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7 hours ago, zevo said:
I couldn't agree more. He is incredible and we are blessed to have him. But I need elevation in that moment. The great ones always do.
Josh Allen is my favorite Bills player ever and I think he's the best Bill ever.
But what he has in common with the guys directly behind him on that list is that none of them performed with anything resembling regularity at their highest level in the clutch. Thurman had one great SB out of 4. Kelly was 0-4. Ditto for the other HOF'ers from that team Bruce and Andre. OJ had one playoff game as a Bill and had an awful performance(14 carries for 49 yards).
Josh Allen has been really prolific in wildcard games against clearly inferior opponents(except the one loss, to Houston). None of those teams were SB contenders. That record against a tired Phil Rivers, Mack Jones, Skylar Thompson, Mason Rudolph and rookie Bo Nix has made Allen statistically one of the more efficient playoff QB's ever. Which really only serves to confuse Bills fans.
We need to keep in mind that Brady and Mahomes didn't/don't play in those games every year like JA17 does.
So after 5 final game flameouts, including two horrible full game performances......and two less than stellar performances in both of his divisional round wins versus Baltimore.........I think it's myopic to think that Josh Allen doesn't need high end skill talent around him on offense.
Tom Brady wasn't perfect, he had the ball late in a couple of SB losses and didn't cash in(Eagles and Giants). He had the ball late in the other Giants loss where Wes Welker let one go thru his hands like Kincaid did in January......that still counts as a failure to finish. But Brady's career was loaded with big playoff game heroics. Often bailing out NE defense's that seemed to get figured out and fall apart in the second half.
Brady was like 75%+ money in divisional, CG and SB's.
Allen was in his bag in just 1 of 7 of those types of games. The two should not be compared.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
The addition of Moore to me means the Bills have four proven high end #3 receivers: Palmer, Shakir, Moore and Samuel. With Josh Allen throwing them the ball at least a couple of those guys are capable of putting up at least WR2 type numbers. And then Coleman's development and the role of Kincaid are kinda the wildcards for me.
@Alphadawg7 is not going to like you calling Shakir a WR3. He is, because the slot requires less of the skill that makes WR a premium position, so being slot-only lowers one's value. It's manifested in the Bills offense by the fact that they feel it's best that he come off the field as much as he does. So I gotta' agree with Gunner here @LEBills.
But yeah, Coleman is the key, obviously. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he develops that quickly, I figured it was a 3 year project at least.
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10 hours ago, Motorin' said:
It's true that he doesn't prepare like Brady and needs more help.
But Brady also had championship caliber defenses that held his opponents to an average of 20 points in their 6 Super Bowl victories.
In the Bills 5 loses since 2020 the Defense has given up an average of 33 points.
Giving Allen more help also includes giving him a championship caliber defense so he only has to score 21-24 points to win a Super Bowl.
In this century the average defensive rank of teams that won the SB is about 8th.
So that's what championship caliber looks like.
The Bills have had better than "championship caliber" defense's more often than not in Josh Allen's playoff career.
But no matter their rank and skill level on D the McDefense's have always played badly in the end on defense.
And Josh Allen's offense's have failed in the clutch with the ball in his hands and a chance to win the game first against Houston and now two consecutive years against KC and they also had horrific performances in defeat in between against KC(2020) and Cinci(2022).
Josh Allen only finished strong in 1 of his 6 playoff defeats(13 seconds) but for some reason we give his offense a pass despite not getting it done in the clutch.
I say "his" offense because, like McD on D, Allen is the constant on offense.
Organizationally they play poorly in the playoffs. They gotta' get better on BOTH sides of the ball in the playoffs.
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18 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:
I'm drooling over Nyck Harbor. I'm seeing him listed at 6'5" 235 and running a 4.24 40. Essentially, he's bigger and faster than Megatron. That's hard to do.
Great size and speed but the question is whether he will ever start looking like a wide receiver. He's looked about as nimble footed as Frankenstein or a poor man's Justin Shorter and makes Gabe Davis hand work at the catch point look professional grade. That is, when he actually uses his hands, which is rare. Fortunately for him he has a well regarded QB passing him the ball so if he puts the work in and actually has the ability needed it should show this season.
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On 4/27/2025 at 9:08 PM, BuffaloRebound said:
Daryl Porter of music city miracle infamy’s kid?
Yes. I assume he is here because of his connection to Addae from his U of Miami days. Camp body. Wasn't very good in college so shouldn't have to worry about him making the team and not staying in his lane on ST's.
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4 hours ago, BrettFavre said:
A Pars Defect is absolutely something "heals."
I have a friend who is a longtime general practitioner and he told me it's a common injury for dudes with fat f#cking guts who are trying to watch what they are doing when they are hitting the GF from behind. Which tracks for a 20 year old with a bulbous boiler like he has on him. So might be wishful thinking expecting a full recovery. 😂
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7 hours ago, H2o said:
If you go back and look at the SB's New England won with Brady, it's either middle of the pack WR's or one good WR and a good TE. He never had a plethora or riches at the position until he got to Tampa. He won 6 rings prior to that and got a lot of mediocre guys paid. Peyton Manning, on the other hand, had good WR's (one HOF'er) while in Indy, a HOF RB in Edgerrin James, and Dallas Clark. He still only got one Lombardi in that time because the Pats, Steelers, and Ravens pretty much ran things in the AFC.
The Bills lost their last 2 playoff games when Allen made mental errors with the ball in his hands and a chance to win those games.
But we are supposed to compare him to the ultimate preparer and 24/7/365 football obsessed competitor.......the most money in the clutch decision making QB EVER in Tom Brady?
For what? To humor you?
Josh Allen is a great player. And an obsessive golfer, connoisseur of brown alcohol and lover of a whole lot of other things away from football. He's a guy who going into his 8th year and says he is going to work on understanding pre-snap reads better. 😂
He's much more relatable to the common man BECAUSE he's working to live and not living to work.
But because he ain't going to work like the GOAT........he needs more help than the GOAT.
Like basically EVERY QB ever needs more help than Tom Brady did.
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24 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Plenty. Jaguars, Cardinals, and Patriots right off the top of my head.
ESPECIALLY the Patriots. Good God.
Josh won an MVP. That isn't happening with the WORST receiver group in the NFL.
And the thing that drives me absolutely nuts on this board is the complete impatience of people when it comes to development. If a guy doesn't ball out in his rookie year, he is a bust according to a big % of this forum. Kincaid I understand. Heading into year 3 it is crucial for him. He also had that big drop against KC which he's lucky he isn't scrutinized more for. Keon Coleman? I simply don't get it at all. 556 and 4 TDs averaging 20 yards a catch is SOLID. He can absolutely build on that. Also, this offense is more of a ball distribution philosophy of getting it to the open guy. Josh Allen seems so much more relaxed w/ this concept. Career lows in both sacks & interceptions. He's getting the ball out quick & decisively.
Beane went off on that interviewer which was amazing. Bills averaged more points than the SB winners. The defense is what needs help. I hope McDermott considers bringing in a new philosophy if they come up short once again because of a crap showing against KC.
Kincaid you understand? No, you don't apparently. Year 3 is typically the breakout year for TE's. Yeah he's old as dirt for a 3rd year TE but this is the year TE's are expected to break out. There isn't reason to believe in it but this is the make or break year. Star rookie TE's like LaPorta and Bowers are very unusual.
But WR's who elevate to stud status in the second half of their rookie year are pretty common. That's the concern with Coleman. His rookie season reads like this.......looked promising early because he was being force fed........then fell FLAT ON HIS FACE at the end of the season.
I personally thought he was a 3 year project when they drafted him but WR's selected early usually breakout early. Slow buildups like Davante Adams(my Coleman ceiling comp) are not the norm. These WR's are so much more polished entering the league now than they were 15 years ago.
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10 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:
Stats don't tell the full story.
Chargers were a balanced offense, Browns played from behind and needed to throw more. Moore caught a TON of short passes, good for him.
Palmer was used all over the field and is thr closest thing we have to a true outside receiver. Moore is moved around, but is a shifty slot- he'd be someone I'd like "moore" if we didn't have Samuel.
Not saying it would be a bad signing. He's an upgrade on our current WR5/depth, I'd trust him as a backup slot. He also brings return ability.
I'm for the signing, just making the point he isnt near Palmer and is a strict depth/return type signing. There's a reason we went after Palmer and gave him a very good contract.
Again, stats don't tell the story. Robert Foster also put up stats - on a horribly talent deficient WR room.. some guys get stats because someone has to. Moore isn't Foster, but he's not matching the targets if he comes here.
For the required $4M.....because of his tag......Moore would be a bad signing. That's why he's still out there. He's a reclamation project and nobody really wants to pay $4M for a flyer who looks like he has lost any juice he once had.
But options are THAT limited because teams know to horde WR talent. You can pick up this quality of player at a lot of positions for league minimum.
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49 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
Palmer over priced? Check https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2025/position/wr/sort/contract_average
Palmer had 39 catches for 584 last year and the 34th highest paid WR at $9.67m
By comparison some in his range
Tutu Atwell 42 562 getting $10m
Dyami Brown 30 308 getting $10m
Allen Lazard 37 530 getting $11m
Gabe Davis 20 239 getting $13m
Yes, overpriced.
72nd in receiving yardage and 115th in receptions.
And yes, there are some other overpaid WR's in the NFL.
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46 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:
I agree that this was and remains a problem, but I just did not see a realistic way how to fix it this off-season. There were two options maybe, trade for DK Metcalf who I am not sure I would be willing to pay and maybe trade up for Golden which would cost quite a lot (and just like with BTJ, we have no idea if there was a trade partner).
Drafting a WR in the 4th or later round was extremely unlikely to help us in this department.
If anything, fixing defense at least gives us a chance for the game with Chiefs to be different. And it seems that Beane did everything he could in this draft to try it.
First off, they quite obviously should have done a better job addressing the position in the prior 3 drafts. They can triple dip on DL and DB this draft but couldn't double up on WR in a very deep 2024 draft?
But given the circumstance they'd put themselves in, trading for DK was definitely the play.
The trade price was right, give them a 2 and a day 3 pick to beat Pittsburgh's offer. Whether some fans were sure about paying him market rate or not he was like the IDEAL fit for their biggest need.......a deep threat they can keep on the field in every down. It's not a secret that the next free agent WR class is poor and the strength of this draft was defense. The WR class next year will probably look a lot like this past one, except this past one looked A LOT better on paper at this time last year. So 2-3 seasons may pass before you get a surer thing than DK was.
Palmer looks like an over-priced half-measure by comparison. Hopefully I am wrong about that but I just don't see an 8 figure aav boundary WR there.
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3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I didn't know about the passer rating. And I certainly don't claim to be an Elijah Moore expert. But how much of that is on him and how much of that is on the QB's in Cleveland last year?
I just see a guy who's got 4.35 speed, just turned 25 years old, and averages 541 yards a season (538 last season). And a guy who's never had a good QB, after spending '21 and '22 with the Jets and '23 and '24 with the Browns.
Though I respect your assessment. But like you said, if the option is Shavers or a guy who has produced and has blazing speed - I'd take him to at least see if he works out on Camp. If for nothing else to have someone who could stretch the field.
I think you have to experience him over the course of time to see why he sucks. I'd sum it up that he's a very small target......you have to put it right on him..... with no contested catch ability and no YAC ability. Not what you expect from a 4.35 guy. Having Jameis as your QB will hurt your passer rating (8 interceptions were Moore targets last year) but he's never been a positive passer rating guy.
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9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
This isn't a surprise. I mentioned his name alongside Chark a number of times after the Draft ended.
If you value speed, in a WR that's under 30, that's had production in this league - Elijah Moore and DJ Chark are pretty much the only options out there.
Chark is older and had an injury riddled 2024. So them preferring Moore makes sense. Hopefully they learned from 2024 and will strike fast following the Draft instead of waiting and missing out on the top guys left (when they had to settle for MVS and Claypool).
Moore is available because he was one of the worst regular WR in the league last year. He never developed past mediocre and then last year he was a bad thing waiting to happen when thrown the ball. A 44 passer rating? I didn't even know that was possible. MVS was much more likely to hit and he was clearly washed.
But when Tyrell Shavers is your WR5 you can't do worse with anyone who got any volume of regular snaps at boundary WR last year.
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9 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:
I don't believe Beane had placed much value in the WR class this year. That's cool.
It's cool only if he's is proven right.
The closest thing he's had to hits at WR since he took over the Bills war room 7 drafts ago are Shakir and Davis. Who have accounted for just 2 seasons of over 800 yards in their combined 7 with Buffalo.
That's not cool.
The last time there was such justified angst about him not acquiring WR talent was the 2019 draft when he just kept passing on WR in favor of guys like Cody Ford and Devin Singletary. AJ Brown and DK Metcalf went after Ford. Terry McLaurin went right after Singlecontract. Deebo Samuel went 2 picks before Cody Ford.
For such a bad WR draft it produced some of the biggest playmakers in the game at WR.
And Beane missed entirely.
Which then lead to having to build a top 3 WR corps of free agents and a high priced veteran who required a 1st round pick to acquire.
Even a Darius Slayton from that 2019 "bad" WR draft would be valuable on this deep threat bereft roster.
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20 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Yep it’s that old “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take” thing. They don’t even take shots unless you count Márquez StevensonYeah but what are you going to do? They weren't the best players on the board!😉
If the scouts helping you stack the board keep providing scores where the likes of Cody Ford is better than WR's AJ Brown, Terry McLaurin and DK Metcalf......the WR's just never seem to stack up on initial inspection............then *maybe* find some different f#cking scouts.
This draft was a lot like that 2019 draft for WR. 2019 was declared a terrible WR draft and some teams treated it that way and were punished for it for passing on the likes of the aforementioned. To the contrary, this draft was all about DT and some teams got a little carried away with it. Deone Walker probably would have gone 6th round or undrafted in 2024. Like Leonard Taylor to the Jets last year. Just so OBVIOUSLY a guy who should have to prove it.
But the rising tide sometimes raises ships that don't deserve it.
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22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
@BADOLBILZ will be here to tell you that not much would change with better quarterbacks
He was force fed football's his whole career by NFL quarterbacks.. and even below average NFL quarterbacks can force feed in NFL superstar to crazy stats.. Josh Gordon had 1700 yards with ghosts throwing him the football
An old Jim Kelly got Andre Reed thousand yards.. Quinn early like 800... Eric moulds had like 275
He took a little bit to blossom, could physically dominate, but also had streaks where he was not consistent and he never became a top route runner
That's why Jim Kelly didn't throw him the ball cuz he wasn't where he was supposed to be.. he's one of the most physically gifted wrs but he also had inconsistency issues
Andre Johnson went for 14,000 yards with nothing special at quarterback.. that's the difference between the Hall of famer and the close guy
Andre Johnson's consistency with mediocre teams
Yeah I mean Moulds averaged 150 targets per year from 2000-2004. Some people act like he was just running free and they weren't throwing him the ball. He wasn't a guy who excelled at getting open. The routes he got open the most on were comebacks where he could push off at the top of the route. And like you said, he was inconsistent so sometimes he'd have planted a CB on a push off and would drop a 7 yard pass that hit him in the hands chest high with nobody within 10 feet of him. This is not a guy that the good west coast offense's of the day or Mike Martz were going to appreciate. He was NOT open, reliable and efficient. He was perfectly matched with Bledsoe in particular. Two guys that looked way better on the hoof than they actually played and could put up big numbers on bad teams.
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18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’m not going to MMQB it because I liked the Kincaid pick at the time (or at least didn’t hate it). With the benefit of hindsight though, both Rice and Puka are far superior players.
I liked the Kincaid pick too. But he has sucked. I suspected they knew more about him as a competitor than I do. When talking about Coleman's poor finish to the season they mentioned that at least he is going into the offseason knowing he hasn't made it yet unlike what some players do who have modest success early. They were obviously implying that Dalton Kincaid thought he had arrived as a rookie and didn't understand just how much harder he was going to have to work simply not to regress, let alone improve from his modest start.
5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:Rice who missed most if not of the season? Puka was a major hit by the Rams I don't think anyone would have bet on him being that good.
I mean........Puka set the NFL record for receiving yards as a rookie. That's like a Bears fan saying "yeah, but if we didn't pick Trubisky which QB would you have taken?". 😂
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1 hour ago, ddaryl said:
Bills TE receiving records not the NFL TE records. He is 1st overall for receptions by a TE, He is 2nd overall for yards.
Knox hasn't exactly lit it up with his contract either, and yet both players are here and better than most of the TEs we've rolled through
In fact Kincaid has been the better offensive weapon of the 2 - TEs by a sizeable chunk
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3930086/dawson-knox
https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4385690/dalton-kincaid
I do not understand AT ALL the negative posts coming from people against Kinkaid. He had a semi down year with injury, but so did Knox the year before but at a stiffer salary cost.Knox has been criticized aplenty on TSW. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Not sure what you think the links you posted represent but it's apples and oranges. Knox is a real, inline TE. And still.......when targeted he has been WAY more effective than Kincaid. He just isn't put out in the route every snap like Kincaid was as a rookie. Your bulk catch/yard stats don't show that Allen has had a much higher passer rating when targeting the more dynamic Knox.
Kincaid was the first TE the Bills ever drafted to not actually play TE. That's the only reason why he has one of the most modest and unimpressive team records on the books. He was nothing more than a slot receiver as a rookie and his production was high volume and toothless.
When Cole Beasley flamed out in 2021 he could still play patty-cake with the QB in front of the sticks like Kincaid has. Caught the same 82 passes as in 2020 but for almost 300 less total yards. 11.8 ypc down to 8.5. He could not get past the sticks consistently with RAC like he had in prior years when he had some spring left in his legs. Kincaid has that same malady and he was only 24 and 25 in his first 2 seasons not washed and old like Cole. He is two years in and STILL averages less than 10 yards per grab for his career and has a knack for not being able to fight for the extra yardage to move the chains.
With Kincaid not getting the job done in the slot they tried to diversify his role and have him play some TE and he didn't respond well to a more physical role. His hands became suspect and he couldn't catch a contested pass to save his life. He is a talented athlete but has proven thus far to be way too soft for the job he is needed to do and has been a huge disappointment. And McBeane were basically saying the same thing I am when they were critical of him after the season.
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2 hours ago, Pete said:
Interesting signing. 2020 3rd round pick. 6’4 311. Started 18-26 games, struggled some. Lost starting job to Kevin Datsun, who signed a $48 million contract. Got traded to Texans, and got injured. 9.23 RAS score. Aaron Kromer is the best teacher and great at converting RAS to OL success. This, and OL 2026 consideration. Cyrus about to get paid.
After playing himself into shape in the season last year instead of showing up to camp ready.........I wouldn't be surprised if Torrence loses his job if he does that this time around. Not to Green but maybe Anderson or Grable wins one of those guard spots.
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2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
IDK why I never knew this or heard it brought up before on this forum, but Eric Moulds has the all-time receiving yard record in the playoffs. He put up 240 yards during 98 wildcard against the Dolphins. Absolutely insane. I knew Moulds was very very good during his heyday, but I have done a deep dive into his career (I tend to spend the offseasons watching old Bills games and also specific Buffalo legends) and I didn’t realize the sheer dominance he had when given decent QB play.
By no means was he a slouch, he’s 5 yards short of a 10k career, but this guy really could’ve been up there with Reed/ Largent/ Reggie Wayne/ Holt. Those guys all had HOF passers. Are there any other examples of players like Moulds who had atrocious QBs and never achieved their full potential? Or players with crappy supporting casts in general that were much better than fans give them credit for ?
Then on the other end we have Gabe Davis with the most receiving Touchdowns in a playoff game (who can forget that?) Too bad he couldn’t stop dropping the ball. Gabe Davis could’ve been a Wayne Chrebet/Ed McCaffrey type legend in Western NY. Not insane stats, but some legendary plays and a long-tenured career & go-to target for Josh Allen. His toe-tap catches in a VERY close game against the Phillip Rivers-led Colts were instrumental in the Bills first playoff win in 25 years. A very important player that helped spark the Bills as a major force in the NFL.
It's good that you are learning your Bills history but given that the average age of the members on this board is probably close to 60........I think most of us remember that game. Unfortunately he also fumbled after one of the longer grabs. Carelessness with the football(especially Flutie) cost the Bills a game they should have won with ease.
1998 Moulds was the best WR the Bills have ever had and it's not close. He was unreal. 20.4 yards per catch is insane with that volume. Nothing Andre Reed or Diggs did was as amazing as watching Moulds that year. He had been seen as the slow guy in the first round class of 1996.
The future looked brilliant.
Unfortunately he went overboard on the weight training, got heavy-legged and wasn't nearly the same player after that season. By 2000 he was rarely open.
Fortunately for him he had a succession of physically talented passers who couldn't see the field to save their lives so they just chucked it to him 10 times per game from 2000-2004(his prime).
The idea that he was hindered statistically by the Bills QB play is comical. If he played with a QB who could see the field and find the open man he would have seen a lot less action. There is no way a Josh Allen is just throwing jump balls to him all day like the field-blind Bledsoe.
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9 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:
I’ll also comment that he played on two bad knees
Yep he didn't play well thru injury either. Two bad hands as well.
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31 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
And it is definitely, definitely Dalton Kincaid.
How dare a player, who shattered rookie records, maybe still need to develop.
What "rookie records" did he shatter? He has the 11th most receiving yards by a rookie TE ever.......even though he was really not also used as an inline TE like almost everyone else on the top 25. Shattered? Not close. His 673 is over 500 yards less than the current rookie record. He's also the only one on the top 25 to not even average at least 10 yards per catch. 9.2 is pathetic. Kincaid basically replicated the low impact production from the slot that got Cole Beasley cut after the 2021 season and then followed that up with a much worse sophomore season. Dude is also going to be 26 this year. Not some raw kid.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
As I said above (probably 25 pages ago now) it is a gamble that:
a) you get him properly healthy - which I don't think he has been even when out there for most of the past 3 years; and
b) when healthy the ability remains
I tend to lean more towards the ability (or enough of it) should remain if you can get him healthy. I think a) is by far the bigger risk.
Yeah I think if he can get and stay truly healthy he can still be a force. As he said, he came out of camp feeling good last season and he then had a tremendous start but quickly got hurt and it hampered him all season. He's had such an assortment of injuries it's hard to believe that he won't just keep getting hurt.
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17 minutes ago, Magox said:
It's easy to say that the Bills should have locked up Benford by now but we don't know what he was asking. With that said, his price went up and there is no way that I see that the Bills will let him walk.
The sooner they lock him up the lower they will have to pay. His bag went up probably around $3-$5M more AAV than what it could have been had just 2 weeks ago.
WR's don't get separation against and they don't get too many meaningful catches on him.
The success of Rousseau and Benford more than makes up for the bust picks of Basham and Elam..........but Beane should note that if he is drafting needy like that then he needs to keep taking 2 of them.
Beane has been terrible at pro personnel and hasn't gotten enough star players for our liking in the draft but I do appreciate some of his technique.
Polian, Butler and Donahoe used to drive me crazy with their decisions in the draft. I remember the 1995 draft was absolutely loaded with guard talent and the Bills were a mess on the OL. I felt they needed to come out of that with 2 of those studs. They got Ruben Brown but sat on their hands and drafted Todd Collins in round 2 instead of making a slight move up for one of a BUNCH of tremendous interior OL who were still on the board. You have to draft to the strength of that draft. And especially if you are doing so needily.
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Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?
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Yeah I think you can be a WR2 on the boundary with those bulk numbers(or not, see Gabe averaging 800 his last two in Buffalo and being a WR3 quality).
But from the slot you have to handicap it. There is a lot of easy production to be had from the slot with the free releases and the fact that a certain amount of teams will always keep a nickel quality defender on the slot.
Ideally, you have the talent outside to allow you to put a position versatile WR like prime Diggs or Kupp in the slot and give them those free releases and watch them pile up more nearly twice what a guy like Shakir can.