Ronin

Good post Shaw, thanks for some intelligent discussion. I didn't read most of the other posts, most offer absolutely no evidence of anything except for conjecture, exceptions, and view the entire matter as none of any of the current passing set-up falling onto Allen himself, so I can't comment on those. As to Newton, for sure he's not a franchise QB. After that, whether he's a "failure" or not is in the eyes of the beholder. As a franchise QB he's a failure. Is he a failure otherwise? I guess that would depend upon the definition of failure. But what you said about him is true. Implied is that he's an average passer at best. Fact is that he's posted one above-average passing season, the rest are mediocre, tops collectively. In 7 other seasons he's posted an average number of passing TDs about half the time and a below-average number half the time. For some reason Allen supporters love to cite Newton in comparison, presumably because of his rushing production, which if anything should be a clear indicator that rushing production from a QB has a limited value. If you want rushing get a RB. I mean isn't that what RBs are for? If you have a good RB then why the need or benefit of having your QB rush to the tune of 700 +/- yards/season. Makes no sense. Rushing wasn't a problem for us in '17. Either way, as you say, and despite all of that rushing production, "he hasn't won anything" and "he accomplishes very little in the passing game," which is obviously where things are in the NFL these days, the passing game. Defense no longer wins championships, passing does particularly and offense generally. ... except in a drone exception of a game in which a novice QB choked and an aging QB wasn't as good as he's been. The fact remains however that in college Newton was a much more polished passer than Allen's ever been. He’ll likely never become a successful thrower at this point tho. He may post another above-averge season or two, but there's no reason to expect much else than what he's done. So however that translates ... As to the OL that you brought up, many here likes to arbitrarily blame everything but Allen, tops among which is the pass-pro OL, but the reality is that we did not have the worst pass-pro OL last season. As has been pointed out, Allen had more time-to-throw according to NFL.com’s Next Gen Stats than any other QB, and by a statistical country mile. Granted, some of that hinged on his ability as a scrambler, but we also can not then turn around and suggest that on average he bought himself the kind of time that’s the difference between being first and last in that ranking. Any rational person would agree with that. Also, while the OL was far from good, and I’m one of its biggest critics, according to PFF at the end of the season they ranked 27th with the following teams behind them: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17 Cincinnati, Oakland, Minnesota, the Chargers, Miami, & Minnesota. Yet, every one of those QBs played better on average passing than Allen did with the exception of Rosen who played similarly in the passing department. Everyone’s all over him BTW already pre-annointing him a bust as one of the highly touted pre-Draft rookies last season, FWIW. Even Carr, Tannehill, and Driskel, a former 6th-round pick who hadn’t played a single snap played better on average. Cousins, despite taking heat pitched 30 TDs to half as many INTs and put up above-average numbers. We’d expect Rivers and Dalton to play much better despite the fact that Dalton’s no franchise QB either. So while yes, he does need a better OL, given his scrambling ability, the fact that lesser mobile QBs that aren’t very good otherwise, Tannehill & Driskel in particular the latter, played better behind worse (or at least comparable) OLs, is definitely something that’s worthy of consideration in a full assessment of the situation. The thing that I really found interesting and want to discuss is what you said here; Where I disagree is where you say or imply that Allen has some major problems to solve. I don't think he does; I just think he has to change the way he plays. He wasn't bad at throwing short balls (yes, he had some misses, more than he should); he was bad at deciding to throw short. He regularly took the deep option. That's why he led the league in air yards, and by a lot. 11 yards per throw, average, 50% higher than the league average. The Bills have been clear that they want him to take the shorter, easier throws. That's not a mechanical problem to fix; that's just getting him to understand what succeeds in the league. I don't think that's a tall order, as you call it. I think it's about getting him focused. He's smart, he's coachable, he wants to win. I think we will see a big change in him this season. You’re right, he wasn’t “bad” at throwing short balls. He was bad at choosing to throw short. But that’s been the knock on him since at Wyoming. In fact, here’s what Derrik Klassen of Football Outsiders said pre-Draft about Allen, which IMO is spot-on; The conundrum with Allen is that these flashes -- the moments of pure brilliance -- come so few and far between. Allen dazzles once or twice a game with a play that feels impossible, only to look like a late-round pick for the remainder of his appearance. It’s a great piece and the best I read on Allen. But that's a huge part of his problem, he constantly look to make those types of plays, which is tantamount to trying to sprint to victory in a marathon when the obvious strategy is a consistent steady pace, the QB equivalent of a great short-medium game. I think that it’s a taller order than you suggest, which appears to be the crux of our disagreement here. As you said, it’s not necessarily the mechanics of Allen’s short throws that are problematic, at least not to that extent given that he could definitely polish those. What the core problem is, is recognizing that there is a receiver, RB, TE, WR being irrelevant, open in the flats, on the wings, OTM short, etc., whereby if he passed to them the play might gain 15, 20, or 30 yards, … hell, even 7 is typically great. This is why the Beasley signing will be mitigated in terms of potential effectiveness. But while we’re staring at the TV seeing it, he clearly doesn’t, and if you follow his head, he locks onto his primary target and typically goes with that throw, hence his low completion % and high number of INT rate, 2nd in the league and second only to Fitzpatrick, but wit Fitz having well over twice the TD rate. So the issue is this, and you brought up a fantastic point particularly, that they need to get into his head and convince him to do what he has not been doing, ever. Years of patterned/programmed behavior must be altered. As a case-in-point, we tried that with Bledsoe, remember? Remember the timers and buzzers and all that nonsense to attempt to get him to throw more quickly? Did it work? No, not even remotely. Bledsoe was a seasoned passer who also wasn’t good at reading Ds, but he was substantially better than Allen at it. So whether or not that’s easy to correct is debatable I suppose, it’s difficult if not impossible to find data on such things, but the reality is that coaching can only do so much. But for a QB that’s used to doing that and relying on his athleticism and arm-strength, surely McBeane knew what they were up against when the drafted him. This is why many, including myself, stated that if he was to become a franchise QB it was going to be project. Unfortunately, McBeane's careers hinge upon Allen's success, directly and likely exclusively. They won't have five or six seasons to see the project thru. I posted this in another post to someone criticizing on that merit but who didn’t bother to answer the question, but I’ll pose it again, verbatim as I had it. Allen's either going to correct himself or he isn't. I'd love for Allen to work out, but I have yet to see a QB that lacks a short-medium prowess to such an extent correct it in the NFL to the extent that they become a franchise QB. It's a tall order. Can you name one? That question is open for anyone to answer. Problem is that there is no answer. I’m not a fan, at all, of having to forge historically “new territory” in order for stated goals to occur. Why there isn't an answer is telling. Also, consider what you said about him preferring to go deep, which is no secret. He did that, and with reasonable success as you implied. Yet, what did it net us? Not much in terms of wins. I point this out because any seasoned football analyst fully understands that deep-balls are a very minor aspect of a franchise QB’s game, a nicety but hardly a requisite. There are so few deep ball TDs on any given team that they aren’t significant in terms of winning regularly enough to qualify a team as being playoff competitive on that merit alone. Not even close. We won all of our games on the merits of defense, and against teams none of which were playoff teams and all teams ranking 19th or worse, most much worse, than 19th in scoring. We held five of those six teams to 17 or fewer, the other, Jax, to 21, all below-average scoring. The only game in which it could be reasonably argued that Allen contributed with his "deep game" was Jax and that long throw to Foster where the FS botched the coverage leaving Foster open. Otherwise the deepest in those five other wins, and besides the fact that three of the six total were in the two Miami games, was 26 yards. Case in point, pick any franchise QB and look at their TD pass distances. Let’s take a historically prolific one from this past season, Mahomes. He’s got arm strength too, maybe not as good as Allen’s, but very good. How many of his TDs were deep? He had probably more than any QB, percentage-wise, yet he only had 9 of 50, 18%, more than 30 yards. And that includes YAC rendering that number notably lower, particularly given that they had Hill. I didn’t look at the spot of catch for all 9 but obviously all weren't deep throws. Here’s the thing tho, of his 50, 35, 70%, were from within the Red Zone. The rest were total yards in the 20’s. Franchise QBs absolutely have to be proficient in the Red Zone, and Allen was bottom-dwelling in the RZ last season. We cannot blame that on him “looking deep,” right, since “deep” doesn’t exist in the RZ, or frankly, even much into opponent territory, let’s say within the 30 anyway. Right? Here’s another data point that the forum isn’t going to like, … they don’t like data that conflicts with the sunshine/unicorns/lollipops narratives and superficial data that starts threads, but Kizer last season was more efficient in the Red Zone than Allen was this season, both as rookies, both on teams that no one can say Cleveland had more weapons/tools for Kizer. I won’t dwell on the fact that of Allen’s 4 RZ TDs, three were against Miami, two of the four being in that last game essentially doubling his RZ “efficiency” in that single game alone. Allen had 4 RZ TDs and 5 1st-downs in 26 passes. Rates of 15.4%, 19.2%, and 34.5% total between the two. Kizer had 8 RZ TDs and 8 1st-downs in 40 passes. Rates of 20.0%, 20.0%, and 40.0% total. Kizer also only took 2 sacks in 42 dropbacks (4.8%) contrasted with Allen’s 3 in 29. (10.3%) Those are indicative of something. What it is can be discussed, but it is relevant, particularly when connected to all the other stuff. Kizer had a “big arm” too, one that “could make all the throws.” Here’s his weaknesses from his draft profile tho, ask yourself how many of the same flaws Allen possesses, I’ll highlight the ones that I see. WEAKNESSES Gets stuck on primary read missing out on early openers around field. May not have eyes or compact release to spot and hit flashing targets. Can be too reliant upon arm strength over mechanics. Wants open throwing window rather than operating with early anticipation. Can improve in leading receivers and throwing stationary targets open. Too hesitant. Gets caught in pump fake vortex at times. Quick to drop his eyes and halt progressions when pocket warms up. Inconsistent decision-maker. Showed dreadful lapses in judgement that lead to interceptions. Too willing to make off-balanced heaves. Benched against Stanford. Had at least one interception in 15 of his 23 starts. Will take a sack despite having ample time to read and throw. As a secondary point-of-note, Allen’s INT% was not significantly lower than Kizer’s. Kizer’s was at 4.6%, DFL last season. Allen’s was 3.8% this season, 2nd-to-DFL behind only the aforementioned Fitzpatrick. In 2017 only two other qualifying QBs had a rate of 3.8% or worse; Brett Hundley and Trevor Simean, former 5th and 7th round picks. That’s all very relevant, particularly when we note that Allen nearly had a bunch more INTs that were dropped by defenders. So, to sum up, this has almost nothing to do with whether Allen’s capable of throwing a 9 yard-pass to a RB or a 14-yard in-the-air pass to another player in the flat, rather, it has everything to do with reading Ds, seeing where the yards on a given play are going to come from, denying the instinct to “go deep” or scramble while attempting to make the big play deep. Again, we've seen him make those short throws, what we haven't seen him do is scan the entire field looking for where he's going to get the most yards, not even close. It’s all about discipline and settling down and doing what Allen’s never done before. That’s a tall order. Is it possible? Sure, it’s also possible that Kizer or Rosen revive their careers and become franchise QBs. Lots of things are possible. It’s possible that Gore and Shady both rush for 1,000 yards on 5.0 ypc this season. None of that is likely, including Allen changing all of that quickly. Again, remember Bledsoe and how they couldn’t get him to correct one simple little thing, namely getting rid of the ball. So we’ll see. I’m not optimistic. Of course like everyone else I’d love for it to happen, believe me. It’s a whole lotta things to correct. But here’s the thing, is getting deep-WRs like Brown going to help? … apart from the fact that IMO Brown’s massively overrated. What I see is the staff catering to Allen’s deep-arm. Is that the solution? Seems to me that the solution would be to immerse him in what the problem is and force him to correct it. It’s like an addict, which is what he is, he’s addicted to the deep ball, as long as that temptation is there, I don’t see him significantly changing his ways. If they're smart they'll grab a couple of OTs in rounds 1 & 2 of the draft in order to give Allen every opportunity to have plenty of time to think a little bit, which he's going to need, more so than any other QB, if he's going to improve in that way. Either way, if it is going to be corrected they’re going to have to get into his head and try to do similar things that the then coaching staff attempted to do with Bledsoe yet were unable to do. In terms of identifying the odds of it happening, I will continue to defer to the historical fact, at least in the modern realm of the NFL’s passing era, that no QB that came into the NFL with significant flaws and shortcomings in the short-medium game as such ever went on to become a franchise QB. If Allen does that he’ll be the first. If the staff can correct that, they’ll be the first. You think that’s likely? I don’t. Whether or not we’d like for it to happen doesn’t make one bit of difference. Of course we all would.

No, I don't think that you do get it. I love Allen, he's got quite a few intangible rare assets. I can't even begin to tell how badly I hope he works out. Here's where almost everyone else doesn't get it, despite the fact that I've posted this probably 20 times and I know as a fact that most of the people having tantrums related to my direct responses, TO THEIRS, have read it before. But there isn't a QB in the league in recent history that has become a franchise QB w/o having perfected his short-medium game. That's a verifiable fact. Yet, that's Allen's single biggest weakness and in spades. Getting him "deep threat options" doesn't help that, at all. If he doesn't learn to find and hit receivers, like Beasley as a case-in-point, as well as RBs that are open, he will never become a franchise QB, ever. He can run all he wants. Rushing won't contribute to his franchise status at all, it'll only shorten his career. As to not being on board, frankly, it doesn't matter who's on board or who isn't. Myself, you, or anyone else. Allen's either going to correct himself or he isn't. I'd love for Allen to work out, but I have yet to see a QB that lacks a short-medium prowess to such an extent correct it in the NFL to the extent that they become a franchise QB. It's a tall order. Can you name one? Everyone here seems to think, based on their own statements, that few if any of Allen's issues fall back onto him. That's my only point of disagreement. That's an absurd proposition but the most popular one by a country mile. I'd love to discuss that.

LOL And all I did was shed some light on some of the key differences. All I did was post the numbers. Otherwise I'm simply reacting to the posts off of that. Meanwhile, I haven't heard anyone say that Red Zone performance is key and that data is troubling, or that Wentz' far greater consistency, which is obvious except to those blinded with whatever it is they're blinded by that disenables them to see the reality therein. All I see is excuses, except of course that Allen has anything whatsoever to do with his own passing prowess. So I get it, you and everyone else seems to think that how a QB performs in the Red Zone is meaningless. I do get it, I really do. . To me that's what's insane. But hey, everyone's entitled to believe what they want. Funny thing is that everyone opining as such will likely support the narrative about what a great job McBeane are doing correcting the O in FAcy, without considering that they made quite a few moves last season too that simply didn't work out. But hey, John Brown's our solution. So we''re all set then, one or two linemen, Gore and Shady, we're good to go and off to the races. You really believe that?

So you're on record saying that Jordan Matthews is what, a top-rated impact WR then? Help me out here.

So please, for me, factor in two things. First, that Allen often missed wide open receivers, so much so that on replays you could actually see the visible frustrations on the receivers' parts. This was a frequent occurrence and something admitted to by McD even. Secondly, please reconcile Allen's league-leading time-to-throw of 3.22 seconds, which is enormous, against the backdrop of what you just said. I'll respond to that, nothing else. Funny how everyone just thinks what they want to think and sucks up all the rainbows and unicorns narratives despite the flaws.

Really? Jones, McCoy, Foster,, Benjamin, Croom, Clay, McKenzie, Ivory, and Holmes. Almost all of whom underachieved in their receiving games from their annual averages. Of course that couldn't have had anything to do with the QB play, despite the notion that I've already proven that our secondary receiver like RBs caught more passes on average for more yards without Allen under Center. But that's irrelevant, right? Allen had more time-to-throw. Does that factor in? Allow me to ask tho, does ANY of this fall onto Allen as you see it? Based on everything I'm reading here Allen's poop doesn't stink in the overall analysis.

OK, if you say so. As I see it Matthews is and always has been a very average 2/3 WR, little else. Ertz for cryin' out loud is a TE and their leading WR that season with 800-some yards and a mere 4 TDs. It's funny, when the narrative fits Foster's on the cusp of being elite, Jones is great but takes a few seasons to develop, and Benjamin, whose career trajectory has been better than Matthews is irrelevant. LOL Now we have Brown, so the problem's been resolved.

Lazy .... LOL How many passes did Peters and Kelce make? Sproles was a RB, Allen doesn't utilize RBs in the passing game, that's part of the major issue here. If he had he would have made more than 38 passes, or fewer than 4/game to them. In other old hate news, Allen had more Time-to-Throw, which is a measure of how quickly a passer releases a pass, than ANY other QB in the entire league, by a country mile relatively speaking, according to NFL.com's Next Gen Stats. You did know that after looking at that and consider that, right? Right? Additionally, despite the narrative Allen was around average in protection time by the line. So this notion that he had the worst pass-proteting line in the league or even close is also a false narrative. Queue the excuses. Anything else? Just throwin' some additional info out there. Everyone seems to think that it's irrelevant. So be it. It's hardly for me to decide for everyone. I would suggest that an astute observer that wasn't more concerned about laying out excuses to justify his opinion should and would be highly concerned about that data. As you were.

Sure, if you can find two against a singular opponent. But hey, since it's probably too much for you to do I'll take 30 seconds to do it for you. Here are the numbers with his two best games removed, neither against a divisional opponent and both against playoff teams one of which lost to NE in the CCG: .. 12 TDS, 13 INTs, all of the other data remains relatively the same. In short narly 1 TD/game to Allen's 1/2 TD/game.

LMAO As if his post, the one I was responding to was either mature or civil. ... much less logical or made any sense whatsoever. As they say, don't show up to a gun fight with a knife, much less water pistol.

Well, there are a number of responses to that. Given that the point is to take heat off of Allen, I'd say that it's certainly signiificant. Either way, having a couple of defunct aging/aged RBs back there certainly isn't going to help. We'll have easily the oldest RBs in the league by a country mile. So, to address your statement, I guess it depends upon the extent to which one thinks/believes that having a good offensive backfield is key. There seems to be a lot of support for that notion in this forum however. What can be said about all four conference championship teams is that they had good receiving production out of the backfield. NE with White, NO with Kamara, KC with Hunt before he got booted, not so much after that, and LA with Gurley. So to that extent I'd suggest that it's important. If Having said that, Allen only threw 22 passes to McCoy last season in 12 games. Not even 2/game. To add some additional perspective, McCoy caught 12 other passes in four games, 3/game. Ivory was the next leading receiver out of the backfield with only 6 catches from Allen, a half-a-catch/game. Perspective: He had 7 catches in the other 4 games, nearly 2/game. The only other significant, if it even is significant, RB to catch passes from Allen was Murphy with 10 catches. Which brings up a good point. Allen needs to hone his short-medium game more than anything. Yet all we hear is about how he needs deep-receivers. If the coaching staff doesn't focus on his short-medium passing game they're screwing themselves, Allen, and us as fans. Allen's going nowhere as a franchise QB if he cannot improve his short-medium game by leaps and bounds. He's nowhere near even average much less getting a sniff of franchise territory at the moment. I don't see how more deep WRs help him in that way, or the team. No team wins games consistently on the merits of their deep game. Either way, that strategy is flawed and 38 passes to RBs at a rate of fewer than 4/game, given the methodologies by which teams win these days, namely passing, largely short-medium which includes optimizing use of their offensive backfields, we're not close. Last season was McCoy's second-worst ever in terms of receiving yardage, and one of only three seasons with 0 receiving TDs, the first having been his rookie season. That's not good. Side note: Not one of our RBs caught a TD pass last season. Out tackles (Dawkins) had more TD passes. You make a good point, I didn't look at Gore's contract, but it can't be huge and depending upon the draft perhaps they can release him in favor of a good day-3 draft pick. Good RBs can be found early on day-3. Particularly role-playing RBs that can catch but don't necessarily have the rushing skills. Still, if Allen can't adjust his game to make use of those skills, ... At some point it's all going to fall on Allen and whether or not he can tweak his passing game to force an enormous uptick in his short-medium game.

BWAHAHAHA.... WTH are you talking about then? Gore making the hall-of-fame? ROFLMAO Jerry Rice is IN the HoF, so lets sign him too. Makes as much sense as defending as impactful a player that's averaged 3.9 yards-per-carry over his last four seasons, a mere 3 rushing TDs/season, and one that's going to be in unprecedented age territory for a RB at 36 this season. LOL

Come on now, you're not playing the narrative game properly here.

Looks good at the surface, doesn't it. Here's some additional info however. Allen put up half of his TDs in two games against a divisional opponent, he was pretty bad otherwise. You can look at the game logs. Miami was that team. A tale of two QBs in terms of passing. Very good rookie numbers in two games against Miami. 75 YPG less passing on average in the other 10 games, only 5 TDs to 9 INTs in the other ten games, which compares poorly to Wentz. Only 4 of Allen's 10 TDs (40%) were in the Red Zone. Three of those four were vs. Miami, only 1 RZ TD otherwise. 12 of Wentz's 16 (75%) were in the Red Zone. Wentz gave up 3 sacks in 89 attempts in the Red Zone. Allen gave up 3 sacks in 29 attempts. Bledsoe territory. Wentz Yards-per-Game 236 Allen Yards-per-Game 173, ... 162 YPG in ten games not vs. Miami Overall Wentz had 33 sacks on 640 dropbacks. (5.2%) Allen had 28 sacks on 348 dropbacks. (8.0%) Bledsoe career: 6.4%, w/ Bills 8.4%. That's problematic for a QB that's so mobile, big, strong, and athletic. Wentz was a lot more consistent in his play in his rookie season. Allen had no consistency in his passing game other than to say he was consistent against Miami. Keep in mind that Wentz had absolutely none of Allen's mobility or rushing ability and a fraction of his athleticism. FWIW

Did you look to find out? If you'd have bet that you'd have lost. Ertz, a TE, was his top receiver. Jordan Matthews was his only other WR worthy of note. All in all Allen had more options.

0 Rushing TDs last season. In three seasons prior to last season in Indy he averaged 3.8 yards-per-carry never even breaking 4.0, which is bottom-dwelling. The odds that we end up with that rather than an odd season in which he overachieved are significantly greater. The other two RBs in Miami last season averaged 4.7 yards-per-carry between them. It's quite possible that Miami had a very good rushing OL. We do not and our only hot OL signing, Morse, is not known for good run blocking.

Brown would have been a disaster for Allen. That's about the last thing that Allen needs right now. I'm curious why Beane was even talking to them. What happened to this team player thing that they've been preaching. Brown's about as egotistical as they make 'em in the NFL. I wouldn't bet yesterday's lunch that there's harmony in Oakland this season.

BTW there Mr. Statistics, I noticed that you completely ignored the actual data. I find that to be interesting. And STILL no statistics or actual data from you much less even a sniff of a tenable statistical analysis. "Show me your data sets." LMAO If you have an advanced degree in statistics then you got ripped off. Those are questions for you since you're the one attempting to make the positive argument. I'm not the one suggesting that a 36-year old RB that's already in record-breaking territory for longetivity is going to be an upgrade. The onus befalls you to explain why an exception will A, continue as such, and B, why factors present last season for him that wouldn't have been in Buffalo, are all of a sudden irrelevant. I'm not arguing those things. Good bye!

The only reason why I'm responding to you here is because the only data that Thurman "gave me," was the game-log data for Lotulolei along with a bunch of irrelvant data otherwise. Didn't you look at it and figure it out? I saw it even before he posted it. It still doesn't address what he said was BS, namely that Lotulolei played fewer than 50% of the defensive snaps last season, logged ZERO sacks, had 0 QB Hits. He disagreed with that. Which BTW were all WAY BELOW HIS SEASON AVERAGES, ... AS I ALSO POINTED OUT. He said it was BS. OK, not sure what to say about that. The data can be found anywhere, it's a simple matter of public record easily available in seconds via a simple internet search. Sounds like an area that he struggles with. So come on there Mr. Statistics, address those? Forget the nonsense that he posted which is little more than a red-herring accompanied by opinionated drivel. Now, if I don't see some numbers addressing this stuff in your next post I'm not even going to bother wasting my time responding. I have no idea why I'm seeing your stuff, you're on my ignore list. Go ask the site admins. That's not my strength.

Graduate degree and significant research in statistics, six-sigma, statistical process control, queueing theory. Funny tho, for someone with such an extensive background, you don't cite any stats, you just talk. If you do that daily at your job must be politics. I cited some stats and you and the other two have merely argued. Not one of you has provided any contrary data, and while insisting that I'm wrong you have not even bothered to tell me which of the stats I cited, which are all from reputable sources and agree with multiple sources. Is that your idea of using statistics to prove a point? Not actually citing any, merely complaining about some that someone else puts forth? Really? I can go back and relist all of your posts, there's almost nothing, if anything, statistical/objective/quantitative about them. Including this one. It doesn't take a degree in statistics, math, or even a degree at all to see the flaw with that approach. And middle-school student can see that. I would highly suggest a remedial course in simple research however. Just sayin' there cowboy!

Oooh, data. LOL Now, here's a fun exercise for you. What was his ypc average in the three seasons prior to that with nearly 800 carries? How does that compare to the average NFL ypc average for RBs? Based on that information, do you expect his ypc avg this year to be greater than last year's or less than last year's? Come on, you can do it!

LOL You have yet to provide any data. And what, you're incapable of looking things up yourself? LMAO Never any lack of humor here. Not sure why I'm still getting notifications about you, but I won't respond in the future. There's nothing to discuss. You're right, everyone else is wrong despite what they present as evidence despite the fact that you provide absolutely nothing but narrative and opinion,half the time those not even aligning.

It's highly unusual for RBs over 30 to put up big numbers. It's folly to rely on 31 and 36-year old RBs. A band-aid fix at best, absolutely nothing going forward.

Well, you've said two different things there. If we bring in more RBs then I wouldn't say that they have all that much confidence in what's here. BTW, seems like they said the same thing last season about Ivory, he's gone now. Otherwise, sorry, I didn't realize that if he was productive in Miami last year that he was a shoe-in to duplicate that performance here at the age of 36 behind an OL that frankly is only marginally better than the one you said was one of our worst run-blocking units in Bills history. We'll see. But I wouldn't bet much that Gore will average 4.6 ypc again, he averaged 3.8 in the three seasons prior to last year. That's not lining up for better here.

Just so you guys realize, I'm going to put all three of ya on ignore to smooth out my days.