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Lewis - Now 0-7 and possibly might get fired. O'Brien - team annihilated in the playoffs. Now 0-1 in playoffs as HC. Rex Ryan has still accomplished more than either of those two. Our future looks pretty good.

Exactly...and lets day Porter even did say something stupid - Porter is a Coach and you are a player. You're about 20 seconds from winning a playoff game and you decide to lose your mind over WORDS? No impulse control on some of these clowns. None. If they weren't playing football they'd be out on the street robbing your house. Bunch of degenerates.

LOL. You have no idea how much I was praying that he was not touched. I would have lost it laughing. I have absolutely no room in my heart for selfish, stupid, dirty players. None.

screw the bengals and their roster of degenerates. burfict running into the tunnel after the INT. he should've never come back out. what a clown. I don't want to see a group of criminals in the playoffs. let them go back home and pursue more of their delinquent activities. Marvin Lewis - coach of the year.

Hahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!! I read on this messageboard how marvin lewis was just as good a HC as rex Ryan or better LEWIS: 0-7 playoff record with pro bowl rosters year after year. Rex: 4-2 with Sanchez at QB. BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAASSHAHS LEWIS

Yup. Pretty much. If anything he deserved a penalty for unsportsman like conduct more than unnecessary roughness.

LOL

And rex has made the playoffs too. And actually won. Stating that O'Brien is just as good a coach as Rex is not being fair to what Rex has accomplished in the NFL - hell of a lot more than Obrien

I read on this board how no rational person would say O'brien was any less of a HC than rex ryan. He really got his team up for this game

LMFAO. No comment. Go back and compare the numbers I listed in the other thread regarding TT. His TD/INT ratio; Completion %; YPA; and QBR were the best among any QB we've had since Kelly. Only Trent Edwards (ironically enough) beat TT in any one of those categories in a given year - and that was in completion %

No comment.

Haha..not funny at all. I saw my post on there and I definitely expected a decrease in sacks; didn't anticipate such a drastic drop off though.

I just think different things are being argued or maybe I misread the article, but I thought that ranking was for QB's this year, and not QB's going forward. The article isn't coming up for me right now but if it's for rankings this year, I don't know how anyone can say Flacco/Luck were better than TT this year. If we are discussing QB's going forward, than yes, I would not rank TT ahead of Flacco or Luck yet.

Wait so let me get this right: fitz is now a top 10 QB? But TT is not? And Luck was a top 10 qb? Missing half the season? And throwing INT's left and right. Flacco?

Yup, 100% agree. Wilson's baseball background definitely helps him with sliding..haha. Even though Wilson is also a tiny guy, he seems to have that uncanny ability to always avoid the big hit...to always slide on time...to always be shifty just at the right time. That type of awareness can't be taught. His agility is amazing and he has complete body control. I'm not sure TT is at that level but I think TT is smart enough to know when to not push it further on a play - when it comes to typical pocket injuries, that is ultimately up to fate to a certain extent.

Hard to argue against that.

Agreed. We would not have lost the Jax game at a minimum. Guaranteed. Might have changed dynamic of season. Oh well, who knows. I'm excited going forward however. Biggest worry with TT for me going forward will be injuries, not performance. He seems like a bright guy. He seems confident. He seems like he will continue to improve.

I've thought the exact same thing. Despite Rex's success with the Jets, I wonder if all the hoopla with him in the media (the foot fetish nonsense) and his time on hard knocks kind of discredited him a bit with players outside the Jets organization - specifically with players on a rival team like the Bills. This core group of Bills defensive players (MW, MD, Hughes, KW, etc) have all competed against Rex and the Jets as a division rival for a few years now...so part of me wonders whether or not they take him that seriously as a result (compared to a player that rarely played vs. Rex and was in another division etc., and was not caught up on all of the division rival nonsense that goes on). This is not to say that Bills players don't like Rex and that all defensive players on the Bills don't believe in Rex - but like you said, my concern would be with the veteran superstars that have been around the block already and may not be as open to Rex's motivation. We'll see. That angle, if true, makes me a little concerned.

You specifically mentioned coaching rankings and then threw out a list of coaches, stating that all of the coaches you listed are no less a quality of a HC than Rex is. You even stated "no fair-minded" person would think that. So you stated that all of those coaches are either equal to, or better than Rex. I consider myself a fair-minded person and I disagree. Within the last 6 years (which is very recent), Rex Ryan as a Head Coach has been in two AFC Championship games. He has a 4-2 playoff record, including a landmark victory over the Patriots in the playoffs - on the road. Now, lets look at the coaches you have listed (excluding Belichik, Tomlin, McCarthy): Gruden: No playoff victories. Hasn't achieved squat. Lewis: HC of one of the most talented rosters in the NFL over the last 2-3 years. 0-6 in the playoffs. Zero landmark victories. Rivera: 1-2 playoff record. O'Brien: No playoff victories. Hasn't achieved squat. So, as a fair-minded person, how can you fairly state that Gruden or O'Brien are "no less" the HC than Rex is? What parameters are you utilizing for that statement? And lets not even go back to what Rex accomplished as a coordinator for the Ravens where they finished top 5 in defense 3 out of the 4 years he was their defensive coordinator - including #1 overall; #2 overall; and #5 overall. Rex Ryan was able to take a Jets team to consecutive AFC Championship games on sheer will, because lord knows that roster was not littered with talent.

Seahawks stadium looks sick. I want ours to look much like that. Just looking at it I feel intimidated. Lmao

All i know is that if we play more than one team next year coming off their bye I'll lose it Next year's schedule is going to be brutal as it stands now. I mean matchups*

Yup. Looking back the season came down to not being able to beat the Jags. And not being able to take a single game from the Giants/Eagles/Skins. Our schedule next year looks brutal with the afc north, hawks, cardinals and panthers. Oh boy. Other than Belichick, Tomlin, McCarthy, what have the others achieved in the NFL that Rex hasnt? And we're not talking about Rex having success 20 yrs ago. Its still fairly recent. Be objective. Gruden Lewis Rivera Obrien have all been on the hot seat within the last few years. Thats how great they are..

WR can be shoved out of bounds. And completion % and TD/INT ratio are both still relevant. QBs arent completing 95% of their passes and not every QB that finishes a full season has a 3.33 TD/INT ratio.

I agree stats can definitely be misleading at times. Or they can be manipulated a bit. That being said i had no idea what to expect from TT going into this season and boy was I impressed.

Awesome. Thanks! And i understand how comparing different eras can be difficult. The point of the thread was not really to compare TT to Kelly but rather that i had to go back all the way to Kelly to find a Bills QB with comparable numbers. Even Bledsoe, a more recent QB, did not eclipse TT in any of those categories.