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So to elaborate, I went back and counted all the Games Started for each of the QB's above (since 2015 - with the exception of Dak obviously), and calculated their winning percentage over that stretch (in bold). As you can see, overall there is some slight correlation in that the upper portion of the group by and large has a winning % and the bottom portion has a losing %. There are outliers: Brees is an outlier in that his winning % is bad relative to his TD/Turnover ratio ranking; and Big Ben/Matt Ryan are outliers in that their winning percentage is good relative to their TD/Turnover ratios. Again, this list isn't ranking QB's in terms of how good they are overall. In no universe is TT better than Rodgers or Brees or Big Ben. The ratio simply looks at the QB position and assigns a number which puts into perspective how many total TD's the QB is directly responsible for relative to total turnovers (including fumbles). 1. Tom Brady - 5.7; .783 2. Dak - 4.6; .909 3. Tyrod - 3.33; .560 4. Russel Wilson - 2.94; .630 5. Rodgers - 2.82; .556 6. Brees - 2.71; .462 7. Cam - 2.63; .731 8. Alex Smith - 2.62; .692 9. Stafford - 2.48; .519 10. Cousins - 2.45; .556 11. Dalton - 2.39; .542 12. Carr - 2.25; .593 13. Palmer - 1.89; .615 14. Eli - 1.83; .519 15. Big Ben - 1.8; .619 16. Rivers - 1.73; .333 17. Mariota - 1.71; .375 18. Tannehill - 1.64; .481 19. M. Ryan - 1.62; .556 20. Luck - 1.46; .412 21. Fitz - 1.39; .480 22. Flacco - 1.15; .429

You are most likely correct. When i have time later Ill elaborate more on how i think the ratio may or may not be relevant.

HAHA. Thats not what that metric says at all. All it simply says is that for every 1.8 TD that Ben is involved in, hes also involved in 1 turnover. (Since last year at least) Actually i didnt fudge any numbers. And im not ranking QB by how GOOD they are. If i wanted to talk "scoring" i could simply repeat the following to you and shut you up: "QB of the 8th ranked scoring offense in the NFL". The end. Thats not what im doing here. I simply want to see how frequently a QB contributes to a TD compared to a turnover. Its a team game. If you turn the ball over you directly impact your probability of winning so it cant completely be ignored. That being said you also cant compare Brees to TT when it comes to sheer scoring. This metric isnt a zero sum scenario. At the end of the day a TD is a TD is a TD and a Turnover is what it is. When Tyrod runs it in should it not count? Panthers should trade cam then.

Another thing to with that grouping is that it dates back to last year (aside from Dak) thats why some QBs who you may logically think should be higher bc of this season are actually lower and vice versa.

HAHA. Seriously. It may be just as bad to be honest. No i got the idea from another thread where MajBobby was discussing TD/INT ratio. I just decided to include both rushing and passing TDs in addition to INT and fumbles lost. This is just one number and means very little by itself. Its not meant to rank QB's by how good they really are. Just looking at how often a QB is involved in a TD compared to how often they cough it up to the other team. Hard to say really. Its one of those things where numbers dont tell the whole story. Just having fun to see where certain QBs ranked in this manner. Theres definitely a slight correlation between the quality of QB at the top of that list compared to the quality at the bottom. Obviously with some outliers (like TT - hes obviously not at the same level as the QBs in that top 5)

I compiled the following. For people who like numbers like I do you may appreciate it. For those who dont you wont care. Stats are stats. Numbers are numbers. Wins trump all. But thats the fun of sports. Anyway here we go: Since 2015. For QBs. Instead of a simple TD/INT ratio i looked at TOTAL TD/TOTAL TURNOVER ratio which consists of passing and rushing TD and INT/fumbles lost for QBs. I also included Dak even though he didnt play last yr. Its a ratio and i figured 11 games was a decent sample size for Dak 1. Tom Brady - 5.7 2. Dak - 4.6 3. Tyrod - 3.33 4. Russel Wilson - 2.94 5. Rodgers - 2.82 6. Brees - 2.71 7. Cam - 2.63 8. Alex Smith - 2.62 9. Stafford - 2.48 10. Cousins - 2.45 11. Dalton - 2.39 12. Carr - 2.25 13. Palmer - 1.89 14. Eli - 1.83 15. Big Ben - 1.8 16. Rivers - 1.73 17. Mariota - 1.71 18. Tannehill - 1.64 19. M. Ryan - 1.62 20. Luck - 1.46 21. Fitz - 1.39 22. Flacco - 1.15 Tom Brady has contributed to 5.7x more TD than turnovers. That was actually a complete waste of my time. Cheers.

I get what youre saying man but acting like 12 fumbles is a lot its below avg compared to scrambling QBs. I get it though, it should be considered. We all know tyrod doesnt have a fumbling problem. We can debate pocket awareness but fumbling has not been a problem (knocking on all kinds of wood right now).

But isnt that what was being discussed? Mixed stats? Im trying to follow along.

You continue to demonstrate you have no objective clue what youre talking about. I actually thought you knew more than you do. Either that or youre so jaded by your view that you dont even realize what the F youre talking about. How many fumbles does russel wilson have? 13. Cam had a period where he had 14. RG3 had so many i lost count. Aaron Rodgers 15. Mariota 17. Etc etc etc I stopped counting.

1. His YPA from 2015-present is above 7.0.

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No they wont. If Giants fans can to this day argue as to how much Eli Manning sucks or doesnt suck, after 2 super bowl MVPs, there is absolutely zero hope here.

i need a drink

Agreed

Article from off season. https://www.google.com/amp/buffalonews.com/2016/02/05/250218/amp/

It was an interview with a Boston media source Apparently something he did weekly up there not sure if he still does this season.

I heard what Seattle said. What LA said. What Belichick has said. And what our own coaching staff has said.

No way he makes the jump that fast imo.

Thanks. I'm going to think of that every single time we play a home game now.

The same has been said of old some player in Pitt. 😁

Good point. Speaking of which the playcalling that game may have been the worst of Lynn's short career. It had no flow. Yup

I actually think the D will hold up. Our offense is going to dominate the TOP with close to 200yds team rushing yards. Bills 33 Raiders 28. And the Raiders will only make it close in the final few minutes.

I'm not saying it didn't have an impact BigCat, of course it did. But at the end of the day the Bills put up 25 points on the road against a Miami team that up to that point had been bad. I honestly think the offense can't be blamed for that loss. The ravens, yes. The dolphins, no. The dolphins had no business running the ball on us like they did. It is what it is, I feel that the defense and Rex will redeem themselves when the Fins come back to Buffalo.

I'm more concerned if our defense can keep Carr under 35 points. Hopefully the offense can win time of possession, or else I don't see the defense stepping up to their challenge. This is a team sport right?

20th highest paid QB leading an offense that ranks #8 in the NFL in points scored and #1 in fewest giveaways. Numbers add up to me.