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  1. 4 minutes ago, Logic said:

    @BADOLBILZ I can send probably like $36 or so to One Bills Drive for Beane to put towards signing a legitimate receiver. Might you consider matching my donation?

    Or like...can YOU play receiver? Do you KNOW anyone that can play receiver? I've heard we're pivoting to big guys who are a load in the run game, so...Is your refrigerator fast when it's running? 

    This is getting dire. We signed QUINTEZ CEPHUS. I had to look that up to make sure it was a real human person. Then we signed a receiver from Canada. CANADA, Badol. 

    I feel like I'm being pranked and the reveal just hasn't happened yet.

     

     

     

    Oh I'm in for $36.  

     

    We gonna' have to get a TBD NIL collective together to help Beane.

     

    Where's that Seminole guy that posts all the draft stuff?  I think he's part of the collective at Food Stamp U that got Keon to go there maybe he can give us some tips.  I nominate @HOUSE as treasurer.

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  2. 2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

    i wasn't referring to the mostly forgettable first season.  'Early years', as in the period when McD called his receiving corps 'the smurfs'.

     

     

    Yeah I got your point but the context is that Allen has actually already been down this particular road before.    The only thing we can say is "well, he was a rookie then".  

     

    But still, it's not new territory for this regime.   They've just come full circle back to 2017 with this corps.    It's definitely a bottom 10 group on paper and that might be being generous.  

     

    The concept that the Chiefs have shown and proved that you don't need quality is flawed by the fact that they've been trying hard to not let their WR corps diminish.    They've picked a WR in the 1st or 2nd round each of the past 3 drafts and traded day 2 capital for Toney as well.    They've been trying hard to be better.   It wasn't their strategy.

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  3. 2 hours ago, SoMAn said:

    Polar opposite of the smurfs from Allen's early days.

     

     

    Actually in Allen's rookie season his top three targeted wide receivers were between 6'2" and 6'5".  

     

    And the other targets included that 6'4" stiff Andre Holmes and of course Charles Clay.

     

    Lil' Dummy McKenzie was the only smurf and he got like 30 targets. 

     

    That strategy began in 2017 signing Holmes, trading for 6'3" Jordan Matthews and 6.5" Kelvin Benjamin.

     

    It proved to be disastrous to their passing attack so they pivoted in 2019 and 2020 to smaller, quicker receivers.

     

    Beane lamented the error of their ways trying to build around big catch radius guys instead of guys who got open.

     

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  4. 1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

    If Claypool comes in with a mature attitude and Josh can actually hit someone with speed for once, maybe we will have another weapon. If not, we fine bruh!!!

     

     

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  5. 33 minutes ago, wppete said:

     

     

     

    I do wonder if his basketball experience actually has anything to do with his lack of separation on routes.    Basketball is largely played in close quarters and plays made against contested defense get a lot more "likes" from observers.   It's not even close.   I would often slow down on a breakaway to make the defender try hard and look personally defeated at the basket.   It's part of the fun of that game.   I can't relate to "posterizing" an opponent but uncontested dunks aren't sh!t compared to dunking ON an opponent.   Even if the reality is that the opponent was totally out-leveraged and was just compelled to go thru the motion of attempting to stop the play.    

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  6. 20 hours ago, Logic said:

    I really WANT to like Hamler and be excited about him.

    He was a 2nd round pick, and he posted 900 yards and 8 touchdowns as a freshman at Penn State. He's got great speed and quicks.

    The issue is that he just CANNOT stay healthy. He's about as snake-bitten health wise as any player I've ever seen in the NFL. I don't have the laundry list of injuries here in front of me, but it's not pretty. There's a reason that the team that drafted him finally said "enough is enough". After a slightly promising rookie year, he played just 10 games across the next two years combined, during which he posted just 12 total receptions. Then last season it was discovered that he has pericarditis. So he has a chronic condition AND an injury history.

    I'd love him to be past his injury woes as much as the next guy, but to expect him to suddenly break out and be any kind of consistently healthy and consistently productive receiving threat four years after he left college seems ill advised.

    I'll consider him to be in the same boat as Andy Isabella until further notice: A fast guy to compete in training camp, but the odds of him making the 53-man roster and producing seem very low.



     



    Wishful thinking and "potential" only, as far as I can see.

    As BADOL pointed out recently (God, what has my Bills fandom come to when I'm quoting BADOL?!), we don't have a receiver on our roster who has ever posted a 1,000 yard receiving season.

    People feel like Samuel has the potential to do it, but even in his best season under our current OC, he didn't crack 875. 
    People feel like Coleman has the potential to do it, but he's a 20 year old rookie.
    People feel like Shakir will take a big step forward and year three and may be able to do it, but he has yet to prove that he actually can.

    If everyone's most optimistic outlook for our WR corps comes to pass, then the "underrated WRs" take will be true. But how often does the entirety of the most optimistic outlook come to fruition?

    Hope is not a strategy, unless you're the 2024 Buffalo Bills offense, apparently.

     

     

    See......like I said.........I knew you were trending in the right direction.   The truth will set you free. :thumbsup:

     

    The funny thing about that last period where the Bills started a season with nobody in the WR corps who had proven at any point that they could produce 900-1,000 yards in the NFL is that at that time they had a player in Chris Burkett who had lead the entire NFL in yards per reception with a ridiculous 22.99 and had put up over 700 yards in the process in JK's first Bills season in 1986.    It was presumed Burkett was going to just become a force.   Strong parallel to the Shakir situation.   Burkett's game didn't scale up to more usage/attention.   It happens a lot.   The Bills passing offense took a step back and didn't really take off until 3 years later.  

     

    The game was very different then.    It's different than it was 5 years ago in that WR corps around the league are MUCH deeper.   The Diggs/Beasley/Brown/Davis 2020 room that was for sure top 3 in the league wouldn't rank anywhere near that high now.    Teams are trying to stack 3 WR1's if they can.  

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  7. 6 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

    Could the thought be that in a platoon with Cook (and syphoning some of Josh Allen's attempts) it's less likely these issues rear their ugly head?

     

    Davis already has the college wear and tear, but he's not likely to get the same type of volume that Hall and Etienne have been getting. 

     

    The Jets ran the ball 388 times (29th in the NFL) last season - Breece Hall accounted for 223 of those.


    About 60% of the carries were Breece Hall. Dalvin Cook had 67 carries, Zach Wilson had 36 and Israel Abinikanda had 22. 

     

    The Jaguars ran the ball 453 (17th in the NFL) times last season - Etienne accounted for 267 of those.

     

    About 60% of the carries were Travis Etienne. Trevor Lawrence has 70 carries, Tank Bigsby had 50 and D'Ernest Johnson had 41. 

     

    The Bills ran the ball 512 times (5th in the NFL) last season - Cook accounted for 237 of those.

     

    About 45% of the carries were James Cook. Josh Allen had 111 carries, Latavius Murray had 79 and Ty Johnson had 30. 

     

    For the sake of the exercise, let's say the Bills are able to run the ball over 500 times again next season. At a minimum I would think that Ray Davis assumes the 79 carries that Murray had. I think we would all hope that Josh Allen doesn't carry the ball over 100 times next year - let's say he dips down around the 75 times that Mahomes had to carry the ball last year. That would be another 36 carries. Then maybe he steals a few carries from James Cook as well, another 20?

     

    That puts Ray Davis at approximately 135 carries next year. That seems pretty realistic as to what we can support within the offense. 

     

     

    Yeah I could see him getting 135 carries.    Not sure you can roll back that odometer though.   850 touches is a sh!t-ton for a rookie NFL RB to enter the NFL with today.   I've just always been skeptical of the high mileage picks and in recent years Etienne and Hall immediately blew knees out after toting the rock a ton during the season and then competing in the draft process all offseason.

  8. 2 minutes ago, Cash said:


    Interesting, because I’ve read the opposite: that high-usage guys in college tend to be high-usage guys in the NFL. (Until they eventually break down.)

     

    Also, regarding Cook: Totally get the hands complaint, but where are the other two coming from? Especially instincts - any plays stand out where he had bad instincts?

     

     

    Yeah Cook is just so-so as a decision maker after the handoff.   It's hit and miss.  That's instinct to me but also a function of intelligence/preparedness.  He's not CJ Spiller level unprepared.......CJ appeared to just make a random decision where to run the ball at the handoff rather than know the play call, read the defense and know ahead of time where the hole should be.   He was a complete dunce.   Fred Jackson was the opposite and that made him a decisive runner.    Cook's game is speed/quickness and not a lot else.   Lousy in pass pro too.     

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  9. 15 hours ago, wppete said:

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    I highly doubt this is the way he will be beating Sauce Gardner.........if he ever does.   Sauce is a leaper,  has a longer frame and is much quicker/faster than Keon.   He will have to out physical a guy like Gardner.    I like the Davante Adams comp as a ceiling for Coleman but there is a lot of nuance to attain to get to that point.   

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  10. 1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

    Let's hope that all of this charisma translates to the field more than it did at FSU.  

     

    Oliver's very similar in that regard, a character, and he hasn't lived up to his draft status.  

     

     

     

     

    Yeah these 1st rounders are usually engaging/endearing with their attitude when they arrive.   But as they fail to reach expectations they talk to the media less and blend back into the woodwork.     Oliver, Rousseau, Elam.........people were gushing about these guys.   Ed started getting chatty again once his play improved and he got extended.   Hopefully Rousseau and Elam break out this year and get back to being those engaging personalities with feel-good stories they were right after the draft.

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  11. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

    Bills haven’t had a true deep threat since 2019 and part of 2020. 
     

    Actions speak loud.

     

     

    That's not really the case.......Gabe Davis was one of the league's most effective deep threats since he came into the league.   His air yards per target and yards per catch were massive and it lead to impressive TD stats.

     

    He just didn't offer anything else so defense's adjusted and the Bills gradually got diminishing returns from his role in the passing game.  

  12. 36 minutes ago, NewEra said:

    No, but Kincaid will

     

     

    I can't see that happening.    I can see a team putting a good CB on him and calling it a win.   That shuts down most TE's if teams are so unthreatened by your WR that they can afford to do that.   First time I really saw it was Wade putting Antoine Winfield on Tony Gonzales and shutting him down.   The tactic basically ruined Jimmy Grahams career when he went to Seattle and all they had were guys like Baldwin and Kearse outside.    Kelce was a real exception as a guy who isn't very impactful inline but still tears up whoever he gets in coverage.   Not sure Kincaid is going to become as much of a physical presence as Kelce.   He's pretty finesse.  

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  13. 4 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

    I wanted multiple WRs in this draft more than anyone. And I wanted explosive WRs like Franklin and Tez Walker (both could’ve had round 3) BUT I do have optimism in KJ Hamler. He’s a guy I liked coming out of Penn state. I know he had the health issues that Denver parted ways with him on but he’s only 24 with electric speed who will finally have a legit QB throwing him the ball. I’m hoping he’s the vertical threat we need since there really isn’t anyone else available to fill that roll

     

     

    The Bills appear to be holding their breath that this is the case.

     

    Hopefully they are bluffing and acquire DK Metcalf in June and we can stop this KJ Hamler/Andy Isabella nonsense.

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    Beane is gradually getting better at not wasting draft capital on RB's.   Hopefully next time it will be a 5th rounder, then the next a 6th etc..

     

    I think Davis is more than capable of being good in a Josh Allen offense that leaves defense's susceptible to the run.   Wouldn't be a stretch for him to be better than James Cook whose instincts, toughness and hands leave a lot to be desired.

     

    But generally speaking these guys like Davis with 700-800 touches already coming into the league tend to be due for injury problems due to wear and tear.   See Breece Hall and Etienne for higher profile recent picks who immediately blew a tire after heavy-use NCAAF careers.  

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  15. 14 hours ago, DJB said:

     

     

    We still need a deep threat though otherwise opposing defenses will continue to just press us and the safeties will move in towards the line of scrimmage and shorten the field. 

     

     

     

    Yeah the upside is that he's built for playoff football (like Rashee Rice) and is young and athletic so he has a lot of room to improve.

     

    The downside is that he is raw as hell and not exceptionally fast.

     

    I heard a Davante Adams comp to Coleman a while back...........and that kinda' resonated with me.

     

    Adams isn't really fast but is a tremendously smooth, physical athlete with great hands and leaping ability like Coleman.

     

    Adams really struggled his first 2 seasons.......despite immense success in college and playing with an All Pro QB in Aaron Rodgers.

     

    Wouldn't surprise me if it took Coleman a few years to translate his skills into being able to get open at the NFL level.

     

    I could easily see him having a longer career and play better than a number of the guys drafted before him but I could also see him looking like a bust compared to them early on.

     

    And that's the tough part.........they need him to perform NOW.    Hopefully Brady can unlock him early in his career.   Maybe play mostly condensed sets like the Rams did with Nacua last year so the X is basically almost a slot receiver.  Manufacture some easy-open throws and RAC yards etc..    If they just line him up outside and hope he wins I expect it could be a long wait for that to happen. 

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  16. 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

     

     

     

    So we had agreed that the Bills passing game was not good enough in 2023 and running the ball 9.2 times per game was putting hard miles on Josh Allen........and now we are hoping they get back to "not good enough".

     

    And ignoring the fact that the NFL is a matchup league.

     

    "Yeah,  we don't need Ted Washington in the middle........we can just stop the run with numbers!"

     

    That lasted about 2 quarters into game one of the Gregg Williams regime before it became obvious that they had made a serious mistake in judgement going into the season with that "aggregate" mindset in a matchup league.

     

    Who in this re-aligned Bills receiving corps is beating a good CB1?    I saw someone photoshop Sauce Gardner into that pic of Keon Coleman making the one-handed grab against Syracuse.   Yeah, that ain't happening in real life.   That means the defense can then double whoever the Bills view as WR1.   But they won't need to because the Bills don't have one of those.  

     

    You aren't beating the defense with numbers........it's still 11 on 11.  You gotta' win matchups.

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  17. 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

    Supposedly Steelers talked to Seattle about Metcalf and they were told a trade would need to happen post June 1 per Ben Allbright.

     

    Also rumored KC called about Metcalf during the draft

     

    BEANE!?  Please???? GET DK METCALF

     

     

     

     

    I would hope that Beane would be all over DK Metcalf if he were available in June.

     

    But I think they might be bought into a "rebuild" for 2025 mode and cling to all of their draft capital.

     

    I remember entering the 2007 offseason there was real hype building with media talking heads and Bills fans about how the Bills were putting together a young team that could soon challenge the Patriots.    Fans were really in on Dick Jauron and drinking he and Marv's Kool aid.   It was seen as OK that they let Nate Clements leave in UFA without using the franchise tag because they were getting their guys and getting younger.

     

    Then the Patriots traded a 4th round pick for Randy Moss........and proceeded to create MASSIVE distance between them and the Bills.   They literally scored 8 straight TD's in the game at Buffalo that season as they went f*cking 16-0 with the highest scoring offense in NFL history.   Moss tore Jauron's asssup for 3 years until he was rightfully sh!tcanned.

     

    The moral of the story is that only a fool would expect that the championship team that you have been chasing will get complacent or be conservative and get themselves caught.  

     

    No team has won 3 straight Super Bowls.   The Chiefs KNOW that it will be harder to get this 3rd one and they may well just go to excess to create separation between them and opponents.

     

    The Bills should be in on a difference maker like Metcalf.   He's not going to bring a 1st round return............so don't NOT get DK Metcalf just so you can get a shot on next years Cole Bishop.   

     

     

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  18. 2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

     

    No more confident than I felt about Gabe Davis last year after Beane elected not to sign Hopkins. Well that's not entirely true, I am more confident in Shakir than I was in Davis. But just because Beane chooses to elevate a player's role on the depth chart doesn't mean I inherently trust that he's correct.

     

     

    Yeah, last offseason when people were talking up the acquisitions of Sherfield and Harty like Beane had found a couple gems..........they didn't like it when I pointed out that they hadn't produced for sh!t in their relatively long NFL careers and were unlikely to even produce as much as departing bums Crowder/McKenzie(and indeed, those two stiffs did put up a few more combined receiving yards than Sherf+Sharty:lol:).

     

     Fans just assumed Sherf/Sharty would be better with the Bills.

     

      Truer to form.......they were not.

     

    There is a little of that going on here again.

     

    Curtis Samuel has the most yards receiving in one NFL season of any receiver on the roster with 851 four seasons ago in 2020.  

     

     If that remains the case it's the first time since 1987 that they will have taken a receiving corps into a season without at least one receiver who had produced at least one 900 yard season in their career.

     

    Prior to that 1987 season you gotta' go back at least into the 1970's or 1960's.

     

    I mean this is a REALLY unproven WR corps.

     

    It is a big ask to basically expect everybody to play better than the year before......and in the process have the best year of their career to date.    

     

     

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