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I certainly did not see it coming. He was really bad last year for Jacksonville..........but for a team to eat $20M on a mid-level contract like that is a drastic maneuver. I figured they'd give it one more try and hope that the trash he put on tape was just a fluke. Apparently didn't take them as long as it did for Beane to realize he was a disaster as a WR2.

Like I've told you before, I call out your BS because you have potential to be much more than a checker-playing thumb fisher. When you hyperbolize and gaslight and lie it undermines your effort and keeps you at the kids table of the discussion. The casual Bills fan wants the answer to the Bills playoff woes to be one simple thing. It's not. They need to be better wrt personnel and coaching on both sides of the ball in the playoffs. Their WR room lacks difference making talent. To a lesser extent, but notably, so does their pass rush. Their young OC's have been out-coached 3 years in a row by savvy veteran DC's in Spags and Anarumo. Their defensive coaching has not been able to throw curveballs at KC or Cinci in the postseason the way Spags has. However..... They've thrown 6 significant personnel chips at the pass rush this offseason. Brady is more "seasoned" after twice falling prey to Spags. And they've brought in respected defensive minds from very different systems to hopefully address the lack of variety on D. It might not work but those are moves that should yield improvement. All they've done to address WR is replace Cooper and Hollins with a couple of 500 yard veterans who haven't produced as WR1's or WR2's at the NFL level. Let alone be difference makers. Moore in particular has horrible analytics. Coleman and Kincaid *could* improve but they were just terrible late last year. If they were defensive players they wouldn't be getting handed jobs back with little or no competition like they are now. The failure to address the WR issue is glaring. Beane knows it's the area of need he hasn't done the most at. That's why he is testy about it.

They can't go back to the mistakes. They already are taking a risk bringing in Moore.......who had 8 INT's thrown his way when targeted last year. Gabe was good for 6 in both 2022 and 2023. Jacksonville got the whole Gabe experience last year. He had some killer drops, errors and then would catch a TD after the game was out of hand and pad his stats. That's why they ate $20M.

He's "too" a lot of things that aren't good. He doesn't have professional level hands, he is not a good route runner and he was consistently not where Josh Allen expected him to be. They didn't "improve" the WR corps last offseason but they got rid of a lot of interceptions when they let Gabe go. Those turnovers were critical to regular season performance. You are still going to get beaten deeper in the playoffs without difference makers but we did see the difference not turning the ball over made during the regular season.

I had heard that Gabe was in Buffalo yesterday from an attorney friend........I don't know why, maybe it was just an event or something but then to hear he was cut today I half expect Beane to offer Wrong Way Gabe $6M or something to come back. He always finds a way to overpay former Bills.

You literally said it was a fact that the 2024 Bills were the 16th greatest offense. There was no context behind it, which is the first indicator that something is subjective and not fact. Then said your fact was a subjective take not a fact as if you hadn't lead with "facts". Shystie. And like I said........you claimed they had the "most points" in the AFC playoffs without noting that they played one more game than anyone else. THEN you said that you had stated points per game. That was a lie. Shystie I didn't dispute that the Bills scored slightly more per game. But it's ridiculous to take pride in a 2 game sample size versus a 3 game sample size when the other team literally outscored you in one of those games. Just clownish attempt to manipulate an argument(which wasn't with me, btw, you were trying to pull your BS on someone else). I am just pointing out that you are full of sh!t and regularly, intentionally use false information in your arguments. I called you out. As I often do. And you don't like it. So peace out TO YOU, shyster. 😂

Yep. Allen has had his moments where he's made mistakes in the clutch. But when they've failed in the clutch it's WAY too often because of the pass catchers. The 2023 loss to KC was largely on Allen and Brady (with an assist to Chris Jones) for foiling their idiotic play call after the 2 minute warning. But Allen made the play this year. If Kincaid just catches that arm punt it may go down as one of the greatest plays by Allen, recovering from being fooled by a great call by Spags.

It matters because when put in context.........they scored the 33rd all-time most points per game in the 5th highest scoring year ever........what that tells you is that it was NOT a historic offensive season. Not even the Bills best offense ever when you consider the point differential versus league average. That was the 1975 Bills. Your point about the Bills scoring the most points in the AFC playoffs doesn't account for the fact that they were the only team that played 3 games. I mean you can't even pick a lane. And after insisting your stats....err "facts".......were definitive proof that poor defense deserves all the blame for the team not advancing to a SB then you suddenly are asking for subjectivity on your facts. 😂

Shame on you @Mikey152 for fake-claiming a lie from Kirby. Brandon Beane himself has literally bragged about scoring 7 more points per game with Cooper as a defense for trading the 3rd round pick.

You said one thing.........said that you said another thing altogether because it didn't track........and now you are trying to meld them together in a form that doesn't account for the difference in games played in the last 4 seasons compared to the 16 and 14 game seasons post merger. It's comically shystie and further undermines your greatly exaggerated takes. 3 of the top 5 scoring seasons(per game) since the merger have been since 2020. The Bills have ranked very near the top in scoring in 2 of those years. They had a great 8 game run. If they hadn't struggled in Baltimore, Houston and NY because of bad WR play they might have been closer to the Lions. And those defense's weren't even playing that well at the time. Baltimore was near the bottom in pass defense at the time. Receiving talent on offense and pass rushers on defense have been the biggest shortcomings. It's just funny that when the defense was at the top of the league they were throwing the kitchen sink at pass rush but when the offense has the same issue.........high rank but a clear weakness........they aren't doing the same.

Dude you literally said the "16th greatest offense in NFL history" and are trying to lie now. Like I said.......the hyperbole is not necessary. They've had 2 great scoring seasons and 2 great points allowed seasons since 2020. They simply haven't been good enough on either side of the ball when it counts.

This data says the 2024 team was 33rd all time........in the 5th highest scoring per game season since the merger. https://mcubed.net/nfl/ptmpfpg.shtml Says the 2020 team was 29th........in the highest scoring season since the merger. And the 1975 Bills team is 50th. The 1975 team is actually the highest scoring relative to the league that year with 9.4 points above league average. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/scoring.htm

Well the lowest scoring 16 game schedule team on that statmuse data is 31.9 points per game............so I don't know if it's even 22nd. And everything is relative. 2024 was the 5th highest scoring ppg season since the AFL/NFL merger. If you weren't the #1 scoring team in your season don't tell me how all-time great you are. Don't need that hyperbole. They were very good. Their defense was also that good in 2021 and 2022. Point being........gotta' be that good deep into the playoffs for it to matter much historically.

Yeah you were confused. You can't compare 16 game seasons to 17 game seasons using bulk points. And since you chose points as the primary data.......it throws the ppg data off as well. Example........The 1975 Bills also scored 30 points per game(420 with an 8-6 record). They are not listed in the ppg, which falls below 30 when you get to 25th on the data you chose.

And like I said........the 2024 Bills were not the 16th best offense all time..........did you mean the 16th best "AFC" offense ever?😂

Facts? The Lions scored more points in the regular season......2.3 more per game......which is a significant difference. The Eagles scored the most points in NFL postseason history.....obviously? How were you confused that the Bills scored more? They put up 95 in the NFCCG and SB alone. So those were not facts you posted. So here are the facts: The Bills were second in the NFL in scoring last season. They were 1st in fewest points allowed in 2021 and second in 2022. Also another further clarification for things you wrote subsequently..... The 2024 Bills weren't the 16 highest scoring offense of all time. There have been at least 16 higher ppg scoring teams just since 2000. Including the 2015 Panthers that nobody remembers as an offensive juggernaut. There is no need for grand hyperbole. They have at times been a great regular season offense and a great regular season defense under McBeane. They've never been either when they've advanced beyond the divisional round in the postseason under McBeane.

The fact that you have to ask me is your problem. I can relate to those of you stuck in a state of suspended adolescence where you feel that your happiness is out of your control. Because I was a kid. But that semi-incarcerated experience is supposed to push you out of the nest. I worked hard and smart, fortune favored that, and I got everything I'll ever want at an early age. Entertainment is just entertainment to me. Being a Bills fan is a lifestyle but Bills football is just a hobby. I pay them a lot of money so I am entitled to hold them to the underlying promise that all pro sports teams make with their fans in exchange for suspending their disbelief regarding the team belonging to the community/fans. The promise that they are doing their best to win championships. Football is a highly competitive blood sport(by todays standards). That said, a SB win would only matter to me because it will be a couple more days to party. After the parade is over it's back to business as usual. No ring. No trophy. My mlb team and family school have won a combined 11 WS and NC's in football in my life. It's fun, you buy a shirt and it's something to rib other teams fans about. It doesn't materially change anything. The journey is the reward.

I'd love to see the data. I don't believe in picking individual games based on last year but as a whole I think perceived strong or weak schedules don't often result in the opposite. What HAS been very predictable for the last 25 years is the AFC East. One team is going to be good and the rest are going to be their chew toys.

2nd and 9 is worse than 13 seconds because the strategy they concocted during the timeout was inherently flawed. They had nearly executed a SB XXV level game of keep-away and lost their minds in the clutch. All the debate about kicking the ball short or into the end zone on 13 seconds only matters because they didn't execute in the final 13 seconds. 1 adequately defended defensive play and the game is over. The attempted longshot to Shakir after the two minute warning was damned if it worked AND if it didn't. Ultimately, we just aren't allowed to talk about failures that Josh Allen could be considered at all accountable for. The media and fans alike are terrified to be critical of him. And for multiple reasons. They don't want him to want to leave. And we've seen choking become habitual with the Kelly era Bills so we don't want to fracture his confidence. The truth is we feel that he is more important to the organization/community than any SB win he could generate. He's bigger than the brand. I can't really think of a similar situation in sports. Maybe Giannis with the Bucks? I don't know. The problem with being that way is you can't get to the truth if you omit what you wish you hadn't seen. My contention is that the lack of playmakers in the passing game has set him up for failure. He's personally thrown away his share of games with bad decisions late over his career. If he has Travis Kelce putting up 100 yards per game in the playoffs every year maybe he still doesn't win them all or even 3 of 5 like Mahomes. But we may never know what it would look like for him to have a guy who makes a difference playing with Allen in the playoffs.

We've been clutch???? 13 seconds was one game. It's the only one of their 6 playoff losses(or 2 divisional round wins) where Allen and the offense played well offensively at the end. They've been awful in the clutch offensively. This is what I mean about too many Bills fans being myopic on the topic.

Yeah there was still about 1:45 left when KC ran the clock out after the Bass miss the year prior too. The details are that the offense had the opportunity to burn most or all of the clock in both instances. But came up well short of the end zone and that's why KC had the ball last. They especially had the clock in hand in the January 2024 game. If Allen takes the wide open check down to Diggs on 2nd and 9 after the 2 minute warning then it's almost certainly at worst 3rd and short and KC had zero timeouts left. Instead they tried one of the great nonsensical plays in Bills history. Tried to complete a 30 air yard pass to their slot receiver which would have only served to give the ball to the most clutch QB of this era with 2 minutes left to play 4 down football. Just a brain dead decision by Brady/Allen. This past loss they were much less successful on that last drive. Not even close to a score and that's why there was enough clock left for KC to need a first down. Hell, with the pace they were moving at offensively they might have had to hurl another 30 air yard pass in the end zone as time was expiring. And that was after Buffalo failed to get 10 yards on 4 downs the drive prior. Offense just totally sh!t the bed down the stretch. Defense bailed them out after Allen couldn't tush push detectably past the line to gain with a sack of Mahomes that stopped the KC drive. But hey, you know all the details.

To the first highlighted, they didn't score on two drives of 4 down offense to lose those Chiefs games. In the imaginary world where clutch doesn't outweigh what you do in the first 50 minutes or so of a game then it only seems WORSE when you can't score when punting isn't an option and the defense is playing with their tongues hanging out. The closing minutes of a close game are where you see what people are capable of when they are fully invested. Clutch is everything because it's the only time when the vast majority of the people involved know the full consequence of not going all out in that moment. Human nature creates as many close games as a similarity in talent. Coaches coach themselves into close games, player effort/focus tends to fluctuate in the mundane moments of games. If the talent is close the game will usually be close at the end. It's why performing in the clutch earns such respect. When everyone is going 100% the best men generally make the plays and win the game. Difference makers. I do feel like they lost some ground to KC on paper. I think they finally got a LT. I think they are getting more dynamic offensively around Mahomes. Rice blew up in the second half of his rookie year and was on a 1400 yard pace when he got injured. Worthy was ascending rapidly and was great in the AFCCG and SB. Difference making talent. Baltimore got better in the draft too. They didn't have to draft for need like Buffalo, which bodes well for their result. And no, on paper our pass rush is not better. Ogunjobi and Hoecht did not have productive years rushing the passer. Von Miller was a much more efficient pass rusher than Bosa in 2024. History tells us not to expect much from second round DL talent as rookies. They got more name bodies and swapped out a seemingly washed up HOF'er for a younger but also seemingly washed up Hall of Very Good(but always injured) player. A lot has to go better this year than it did for these guys last year for it to be "much better". Not sure how you can assume it will. The secondary might be better if Max Hairston is really good. Who knows if that's the case. You have to anticipate continued decline from Taron Johnson. Tre White and Dane Jackson were trash in 2024 and fingers crossed that Benford's concussion issues at the end don't carry over because if he's not excellent again the secondary gets a lot worse. Agreed that the offense didn't get better. They had career years from Allen(decision making, protecting the ball), James Cook and the entire OL(health). It is unlikely to replicate those performances so they will need other players to step up to maintain.

Henceforth we can presume no 3rd round pick in 2026.

Oh there is doubt about that. They just haven't played well defensively(regardless of seasonal rank) and have repeatedly choked in the clutch offensively in their losses. What there is no doubt about is that they haven't had enough difference makers. McDermott and Beane even vocalized that in no uncertain terms at the end of the season. They haven't had those guys. I think some people don't want to reference that because they know that nobody they acquired projects as a difference maker based on their most recent results. This is not like the wide right Bills.......the Josh Allen Bills are falling 2-3 wins short of the prize every year. Hell the two divisional round games they won against the Ravens they were bad offensively and the defense got them thru with turnovers/big plays. It's just hard to get thru a series of really good teams in the playoffs when you don't have a Chris Jones or Travis Kelce to finish games and the opponent does.