Media’s CMAG, an ad tracker based in New York. Down the ballot, 10 of the 12 Senate candidates and four of the nine House candidates the Rove groups supported also lost their races. The results have angered some Republicans who blame Rove for “sidelining conservatives” and diverting money from them. “Right now there is stunned disbelief that Republicans fared so poorly after all the money they invested,” said Brent Bozell, president of For America, an Alexandria-based nonprofit that advocates for Christian values in politics. “If I had 1/100th of Karl Rove’s money, I would have been more productive than he was.” Donald Trump posted a message on Twitter saying: “Congrats to @KarlRove on blowing $400 million this cycle. Every race @CrossroadsGPS ran ads in, the Republicans lost. What a waste of money.”

Haha, look I'm not going to argue with you about this you can think whatever you want. For the most part, it's pretty obvious that VP picks are attempts to round out a ticket in some way. Cheney was in charge of finding Bush a VP, and ended up being the VP. So you can look at that however you want.